Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

Andrew76 · 15-01-2017 02:50PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You get everything you need in the box.

Except a game to play. :P

Expensive console launches are nothing new anyway and as has been mentioned before, launch line-ups are mostly always very bare (which makes it puzzling why folks haven't learned from that and continue to put up with it).

It will be very interesting to see how the first 6 months go and how the online pans out. Also, they really need to re-think their strategy on those paid for monthly games that they will remove after the month is up - that's an insult to Nintendo fans.

Gizmo55 · 15-01-2017 02:58PM

Next Christmas will tell a lot, with Mario coming out for Switch and Scorpio releasing. There's room for both of course.

CiDeRmAn · 15-01-2017 03:04PM

Gizmo55 wrote: »

Next Christmas will tell a lot, with Mario coming out for Switch and Scorpio releasing. There's room for both of course.

I think there'll be a difficulty in convincing owners of the XB and PS that the update to a Scorpio or Pro is going to be worth it, especially when 4k TVs are still a novelty rather than typical.
On the other hand, I think there's plenty of scope for people, living with their 3DS consoles for ages, moving naturally to the Switch as an upgrade.
I can see this because, as well as everything else I have, the 3DS has been a cracking source of gaming goodness for years now, and much of that was done at home rather than elsewhere.
The Switch has the potential to tap into this niche and expand it, which has the potential of making it the most popular console of all.
Instead of seeing it as a PS4 competitor with a smaller library, think of it as a 3DS successor with the potential to bring an entirely new range of titles, Skyrim/Fallout/Dark Souls to the portable gaming market, along with the Fire Emblems, Etrian Odyssey's and Pokemon games.

CiDeRmAn · 15-01-2017 03:08PM

Andrew76 wrote: »

Except a game to play. :P

Expensive console launches are nothing new anyway and as has been mentioned before, launch line-ups are mostly always very bare (which makes it puzzling why folks haven't learned from that and continue to put up with it).

It will be very interesting to see how the first 6 months go and how the online pans out. Also, they really need to re-think their strategy on those paid for monthly games that they will remove after the month is up - that's an insult to Nintendo fans.

That's a big one for me, it's not going to make me withdraw my preorder but it certainly gives me pause that Nintendo either put no value on goodwill towards consumers or, more likely, put way too much stock in the potential of ongoing sales of their legacy titles.
I know Super Mario Bros 3 is sublime in a way that Crash Bandicoot is not, but as a Nintendo service subscriber they really need to give us something back.
Perhaps if we had a selection of available titles each month and could only select one, but possession of that one would be as long as we are subscribers, it would avoid devaluing the Nintendo back catalogue while giving something back.

Gizmo55 · 15-01-2017 03:12PM

I agree with most of what you're saying. But I think MS have made a wise move by holding out for a year re Scorpio, til 4k tv's reduce in price, which they already are. Nintendo Switch will have a better games line up too by Christmas which is why I can see them both selling well then.

Aokay · 15-01-2017 03:38PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think there'll be a difficulty in convincing owners of the XB and PS that the update to a Scorpio or Pro is going to be worth it, especially when 4k TVs are still a novelty rather than typical.
On the other hand, I think there's plenty of scope for people, living with their 3DS consoles for ages, moving naturally to the Switch as an upgrade.
I can see this because, as well as everything else I have, the 3DS has been a cracking source of gaming goodness for years now, and much of that was done at home rather than elsewhere.
The Switch has the potential to tap into this niche and expand it, which has the potential of making it the most popular console of all.
Instead of seeing it as a PS4 competitor with a smaller library, think of it as a 3DS successor with the potential to bring an entirely new range of titles, Skyrim/Fallout/Dark Souls to the portable gaming market, along with the Fire Emblems, Etrian Odyssey's and Pokemon games.

I think Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Switch is all wrong. They're saying that it's primarily a home console that you can also happen to take on the go. The Switch's portability should be at the forefront of its marketing and it should be treated as a successor to both the 3DS AND Wii U.
Nintendo have confirmed that the 3DS and Wii U will coexist side by side and the way they're approaching it makes me think that the 3DS will have a successor next year or the year after. Nintendo should really only have one system on the market that they can dedicate all their man power to. That in itself would be such a big selling point.

Danonino. · 15-01-2017 03:38PM

Y'know what I wanna see?

Viewtiful Joe 3, have it funded by Nintendo, developed by Platinum and I guess pay off Capcom cause they probably own the rights etc.

The wonderful 102,

Ultra Ghouls and Ghosts - Like Ultra Street Fighter 2, original sprite design but remastered to 16:9 new areas, bosses, weapons.

Outsource to Sega and have F-Zero GX deluxe or a new F-Zero and either Super Monkey Ball 1+2 remaster or just Super Monkey Ball switch (none of the adventure or tilt control nonsense)

Star Fox Zero Switch edition - Yep, just get Star fox zero, cut the second screen and stuff not essential. Option for stick controls, online and local battle mode.

A new Metroid - a proper metroid. I consider the Primes to be proper but a metroidvania I'd be happy with too. Retro studios are making something and have been for at least 3+ years.

Paper Mario and the thousand year door 2 - please

1080 snowboarding - a new 1080 would be awesome. NOT open world, not SSX, make it like the best parts of the original and avalanche. I still throw these on from time to time.

The Dark Souls switch remaster that was rumoured a while back.

Pokémon stars or someone called it Pokémon ECLIPSE which is a waaaaaaay better name.

I'd take a new advance wars too.

That'd be sweet.

Pro controllers being €70 is'nt that shocking. They are overpriced but not by much. Hell Xbox one and Dual shock 4s are between €55 and €80 new. Controllers are always expensive nonsense. I'll have to wait and see how the joycon feels. For all we know it'll be perfectly fine like how the Wii U gamepad looked like it'd be a nightmare but was actually lovely to use outside of proper triggers.

McLoughlin · 15-01-2017 03:46PM

Aokay wrote: »

I think Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Switch is all wrong. They're saying that it's primarily a home console that you can also happen to take on the go. The Switch's portability should be at the forefront of its marketing and it should be treated as a successor to both the 3DS AND Wii U.
Nintendo have confirmed that the 3DS and Wii U will coexist side by side and the way they're approaching it makes me think that the 3DS will have a successor next year or the year after. Nintendo should really only have one system on the market that they can dedicate all their man power to. That in itself would be such a big selling point.

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I swear there were comments from Nintendo about the Game Boy and DS line co existing and well we know what happened

Benzino · 15-01-2017 03:55PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well I'd rather take an informed researched opinion rather than the opinion of som mouth piece on a forum or over at giant bomb or easy allies.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Ah now.
Anyone can have an opinion, true.
The internet is full of opinions.
But there's informed opinion and the other kind.
And the stuff Retr0 linked to is informed opinion.
You have to gain knowledge somewhere, just some think this means watching a 10 minute Youtube video of a shouty person or a panel giving opinions, on IGN or elsewhere.

Well this is going around in circles, so this will be my last on it.

What the analysts say is correct, it's a valid strategy that is used by companies. What Easy Allies and the other "mouth pieces" say, is also correct, it's a valid strategy used by companies (some of the articles posted by Retro even talk about it and how Nintendo likely used it in the past).

If you ask these analysts do companies purposely create scarcity with their products to promote sales, they would say yes. It's been done, we all know this. So when they say Nintendo are just been cautious, they are just guessing. Why they chose that option, I dunno. It's probably the most common reason for it. But at the end of the day, informed or not, it's just a guess as they do not work for Nintendo, so can't possibly no.

So you can slag off Easy Allies and the like all you want, but there is just as much evidence that they are correct as there is that the analysts are correct.

My point is, calling people moronic or brushing off suggestions that Nintendo purposely under supply is ridiculous, cause there is nothing to prove it's correct or incorrect.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Tbh, if one of them is ever likely to disappear from the standalone console market, it will be MS, as the Xbox increasingly occupies the space that the Steam Machines were supposed to, a easy to digest alternative to owning a gaming PC.
And no one needs to see a gaming universe dominated by just one company, and the self limiting nature of such an arrangement.

I'd agree, but I think MS will likely just exit it on their own accord. My impression is that they don't really care too much about it at this stage. I think E3 will be very telling about how invested they are, they really need a bunch of exclusives to get people on board and to back Scorpio.

sligeach · 15-01-2017 03:57PM

Nintendo training the next generation of would be criminals.

https://twitter.com/NintendoUK/status/820337208414478337

ThisRegard · 15-01-2017 03:58PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think there'll be a difficulty in convincing owners of the XB and PS that the update to a Scorpio or Pro is going to be worth it, especially when 4k TVs are still a novelty rather than typical.

Plenty seemed to have traded up to an S or Pro from the standard version based on various forums I read at the time.

Gizmo55 · 15-01-2017 04:04PM

I think people are underestimating how many people like to have the most powerful console. The latest and greatest blah blah blah. As I said, there's room for both imo.

FAILSAFE 00 · 15-01-2017 04:14PM

Benzino wrote: »

....My impression is that they don't really care too much about it at this stage. I think E3 will be very telling about how invested they are, they really need a bunch of exclusives to get people on board and to back Scorpio.

Really :rolleyes:

They are killing it. Phil Spencer's Xbox division brought the Xbox One back from absolute disaster to a major success.

On its own free backward compatibility on Xbox One is a winner for this gen.

All Scorpio has to do is run multiplayer platform titles better than PS Pro and they will clean up. All this talk of exclusives. The mass market of gamers don't care. They simply want the best possible experience while playing their multiplatform titles. PS4 success is mostly down it being the more powerful console of this gen and Microsoft making a balls of Xbox One pre-release.

I do hope that they focus on more exclusives but lets face it the more powerful console will clean up which is actually worrying because Xbox have been delivering so much because they have been playing catch up behind the market leader. My only hope is that they don't get complacent once they start outselling PS4.

Benzino · 15-01-2017 04:38PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Really :rolleyes:

They are killing it. Phil Spencer's Xbox division brought the Xbox One back from absolute disaster to a major success.

On its own free backward compatibility on Xbox One is a winner for this gen.

All Scorpio has to do is run multiplayer platform titles better than PS Pro and they will clean up. All this talk of exclusives. The mass market of gamers don't care. They simply want the best possible experience while playing their multiplatform titles. PS4 success is mostly down it being the more powerful console of this gen and Microsoft making a balls of Xbox One pre-release.

I do hope that they focus on more exclusives but lets face it the more powerful console will clean up which is actually worrying because Xbox have been delivering so much because they have been playing catch up behind the market leader. My only hope is that they don't get complacent once they start outselling PS4.

Meh, if you think all you need is the most powerful console, fine. I'd say Dreamcast, Saturn, original Xbox, and PS3 early on would suggest otherwise to mention a few recent examples.

Here is not the place to discuss it anyway.

lawlolawl · 15-01-2017 05:13PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Really :rolleyes:

They are killing it. Phil Spencer's Xbox division brought the Xbox One back from absolute disaster to a major success.

On its own free backward compatibility on Xbox One is a winner for this gen.

All Scorpio has to do is run multiplayer platform titles better than PS Pro and they will clean up. All this talk of exclusives. The mass market of gamers don't care. They simply want the best possible experience while playing their multiplatform titles. PS4 success is mostly down it being the more powerful console of this gen and Microsoft making a balls of Xbox One pre-release.

I do hope that they focus on more exclusives but lets face it the more powerful console will clean up which is actually worrying because Xbox have been delivering so much because they have been playing catch up behind the market leader. My only hope is that they don't get complacent once they start outselling PS4.

There is no way in hell the Scorpio is going to save Xbox from permanent second place. If it even actually comes out it will be overpriced as hell and will still only have one good exclusive game available for it.

Also, all this talk of them "delivering" is rather odd because they aren't really doing anything other than releasing games from last gen on BC. It certainly hasn't made me want to take my Xbox One out of the bottom of my wardrobe where it currently lives.

CiDeRmAn · 15-01-2017 05:21PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Plenty seemed to have traded up to an S or Pro from the standard version based on various forums I read at the time.

These wouldn't be PlayStation and Xbox forums would they?
Because Boards or other fora out there really don't reflect the mainstream gaming public.
Just by being here, talking and typing about this stuff, you are engaging the noggin in a way the great unwashed gaming public don't.
If people here buy into the upgrade path that Sony and MS lay out then that's great, but I have a feeling that, if in the market for a PS4 or XB1 for Christmas 2017, most will buy the cheaper standard option, rather than the promises of the 8th and a half generation consoles.

I think Christmas 2017 is going to be very interesting indeed.
And I'm hoping the Switch will be a significant part of it too.

As for the WiiU and 3DS moving forward in parallel with the Switch, I don't see it.
They will definitely maintain online services for a time, but there really isn't much upcoming for the 3DS, with only the Yoshi's Woolly World, a Dragon Ball title and DQVIII on the way, so that format will be all over but the singing by Christmas.

ThisRegard · 15-01-2017 05:25PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

These wouldn't be PlayStation and Xbox forums would they?

A bit of this, a bit of that. I have no loyalty to any format or forum and truth be told I don't play much anyway, only time is with my eldest daughter. I'm just a tech fan.

RobbingBandit · 15-01-2017 05:26PM

sligeach wrote: »

Nintendo training the next generation of would be criminals.
https://twitter.com/NintendoUK/status/820337208414478337

They should have asked me to do the key note

rob808 · 15-01-2017 05:36PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

These wouldn't be PlayStation and Xbox forums would they?
Because Boards or other fora out there really don't reflect the mainstream gaming public.
Just by being here, talking and typing about this stuff, you are engaging the noggin in a way the great unwashed gaming public don't.
If people here buy into the upgrade path that Sony and MS lay out then that's great, but I have a feeling that, if in the market for a PS4 or XB1 for Christmas 2017, most will buy the cheaper standard option, rather than the promises of the 8th and a half generation consoles.

I think Christmas 2017 is going to be very interesting indeed.
And I'm hoping the Switch will be a significant part of it too.

As for the WiiU and 3DS moving forward in parallel with the Switch, I don't see it.
They will definitely maintain online services for a time, but there really isn't much upcoming for the 3DS, with only the Yoshi's Woolly World, a Dragon Ball title and DQVIII on the way, so that format will be all over but the singing by Christmas.

well let hope switch does some sort of price drop or bundle with a game come Christmas for €320.The ps4 pro €400 and much more powerful than the switch and they likely bundle a game to combat the Xbox Scorpio higher price point.

Atari Jaguar · 15-01-2017 05:38PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Need to see a new Metal Gear Solid, a Castlevania revival and what ever the newest version of the Marvel vs beat em up is on the switch before Christmas.

A new Metal Gear? Can't see that being any good without Kojima.

dunworth1 · 15-01-2017 05:38PM

preordered the neon version today in Gamestop

€329 isn't bad at all for a launch console

the lad in the shop said that they should be announcing bundles soon so held off on preordering a game

DARK-KNIGHT · 15-01-2017 05:38PM

thoughts on mario odyssey game previews? tbh im not convinced. i hope its epic but dunno how it will work the city looks boring imo

Pac1Man · 15-01-2017 05:41PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

thoughts on mario odyssey game previews? tbh im not convinced. i hope its epic but dunno how it will work the city looks boring imo

I thought the city was just one part of it, not the full experience?

I could be wrong but I thought Mario was visiting different locations around the world.

sligeach · 15-01-2017 05:42PM

The city is the hub I'm sure. So you'll be seeing lots of it.

MilesMorales1 · 15-01-2017 05:44PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

thoughts on mario odyssey game previews? tbh im not convinced. i hope its epic but dunno how it will work the city looks boring imo

Good judgement from a 2 minute trailer with little city footage.

DARK-KNIGHT · 15-01-2017 05:44PM

sligeach wrote: »

The city is the hub I'm sure. So you'll be seeing lots of it.

i hope it is just a hub and areas are the levels.

Atari Jaguar · 15-01-2017 05:45PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Which reminds me
Switch is getting the Dark Souls trilogy too, as are the other consoles, but still.

*throws money* TAKE IT

panevthe3rd · 15-01-2017 05:46PM

I pre ordered from gamestop online last Thursday. Paid the €5 deposit and got my confirmation email.

Went in today to pay off a bit on it with some vouchers I had and they had no record of the order. showed them the e mail and they still couldn't find it.

so I made a new pre order and I'll cancel the online one. worth checking if your online order went through though.

they also said the deposit had to be €50 minimum.

DARK-KNIGHT · 15-01-2017 05:48PM

50 euro deposit is a good idea stops the knacker scalpers buying all the stock

15-01-2017 05:51PM

panevthe3rd wrote: »

I pre ordered from gamestop online last Thursday. Paid the €5 deposit and got my confirmation email.

Went in today to pay off a bit on it with some vouchers I had and they had no record of the order. showed them the e mail and they still couldn't find it.

so I made a new pre order and I'll cancel the online one. worth checking if your online order went through though.

they also said the deposit had to be €50 minimum.

That's ridiculous there was no record. Are GameStop just taking these E5 pre orders and doing nothing with them?

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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