Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

HuntingDrog · 18-01-2017 03:47PM

anyone know if the match tonight is on any of the radio stations?

HuntingDrog · 18-01-2017 03:48PM

The blue blaa wrote: »

blueflame wrote: »

Fair comment, i did go on a bit, - however in my defence, my comments were less about the game and individual performances and much more to do with the team set up and selection - while games or results at this time of year may not mean much, especially given the condition of pitches and the stage that training programmes are at, - the fact is there seems to be no attempt from management to change the approach whatsoever and this to me is very alarming -

Played a strong enough team against Offally up in Tinryland last Wednesday night.
Playing Cork in Mallow on Wednesday a good few lads being left out of this one and almost sure we play a challenge the weekend against Cuala.

Against Cuala? any idea of when/where?

KevIRL · 18-01-2017 05:00PM

HuntingDrog wrote: »

anyone know if the match tonight is on any of the radio stations?

I'd very much doubt it. Best bet is updates on twitter

PTH2009 · 18-01-2017 05:52PM

Think cork could win handy enough tonight as they will want it more (win tonight and there in the final) and they have a strong enough team out

I imagine we will have an experimental team out

Punt Road · 18-01-2017 08:06PM

Waterford team

thesultan · 18-01-2017 08:17PM

Punt Road wrote: »

Waterford team

Should try and put a few of the established players with them

IanVW · 18-01-2017 08:21PM

2 late changes on Waterford team Shane Roche & Darragh Lyons in for Kieran Bennett & Conor Prunty

KevIRL · 18-01-2017 09:00PM

Similar story to Limerick game. Raced into a pretty big lead early on but pegged back. Waterford 1-7 cork 0-9 latest

IanVW · 18-01-2017 09:11PM

Half Time Waterford 1-10 Cork 0-12 Patrick Horgan 0-10 (7 frees) Shane Bennett five frees Stephen Bennett 0-3 from play

KevIRL · 18-01-2017 10:11PM

0-25 to 1-19 FT

IanVW · 18-01-2017 10:12PM

KevIRL wrote: »

0-25 to 1-19 FT

Decent enough performance being 3/1 outsiders with a mostly second string team:)

KevIRL · 18-01-2017 10:17PM

IanVW wrote: »

Decent enough performance being 3/1 outsiders with a mostly second string team:)

Agree. Second clean sheet in a row too and a goal in each game.

Can't read anything into these games mind

seananigans · 18-01-2017 10:45PM

KevIRL wrote: »

Agree. Second clean sheet in a row too and a goal in each game.

Can't read anything into these games mind

can read into them lots of lads have their hands up , can never be a bad thing

PTH2009 · 18-01-2017 10:58PM

Not a bad result considering we had a lot of new faces

As we're out of the running for final with games vs Clare (Sunday) and Kerry (next weds) to go I wonder will we start playing more established players as the league edges closer or will more new players be tested . A concern I'd have going into the first league game against Kilkenny is that there playing there first team players already and no doubt they will be ready for the league.

seananigans · 18-01-2017 11:03PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not a bad result considering we had a lot of new faces

As we're out of the running for final with games vs Clare (Sunday) and Kerry (next weds) to go I wonder will we start playing more established players as the league edges closer or will more new players be tested . A concern I'd have going into the first league game against Kilkenny is that there playing there first team players already and no doubt they will be ready for the league.

was no harm last year when we did the same

robopaddy2 · 18-01-2017 11:14PM

Great to see so many young lads being given a go. Last year we saw the same 20/21 players right through the year which defied logic really. A few lads in there I wouldn't have expected to see. A few guys that didn't even make county teams when they were minor and u21. But that's ok too just because you played minor and u21 county dosent mean you have divine right to get a chance over someone who has shown well at club level. Maybe it would be good to bring in a few more established senior players back for the Clare game at the weekend, it would be nice to try and get a win as you don't want to get into a losing habit either. Then put out an experimental side again against Kerry the last game as that's a game we should expect to win regardless.

Anyone know if any of the Lismore lads (aside from Maurice obviously) are expected to be involved after their club campaign ends?

Cake Man · 19-01-2017 12:23AM

Anyone at the game to give a bit of a report? How we set up, what worked/didn't work, who played well, who of the new faces stood out etc.
Seems Shane and Stephen Bennett were some of our main men with the bulk of the scoring which is good to see. As robopaddy said above, might be good to introduce a few more of the regulars v Clare on Sunday and start getting a bit of consistency for what the league 15 will be. According to the Clare thread, they were poor enough tonight in their loss against Limerick so would be nice to pick up a first win of the season regardless of the importance of the competition.

Cake Man · 19-01-2017 12:33AM

Also, what do people think of the U25 competition that looks to be replacing the intercounty intermediate championship? Apart from 3 or 4 counties, there seems to be very little appetite anymore for that intermediate grade and has more or less become an opportunity for the U21 management and players to get a few games in front of a crowd before a senior championship game. Even at that, it really only involved U21 lads not involved in the senior match day squad and other fringe players not involved in the senior set up to add a bit of experience.
Don't think anything will really change with it, will still be used as it has been the last few years but it kind of puts any lads above 25 around the county out of the picture to put themselves in the shop window.

Fred C Dobbs · 19-01-2017 11:15PM

The Irish Times lists the goalie (at last nights game) as I.O'Keeffe - mix up in initials it seems.

Sounded like a ding dong second half, with the Bennetts to the fore.

Anyone know much about Eamonn Murphy (Dunhill) - heard great things about him only recently - see he scored 1-1 from play last night ; one to keep an eye on.

robopaddy2 · 19-01-2017 11:28PM

Cake Man wrote: »

Also, what do people think of the U25 competition that looks to be replacing the intercounty intermediate championship? Apart from 3 or 4 counties, there seems to be very little appetite anymore for that intermediate grade and has more or less become an opportunity for the U21 management and players to get a few games in front of a crowd before a senior championship game. Even at that, it really only involved U21 lads not involved in the senior match day squad and other fringe players not involved in the senior set up to add a bit of experience.
Don't think anything will really change with it, will still be used as it has been the last few years but it kind of puts any lads above 25 around the county out of the picture to put themselves in the shop window.

The intermediate grade has been passed its sell by date with a long time. Some counties allowed field second string teams, others only junior and intermediate club players. Who benefits from that?
Totally makes sense to change grade to 'u25'. The only use for us would be to give a chance to lads on the periphery of the senior panel or those lads out of minor and u21 not quite ready for senior yet. And given how strong we have been at minor/u21 the past 7 or 8 years we should be fairly competitive.

robopaddy2 · 19-01-2017 11:32PM

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

The Irish Times lists the goalie (at last nights game) as I.O'Keeffe - mix up in initials it seems.

Sounded like a ding dong second half, with the Bennetts to the fore.

Anyone know much about Eamonn Murphy (Dunhill) - heard great things about him only recently - see he scored 1-1 from play last night ; one to keep an eye on.

He was minor about 6 or 7 years ago, so by no means new kid on the block. I remember he gave an outstanding display in a Munster minor final against Clare even though Waterford ended up being beaten. Havent heard that much of him since other than playing for his club.

JesusRef · 19-01-2017 11:42PM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

He was minor about 6 or 7 years ago, so by no means new kid on the block. I remember he gave an outstanding display in a Munster minor final against Clare even though Waterford ended up being beaten. Havent heard that much of him since other than playing for his club.

He was knocking around the Panel for a bit under Davy Fitz, played a few tournament games etc - id say it was his first year out of minor

robopaddy2 · 19-01-2017 11:51PM

JesusRef wrote: »

robopaddy2 wrote: »

He was minor about 6 or 7 years ago, so by no means new kid on the block. I remember he gave an outstanding display in a Munster minor final against Clare even though Waterford ended up being beaten. Havent heard that much of him since other than playing for his club.

He was knocking around the Panel for a bit under Davy Fitz, played a few tournament games etc - id say it was his first year out of minor

Davy Fitz used to love doing that, parachuting lads straight in out of minor, working the b****x out of them them, by the time their in their last year u21 their nearly washed up, burnt out, off the panel and replaced by someone else. O'Halloran amongst a few other springs to mind aswell.

PTH2009 · 20-01-2017 12:31AM

Davy Fitz is an ultra competitive manager and wants to win every tournament he's in, so he demands a lot from his players early on. Sure Wexford are going well in the Walsh Cup under him ATM.

I always wonder do any of the lads playing for us in the Munster league (bar the guys who were on the panel the last few years) actually stand a chance getting a place in the squad ??. How could a guy be motivated when he's knows he will lose out to players like Pauric Mahony, Maurice, Moran, Dunford, Brick etc who more or less be returning to the panel ???

mountgomery burns · 20-01-2017 09:22AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Davy Fitz used to love doing that, parachuting lads straight in out of minor, working the b****x out of them them, by the time their in their last year u21 their nearly washed up, burnt out, off the panel and replaced by someone else. O'Halloran amongst a few other springs to mind aswell.

Bit harsh, O Halloran has had chromic injury problems. Not a Davy fan, but in fairness he did look at pretty much every hurler with any chance of playing county.

PTH2009 · 20-01-2017 11:11AM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/league-format-over-burdens-college-going-players-and-needs-to-change-claims-derek-mcgrath-439985.html

Does have a point but a 10 team division could drag on a bit

This is prob a bit controversial of me but do we really need third level competitions ??. Most of the guys playing in these are intercounty/club players, can the GAA just let the lads enjoy there academic life's ???. I suppose it's the players choice and they seem too love playing in the Fitzgibbon/Siegerson and it gives guys a chance too play with other players from different county's

Cornerstoner · 20-01-2017 03:09PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/league-format-over-burdens-college-going-players-and-needs-to-change-claims-derek-mcgrath-439985.html

Does have a point but a 10 team division could drag on a bit

This is prob a bit controversial of me but do we really need third level competitions ??. Most of the guys playing in these are intercounty/club players, can the GAA just let the lads enjoy there academic life's ???. I suppose it's the players choice and they seem too love playing in the Fitzgibbon/Siegerson and it gives guys a chance too play with other players from different county's

Youve clearly never played fitz with such an uninformed comment. Fitz is one of the most enjoyable competitions to play in. Opinions from people like yourself who only go (or watch on TV) to Senior inter county GAA games are whats wrong with the GAA

danganabu · 20-01-2017 03:47PM

Cornerstoner wrote: »

Youve clearly never played fitz with such an uninformed comment. Fitz is one of the most enjoyable competitions to play in. Opinions from people like yourself who only go (or watch on TV) to Senior inter county GAA games are whats wrong with the GAA

Oh the irony! Climb down off your high horse for a second and if you disagree with his post counter argue it rather than trying to belittle the poster.

PTH2009 is of course right that the increased emphasis and profile of both third level and secondary level competitions for that matter have caused a huge problem to the GAA and in particular the fixtures calendar.

Cornerstoner · 20-01-2017 04:46PM

danganabu wrote: »

Cornerstoner wrote: »

Youve clearly never played fitz with such an uninformed comment. Fitz is one of the most enjoyable competitions to play in. Opinions from people like yourself who only go (or watch on TV) to Senior inter county GAA games are whats wrong with the GAA

Oh the irony! Climb down off your high horse for a second and if you disagree with his post counter argue it rather than trying to belittle the poster.

PTH2009 is of course right that the increased emphasis and profile of both third level and secondary level competitions for that matter have caused a huge problem to the GAA and in particular the fixtures calendar.

The problem is not with these competitions. They have been here almost as long as the GAA was founded itself, the Fitz goes back as far as 1912. The problem with the fixtures calendar is every competition bar Senior inter county being shunted to the side. People who play the game are fed up and this can be evidenced by the new club players association recently founded

danganabu · 20-01-2017 05:10PM

Cornerstoner wrote: »

The problem is not with these competitions. They have been here almost as long as the GAA was founded itself, the Fitz goes back as far as 1912. The problem with the fixtures calendar is every competition bar Senior inter county being shunted to the side. People who play the game are fed up and this can be evidenced by the new club players association recently founded

Again I agree with you, the problem is a widespread one. The All Ireland is a twelve team championship and takes over 4 months to complete, its simply not sustainable with the demands on players nowadays.

Your point re the Fitz. being in place since the beginning of the last century is largely irrelevant on a number of counts, firstly it had no where near the prestige and relative resources then as it has now and also the number of top players that attended third level then was miniscule compared to the vast majority who do now.

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