Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

Pac1Man · 15-01-2017 12:23PM

After the dust has kinda settled and a few days have passed, I can say that I like the Switch as a device. I want one but not yet.

That's the biggest gripe; there doesn't seem to be much to entice Wii U owners. For non-Wii U owners, there is plenty to keep you busy.

There are another few games released in March/April to make it a worthwhile purchase. I don't understand why people are only focusing on the 5 released on day one?!? A short few weeks later you will have Mario Kart plus a few others!

Another reason why I am waiting is of course the price. I'll see how the land lies around Christmas.

Can anyone explain why the price of the games are so much? Will it be long before they fall in line with Sony and MS? I would never pay €70 for a game.

Benzino · 15-01-2017 12:24PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Edit: can't find where it is and Agdq super metroid run is about to start but here's two less hyperbolic takes on it

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/11/soapbox_nintendo_the_nes_mini_and_ongoing_stock_problems

Tom whitehead being a bit more level headed.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Nintendo-keeps-paying-despite-less-playing?page=2

Piece from an actual financial journalist specialising in the Japanese company.

They are just opinion pieces, and are no more valid than any other article. The fact is, we don't know if they use the anti-consumer tactic or not, so calling people moronic for having a different view on it is ridiculous when you can't back up your claim.

CiDeRmAn · 15-01-2017 12:24PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Nintendo developing games for Playstation/PC.

Wow
You've posted so many constructive and insightful posts on this thread, thanks...
Oh, wait, no you've posted inflammatory sh1te, over and over again.
Haven't you got a PSVR to go stick your head in?

MilesMorales1 · 15-01-2017 12:24PM

iamtony wrote: »

Diddy Kong Racing online would be great. GoldenEye also.

It would, though I think Goldeneye is eternally locked down by rights disputes? Maybe someone can correct me.

Plus you'd add a fair bit of value to the launch line up. Mario Kart Double Dash or N64. Between 10 - 20 quid, play online with your friends, sounds fab.

Games are always more expensive at a consoles launch. Someone mentioned resistance FOM at PS3 launch costing nearly 100 euro, just have to give it a month or so. I doubt Nintendo really thinks anyone will pay x amount for 1-2 Switch or Just Dance.

iamtony · 15-01-2017 12:34PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

iamtony wrote: »

Diddy Kong Racing online would be great. GoldenEye also.

It would, though I think Goldeneye is eternally locked down by rights disputes? Maybe someone can correct me.

Plus you'd add a fair bit of value to the launch line up. Mario Kart Double Dash or N64. Between 10 - 20 quid, play online with your friends, sounds fab.

Games are always more expensive at a consoles launch. Someone mentioned resistance FOM at PS3 launch costing nearly 100 euro, just have to give it a month or so. I doubt Nintendo really thinks anyone will pay x amount for 1-2 Switch or Just Dance.

Yeah there's sonething like that going on with it.
Anyway were getting ahead of ourselves. Nes and SNES online is what I really want and if it does happen I can understand charging for them as I assume they will need a lot of work to get up and running for every game the choose to do it for individually.
Unless they can fool the game into believing the online player is just player 2 in game and that's all that's needed and the screen is basically mirrored to them.

15-01-2017 12:34PM

Pro controller is E79.99 on the Smyths website.

sligeach · 15-01-2017 12:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pro controller is E79.99 on the Smyths website.

*shakes head* :rolleyes:

Pac1Man · 15-01-2017 01:02PM

Good lord!!

Retr0gamer · 15-01-2017 01:03PM

Pac1Man wrote: »

Can anyone explain why the price of the games are so much? Will it be long before they fall in line with Sony and MS? I would never pay €70 for a game.

The RRP of Games is about 70 euros on PlayStation and one. Shops can't really lower the price to be competitive until the install base is big enough to allow them to buy more stock and bring the price down. One and PS4 after 3 years are hitting critical mass but a few years ago 70 was the going rate.

That and the fact that it's a cartridge format as well which is more expensive than disc to manufacturer... Well traditionally, the price on flash memory has plummeted.

Benzino wrote: »

They are just opinion pieces, and are no more valid than any other article. The fact is, we don't know if they use the anti-consumer tactic or not, so calling people moronic for having a different view on it is ridiculous when you can't back up your claim.

The info is there on usgamer. I just can't be arsed to track it down. It's in the comments and a podcast so a bit harder than just googling. I'm not calling people moronic for having a different view I'm calling them moronic for running their mouths off without knowing the economic and financial situation behind the decisions, something the should know if they just did their jobs. They should and could make more units? Well done, here's your degree in economics.

MilesMorales1 · 15-01-2017 01:04PM

16107489_644772399039161_8445848598616999114_o.jpg?oh=b761eaa94fa44d404f677f1b0a032955&oe=58D872D4

Hmmm.

nairy hipples · 15-01-2017 01:06PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Hmmm.

Hopefully that's a placeholder!

RobbingBandit · 15-01-2017 01:09PM

sligeach wrote: »

*shakes head* :rolleyes:

Shake Harder Boy!!!

Riesen_Meal · 15-01-2017 01:10PM

SNES emulators have been doing online multiplayer for a few years, can't imagine it will take that much coding for Nintendo to get it up and running properly with their own tools, so I don't buy that as a requisite for charging for online services...

And not giving the NES/SNES games away monthly is ridiculous, 20-30 odd year old titles we are talking about here...

I still have my pre order, but I may cancel it yet, as the days go by I am less impressed, I really just want Mario Odyssey, Zelda can wait until then and I'd say I will find a better deal at that stage...

And this is the problem for Nintendo, I haven't got a proper Ninty machine since the OG Wii, had the launch line up have been stronger I would have been throwing money at the screen on day one...

MilesMorales1 · 15-01-2017 01:14PM

£60 is.... 72 euro right now, ish? Cheaper to buy it up north or off amazon.

Though it should be much cheaper.

MilesMorales1 · 15-01-2017 01:17PM

Tantalus (Twilight Princess HD) are doing Sonic Mania for Switch.

http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/271937-tantalus-behind-sonic-mania-s-switch-release

RobbingBandit · 15-01-2017 01:24PM

Wonder with the region free will games be less likely to be regionalised or more. As I said on Friday I'm gonna need Japanese lessons for the potential import games, the worry I have is Dragon Quest coming out in Japan soon but not out here until much later.

Retr0gamer · 15-01-2017 01:28PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The info is there on usgamer. I just can't be arsed to track it down. It's in the comments and a podcast so a bit harder than just googling. I'm not calling people moronic for having a different view I'm calling them moronic for running their mouths off without knowing the economic and financial situation behind the decisions, something the should know if they just did their jobs. They should and could make more units? Well done, here's your degree in economics.

Because I'm brilliant I found some more on this including the original usgamer comment from the contributor.

Some actually quotes from economic analysts of the videogame business

http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/20/new-3ds-xl-amiibos-sold-out/

The comment here is the first in the article

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/on-nes-classic-edition-and-playing-hard-to-get

Benzino · 15-01-2017 01:54PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Because I'm brilliant I found some more on this including the original usgamer comment from the contributor.

Some actually quotes from economic analysts of the videogame business

http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/20/new-3ds-xl-amiibos-sold-out/

The comment here is the first in the article

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/on-nes-classic-edition-and-playing-hard-to-get

I hate to sound like a broken record, but again these are just views of people completely unrelated to Nintendo. The closest we get to anything official from Nintendo is one guy seeing "a twinkle" in an execs eye.

It doesn't matter if they are analysts, they can talk as much crap as the next guy, just see some of stuff Michael Pachter comes out with.

There is nothing official from Nintendo (and there won't be), so questioning it is fair game.

Ace Attorney · 15-01-2017 02:05PM

i really hope the accessory and game prices are placeholders >70 for a pro controller and 70 quid games are awful expensive, even if they are that i would happily import them now that switch is region free.

15-01-2017 02:17PM

Am I allowed to complain that there still seems to be no proper Metroid game in the works?
It's nearly on par with Half Life 3 levels of annoyance

FAILSAFE 00 · 15-01-2017 02:20PM

Ace Attorney wrote: »

i really hope the accessory and game prices are placeholders >70 for a pro controller and 70 quid games are awful expensive, even if they are that i would happily import them now that switch is region free.

People are going to end up spending crazy money on this console. Expensive games, expensive necessary controllers, expensive peripherals and of course expensive console.

Mad money when the biggest hit on the Switch for the entire year is also coming out on the Wii U.

The whole under supplying the market with barely any stock is now the hallmark of Nintendo greed. Frustrating for the fans.

CiDeRmAn · 15-01-2017 02:22PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Am I allowed to complain that there still seems to be no proper Metroid game in the works?
It's nearly on par with Half Life 3 levels of annoyance

The WiiU had no Metroid title but the Wii had two, not including the magnificent Metroid Prime Trilogy, which was alsoade available on the WiiU via VC.

I really would love to see a new Metroid title though, you're not wrong.

MilesMorales1 · 15-01-2017 02:24PM

Federation force is a thing that exists...right? Well the ending hints at another metroid game anyway.

15-01-2017 02:27PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The WiiU had no Metroid title but the Wii had two, not including the magnificent Metroid Prime Trilogy, which was alsoade available on the WiiU via VC.

I really would love to see a new Metroid title though, you're not wrong.

Prime 3 was class
Other M was a guilty pleasure IMO

But it's been over 7 years

I would love to see something like a direct sequal to Super Metroid on a home console (Yes I know, Metroid Fusion exists on handhelds)

Ace Attorney · 15-01-2017 02:35PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

It would, though I think Goldeneye is eternally locked down by rights disputes? Maybe someone can correct me.

Plus you'd add a fair bit of value to the launch line up. Mario Kart Double Dash or N64. Between 10 - 20 quid, play online with your friends, sounds fab.

Imagine mario kart 64 online, definitely need a boards 64 or DD race!

Gizmo55 · 15-01-2017 02:35PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Am I allowed to complain that there still seems to be no proper Metroid game in the works?
It's nearly on par with Half Life 3 levels of annoyance

Much as I love Zelda and Mario I'd pay silly money for a new Metroid.

RobbingBandit · 15-01-2017 02:37PM

Need to see a new Metal Gear Solid, a Castlevania revival and what ever the newest version of the Marvel vs beat em up is on the switch before Christmas.

Retr0gamer · 15-01-2017 02:39PM

Benzino wrote: »

I hate to sound like a broken record, but again these are just views of people completely unrelated to Nintendo. The closest we get to anything official from Nintendo is one guy seeing "a twinkle" in an execs eye.

It doesn't matter if they are analysts, they can talk as much crap as the next guy, just see some of stuff Michael Pachter comes out with.

There is nothing official from Nintendo (and there won't be), so questioning it is fair game.

Well I'd rather take an informed researched opinion rather than the opinion of som mouth piece on a forum or over at giant bomb or easy allies.

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

People are going to end up spending crazy money on this console. Expensive games, expensive necessary controllers, expensive peripherals and of course expensive console.

Mad money when the biggest hit on the Switch for the entire year is also coming out on the Wii U.

Well other than a SD card I don't see how any of those peripherals are necessary at all. You get everything you need in the box. It's not like the over inflated vita memory cards which are pretty much essential.

CiDeRmAn · 15-01-2017 02:43PM

Benzino wrote: »

I hate to sound like a broken record, but again these are just views of people completely unrelated to Nintendo. The closest we get to anything official from Nintendo is one guy seeing "a twinkle" in an execs eye.

It doesn't matter if they are analysts, they can talk as much crap as the next guy, just see some of stuff Michael Pachter comes out with.

There is nothing official from Nintendo (and there won't be), so questioning it is fair game.

Ah now.
Anyone can have an opinion, true.
The internet is full of opinions.
But there's informed opinion and the other kind.
And the stuff Retr0 linked to is informed opinion.
You have to gain knowledge somewhere, just some think this means watching a 10 minute Youtube video of a shouty person or a panel giving opinions, on IGN or elsewhere.
Some others it means looking at sales and financial statements by companies, stockholders meetings and even a companies corporate structure, to get a better idea of why they do things in a certain way and why.
MS, Sony and Nintendo are three quite different entities, and will conduct their business differently.
Tbh, if one of them is ever likely to disappear from the standalone console market, it will be MS, as the Xbox increasingly occupies the space that the Steam Machines were supposed to, a easy to digest alternative to owning a gaming PC.
And no one needs to see a gaming universe dominated by just one company, and the self limiting nature of such an arrangement.

Riesen_Meal · 15-01-2017 02:46PM

For this reveal, Metroid was heavily rumoured....

Even a placeholder logo would have been nice...

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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