Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

highdef · 20-01-2017 11:17AM

Water John wrote: »

The dog gets to pick the car you get. Smart dog, go for comfort all the way.

She's well spoiled! In reality, it makes cleaning and keeping the car cleaner so much easier. I'm sure she'd prefer cloth :P

liamog · 20-01-2017 11:44AM

Villain wrote: »

I know an EV owner who got charger in small pole with cable put into footpath, took a while for Council to agree but they did

That's cool, means I may have something to use as precedent.

Longer term I'm thinking of installing one of the Rolec StreetServ poles.
It's around twice the price and I'd need to get a proper contractor in to do the work.

https://www.midselec.co.uk/rolec-ev-streetserv-iec-plug-charging-post-c-w-rounded-top-32a.html

kave2 · 20-01-2017 12:11PM

There are 2 specs in UK. Premium and premium SE.
I think we have the premium one here in Ireland.
With SE you get electric leather seats with memory, heated and ventilated. Blind spot monitoring, rear traffic control, front parking sensors... Much higher spec...

That's normal, every car in here gets poorer spec than the ones in UK and continental Europe. And don't get me started on engine, gearbox options..

unkel · 20-01-2017 12:34PM

I know it was posted before and I didn't pay much attention to it. But this deserves attention. Fully recorded real life drive (not theoretical, not on some test track in perfect conditions) in an Ioniq EV in and around Seoul, South Korea. A city with over 10 million people. As you can see it is mainly fairly busy city highways and the average speed is not high (about 50km/h), but what is astonishing is that they drive the car on a single charge and the low battery warning doesn't even come on until after 348km (216 miles) :eek:

They stop the car soon after, but I can imagine it had another good few km in it (not a good idea to drive your EV until the battery runs out completely)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW56pVtWPJo

KCross · 20-01-2017 12:41PM

unkel wrote: »

I know it was posted before and I didn't pay much attention to it. But this deserves attention. Fully recorded real life drive (not theoretical, not on some test track in perfect conditions) in an Ioniq EV in and around Seoul, South Korea. A city with over 10 million people. As you can see it is mainly fairly busy city highways and the average speed is not high (about 50km/h), but what is astonishing is that they drive the car on a single charge and the low battery warning doesn't even come on until after 348km (216 miles) :eek:

They stop the car soon after, but I can imagine it had another good few km in it (not a good idea to drive your EV until the battery runs out completely)

I think you are in love with your new motor!

Well wear btw!

I watched some of that video before and what I'd like to see is if you drive a 30kWh Leaf on the same journey. Better still if they did it together it would show a real world comparison. Averaging 50kmh and probably babysitting it is really eeking out the best from the car (which is fine) but I think to be fair to the competition they should do a fair comparison.

Ioniq would still win but I'd like to know by how much.

Villain · 20-01-2017 01:03PM

It will be interesting to hear what you actually get unkel, based on my experience in a 24kw Leaf I would be shocked if you managed more than 200km outside of city driving.

unkel · 20-01-2017 01:08PM

Comparisons in real life are king! Must check out that Czech comparison test in detail, skipped over it when it was posted here first.

To be fair the few times over the years that I have checked my average speed on my board computers in several cars that I have had, my average was always well below 50km/h. And I like my speed, and going a tiny* bit over the posted speed limits on motorways :pac:

I guess that is the reality of driving in and around big cities.

*might be a bit more than tiny

I'm no eco driver and I don't intend to become one. Full throttle from every traffic light, that is my intention with the Ioniq! And no slowing down on motorways either, bar maybe very occasionally when I need to reach a destination without wanting to charge or without being able to charge

Jakey Rolling · 20-01-2017 01:10PM

Seriously giving the Ionic consideration - would be trading in an 09 Golf 1.9TDi.
Commute is 40km each way, occasional trip up to Dublin, about 180km.

Can anyone tell me does the Ionic come with adaptor to charge from normal household socket, as standard? We have external mains sockets, can easily put another off the garage on it's own breaker, until such time as we get and ESB charge point installed.

Also, anyone know offhand if the HSE (employer) have any programme to install chargers at their sites?

Confused about the €5000 scrappage offer - how does this work if your trade in is worth €8000?

unkel · 20-01-2017 01:31PM

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Can anyone tell me does the Ionic come with adaptor to charge from normal household socket, as standard?

Yes it does. It's called a "Granny cable". Plug it into any standard socket in or around your house. Charging from empty to full will take about 12 hours with it though.

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Confused about the €5000 scrappage offer - how does this work if your trade in is worth €8000?

It's actually a €4000 scrappage offer. In my case, my car is only worth a tiny fraction of that. In your case, I'm not sure how it works out. As with buying any new car, don't expect top dollar for it though. Ring the dealer and tell us here what they are saying. Could possibly be worth your while selling your Golf privately and buying a banger to use in the scrappage scheme. But check the terms & conditions. I was told different things by different dealers. Some of them didn't care about my "scrappage" car, others wanted to see it and / or wanted to know details of it and whether it was taxed / NCTd and what not.

Villain · 20-01-2017 02:04PM

unkel wrote: »

Comparisons in real life are king! Must check out that Czech comparison test in detail, skipped over it when it was posted here first.

To be fair the few times over the years that I have checked my average speed on my board computers in several cars that I have had, my average was always well below 50km/h. And I like my speed, and going a tiny* bit over the posted speed limits on motorways :pac:

I guess that is the reality of driving in and around big cities.

*might be a bit more than tiny

I'm no eco driver and I don't intend to become one. Full throttle from every traffic light, that is my intention with the Ioniq! And no slowing down on motorways either, bar maybe very occasionally when I need to reach a destination without wanting to charge or without being able to charge

An EV isn't much difference to an ICE in that pushing the power off the mark and breaking and accelerating hard will consume more power, now you do get regen but it doesn't make up for the power consumed when accelerating hard.

The ECO mode on the Leaf suppresses that and keeps power back unless you flatten the pedal but also makes it a boring drive

I would be shocked if Hyundai dealers were getting 180km to 200km and telling people that if the reality is actualy much higher.

Padraig Mor · 20-01-2017 02:22PM

unkel wrote: »

To be fair the few times over the years that I have checked my average speed on my board computers in several cars that I have had, my average was always well below 50km/h.

Yeah, my average is usually around 50km/h yet I spend plenty of time blasting along at 120 - 140km/h. It's the city traffic drops it big time.

I'm no eco driver and I don't intend to become one. Full throttle from every traffic light, that is my intention with the Ioniq! And no slowing down on motorways either, bar maybe very occasionally when I need to reach a destination without wanting to charge or without being able to charge

Pretty much the same here. TBH I cringe when I see EV drivers talking about driving at 80km/h on motorways - aside from the fact it's inherently dangerous, are they not embarrassed to be crawling along, giving EVs bad press?!

Villain wrote: »

The ECO mode on the Leaf suppresses that and keeps power back unless you flatten the pedal but also makes it a boring drive .

Eco mode is awful - but how many people realise the Leaf actually has a (physical) 'kickdown button' under the accelerator to give that full power even in Eco?

isnottheword · 20-01-2017 02:28PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

TBH I cringe when I see EV drivers talking about driving at 80km/h on motorways - aside from the fact it's inherently dangerous, are they not embarrassed to be crawling along, giving EVs bad press?!

If you're embarrassed, that's an issue for you ;-) If it's necessary to crawl along, it's necessary. Everybody knows that EV's are in development and that there are range issues (that clearly are progressing with newer models). As regards bad press, I don't agree - people should know the limitations. I'll put up with the 'embarrassment' with the €160/month that finds its way back into my pocket every month (and that's just on fuel - never mind savings on servicing costs).

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Eco mode is awful - but how many people realise the Leaf actually has a (physical) 'kickdown button' under the accelerator to give that full power even in Eco?

Not aware of any kick down button? I just press eco to overtake and then press eco again to go back to eco mode.

unkel · 20-01-2017 02:45PM

isnottheword wrote: »

Not aware of any kick down button? I just press eco to overtake and then press eco again to go back to eco mode.

Overtaking should be as quick as possible for safety reasons. You have to minimise reaction time and maximise acceleration. The time spent on finding and clicking on the eco button, is not minimising reaction time. Using the kick down button makes more sense to me as it does both of the above with just one quick stamp of your foot.

isnottheword · 20-01-2017 02:47PM

unkel wrote: »

Overtaking should be as quick as possible for safety reasons. You have to minimise reaction time and maximise acceleration. The time spent on finding and clicking on the eco button, is not minimising reaction time. Using the kick down button makes more sense to me as it does both of the above with just one quick stamp of your foot.

Foot down or eco button - don't really see much trouble with either - prefer the latter - but experiences differ.

unkel · 20-01-2017 02:49PM

It's quicker to stamp on the fast pedal then to press a button first and then stamp on the fast pedal. So the former is safer for overtaking. Really is that simple.

Ovbiously if you have loads of space / time for overtaking, this won't make any difference. I do like making progress and I do overtake where I safely can. I always do it as fast / quickly as I can, even if that means driving faster than the speed limit.

unkel · 20-01-2017 02:52PM

I also plan to not use ECO at all, normal or sport only. I don't plan to drive under 120km/h on quiet motorways. Unless I know I'm going to be really pushed for range (which I hope is going to be a rare occasion)

But I understand a Leaf is far more vulnerable to range drop when at higher speeds, so I do understand driving slower than 120km/h can be a necessity for many owners.

bk · 20-01-2017 03:06PM

unkel wrote: »

I also plan to not use ECO at all, normal or sport only. I don't plan to drive under 120km/h on quiet motorways. Unless I know I'm going to be really pushed for range (which I hope is going to be a rare occasion)

But I understand a Leaf is far more vulnerable to range drop when at higher speeds, so I do understand driving slower than 120km/h can be a necessity for many owners.

I have to say, I'm absolutely dying to hear a report of you taking a long motorway trip to somewhere like Cork, Galway, etc.

I think you are the type of person who would be most similar to how most people drive.

If you do, can you give us the door to door time. I think that gives a much more real world view then people saying they spent 45 minutes charging, etc. (which of course is interesting too, but not the most important info IMO).

cros13 · 20-01-2017 03:50PM

unkel wrote: »

I'm not sure tbh, highdef. They have two packages in the UK and leather is standard on the highest package (and electric seats and heated seats in the back). Maybe someone else can tell you if it's an option here and how much it is.

It is an option.... around €1600 I think. I have a full sheet somewhere that I got when I did the Ioniq test drive last year with all the option pricing. Should have scanned it and posted it long ago.

unkel wrote: »

I'm no eco driver and I don't intend to become one. Full throttle from every traffic light, that is my intention with the Ioniq!

The only way to do it

That's one of the great things about EVs. You can drive like you stole it with no discernible impact on running costs or maintenance.

Jakey Rolling · 20-01-2017 03:56PM

unkel wrote:

It's actually a â‚¬4000 scrappage offer. In my case, my car is only worth a tiny fraction of that. In your case, I'm not sure how it works out. As with buying any new car, don't expect top dollar for it though. Ring the dealer and tell us here what they are saying. Could possibly be worth your while selling your Golf privately and buying a banger to use in the scrappage scheme. But check the terms & conditions. I was told different things by different dealers. Some of them didn't care about my "scrappage" car, others wanted to see it and / or wanted to know details of it and whether it was taxed / NCTd and what not.

unkel wrote:

It's actually a â‚¬4000 scrappage offer.

Hyundai website currently advertising it as "â‚¬5000 scrappage bonus". Alternatively 5 years free servicing. Or Insurance paid for a year.

Anyhow, will drop in to them next week for test drive and discuss figures then.

Just looked at the eCars charging map and concerned that there's not many CCS chargers around! The 2 in Cashel are handy alright, but frequently occupied when I pass by there.

highdef · 20-01-2017 04:14PM

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Hyundai website currently advertising it as "â‚¬5000 scrappage bonus"..

It's €4,000 for the Ioniq

n97 mini · 20-01-2017 04:27PM

cros13 wrote: »

That's one of the great things about EVs. You can drive like you stole it with no discernible impact on running costs or maintenance.

Anything I have read is that high loads will decrease battery lifespan, so "redlining" the battery regularly is probably not a good idea. Eco on the Leaf limits max load, so it should help battery longevity. No reason to think any other EV is any different.

cros13 · 20-01-2017 04:37PM

n97 mini wrote: »

Anything I have read is that high loads will decrease battery lifespan, so "redlining" the battery regularly is probably not a good idea. Eco on the Leaf limits max load, so it should help battery longevity. No reason to think any other EV is any different.

Mainly the problem would be with high sustained loads. No commercial EV lets you continuous discharge at a rate that would allow significant cell damage.
All of them have a good bit of headroom between the peak motor power and the peak output of the pack.

In the case of the i3 that peak output is about 155kW on the 22kWh pack and larger on the 33kWh, a good margin on the 125kW peak motor output (which it only hits for a fraction of a second in perfect conditions).
Sustained load ratings are much lower, just over 40kW on the 22kWh and 63kW on the 33kWh.

My i3's and Leafs have all been full throttled off every light for over 200,000km of combined hard driving and lots of repeated rapid charging. Bar the extra tire wear, no discernible impact.

I'm not a big believer in babying the pack. You should be charging to 100% at least once a week and regularly giving the cells a bit of a workout with some spirited driving.

n97 mini · 20-01-2017 04:53PM

cros13 wrote: »

Mainly the problem would be with high sustained loads. No commercial EV lets you continuous discharge at a rate that would allow significant cell damage.

The Leaf battery report specifically mentions high consumption as a contributor to battery wear.

cros13 wrote: »

regularly giving the cells a bit of a workout with some spirited driving.

Ha, you make it sound like a turbo diesel!

unkel · 20-01-2017 05:06PM

n97 mini wrote: »

Anything I have read is that high loads will decrease battery lifespan, so "redlining" the battery regularly is probably not a good idea.

8 years warranty on the battery. Not my problem if it fails within that time.

I plan to "redline" the bejaysus out of it. And doing it will only cost me a few cents. That's the perk of having an EV

n97 mini · 20-01-2017 05:21PM

unkel wrote: »

8 years warranty on the battery. Not my problem if it fails within that time.

I plan to "redline" the bejaysus out of it. And doing it will only cost me a few cents. That's the perk of having an EV

Well I suppose why not, since you're buying brand new and will be taking a massive future hit on depreciation.

Villain · 20-01-2017 05:22PM

unkel wrote: »

8 years warranty on the battery. Not my problem if it fails within that time.

I plan to "redline" the bejaysus out of it. And doing it will only cost me a few cents. That's the perk of having an EV

Unless you have to use an FCP and ecars get away with genie plans in which case it will cost more than a Diesel

unkel · 20-01-2017 05:35PM

n97 mini wrote: »

will be taking a massive future hit on depreciation.

Nah. I'm planning to hold on to the car for 6 / 7 years, maybe more. Even if the car is worth nothing after 7 years (which it won't), my total cost of ownership will still be lower than on any other family size ICE car.

Can't lose here dude. All the subsidies are paid up front. I'm not exposed to the risk of higher fuel prices, car is covered by a full warranty for the first 5 years (not that there is anything much that can go wrong - the car probably never even needs brake pads / discs). I doubt the tax on EVs will go up and the depreciation hit on my EV is irrelevant to me as I demonstrated.

Just ordered a night rate meter, so from now on the dishwasher / dryer / washing machine etc. will all be switched on at 23:00 for further savings

keithob13 · 20-01-2017 05:53PM

Hi there. As a staff employee of the Hyundai network i would like to just say although the Hyundai Ioniq doesn't come with leather fitted as standard there is the option of getting leather fitted locally at a very reasonable price and great quality. So before you rule out the Ioniq based on leather not been fitted please bear please just that in mind before you make a choice.

I'm soliciting for business just putting that option out there.

Thank you.

stesaurus · 20-01-2017 06:05PM

keithob13 wrote: »

Hi there. As a staff employee of the Hyundai network i would like to just say although the Hyundai Ioniq doesn't come with leather fitted as standard there is the option of getting leather fitted locally at a very reasonable price and great quality. So before you rule out the Ioniq based on leather not been fitted please bear please just that in mind before you make a choice.

I'm soliciting for business just putting that option out there.

Thank you.

Any sign of Hyundai dealer networks installing their own CCS chargers like Nissan?

unkel · 20-01-2017 06:07PM

keithob13 wrote: »

Hi there. As a staff employee of the Hyundai network

Hi Keith, make sure you transfer my commission into my bank account before next Wednesday as agreed, will you?

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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