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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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http://kotaku.com/nintendos-next-console-is-code-named-the-nintendo-nx-1691867268

"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business", Iwata adds, "let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand new concept under the development codename 'NX'."

And...that's it. Iwata says Nintendo will share more information about the new hardware "next year".

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FAILSAFE 00

Benzino wrote: »

....My impression is that they don't really care too much about it at this stage. I think E3 will be very telling about how invested they are, they really need a bunch of exclusives to get people on board and to back Scorpio.

Really :rolleyes:

They are killing it. Phil Spencer's Xbox division brought the Xbox One back from absolute disaster to a major success.

On its own free backward compatibility on Xbox One is a winner for this gen.

All Scorpio has to do is run multiplayer platform titles better than PS Pro and they will clean up. All this talk of exclusives. The mass market of gamers don't care. They simply want the best possible experience while playing their multiplatform titles. PS4 success is mostly down it being the more powerful console of this gen and Microsoft making a balls of Xbox One pre-release.

I do hope that they focus on more exclusives but lets face it the more powerful console will clean up which is actually worrying because Xbox have been delivering so much because they have been playing catch up behind the market leader. My only hope is that they don't get complacent once they start outselling PS4.

Gizmo55

I think people are underestimating how many people like to have the most powerful console. The latest and greatest blah blah blah. As I said, there's room for both imo.

ThisRegard

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think there'll be a difficulty in convincing owners of the XB and PS that the update to a Scorpio or Pro is going to be worth it, especially when 4k TVs are still a novelty rather than typical.

Plenty seemed to have traded up to an S or Pro from the standard version based on various forums I read at the time.

sligeach

Nintendo training the next generation of would be criminals.

https://twitter.com/NintendoUK/status/820337208414478337

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well I'd rather take an informed researched opinion rather than the opinion of som mouth piece on a forum or over at giant bomb or easy allies.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Ah now.
Anyone can have an opinion, true.
The internet is full of opinions.
But there's informed opinion and the other kind.
And the stuff Retr0 linked to is informed opinion.
You have to gain knowledge somewhere, just some think this means watching a 10 minute Youtube video of a shouty person or a panel giving opinions, on IGN or elsewhere.

Well this is going around in circles, so this will be my last on it.

What the analysts say is correct, it's a valid strategy that is used by companies. What Easy Allies and the other "mouth pieces" say, is also correct, it's a valid strategy used by companies (some of the articles posted by Retro even talk about it and how Nintendo likely used it in the past).

If you ask these analysts do companies purposely create scarcity with their products to promote sales, they would say yes. It's been done, we all know this. So when they say Nintendo are just been cautious, they are just guessing. Why they chose that option, I dunno. It's probably the most common reason for it. But at the end of the day, informed or not, it's just a guess as they do not work for Nintendo, so can't possibly no.

So you can slag off Easy Allies and the like all you want, but there is just as much evidence that they are correct as there is that the analysts are correct.

My point is, calling people moronic or brushing off suggestions that Nintendo purposely under supply is ridiculous, cause there is nothing to prove it's correct or incorrect.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Tbh, if one of them is ever likely to disappear from the standalone console market, it will be MS, as the Xbox increasingly occupies the space that the Steam Machines were supposed to, a easy to digest alternative to owning a gaming PC.
And no one needs to see a gaming universe dominated by just one company, and the self limiting nature of such an arrangement.

I'd agree, but I think MS will likely just exit it on their own accord. My impression is that they don't really care too much about it at this stage. I think E3 will be very telling about how invested they are, they really need a bunch of exclusives to get people on board and to back Scorpio.

McLoughlin

Aokay wrote: »

I think Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Switch is all wrong. They're saying that it's primarily a home console that you can also happen to take on the go. The Switch's portability should be at the forefront of its marketing and it should be treated as a successor to both the 3DS AND Wii U.
Nintendo have confirmed that the 3DS and Wii U will coexist side by side and the way they're approaching it makes me think that the 3DS will have a successor next year or the year after. Nintendo should really only have one system on the market that they can dedicate all their man power to. That in itself would be such a big selling point.

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I swear there were comments from Nintendo about the Game Boy and DS line co existing and well we know what happened

Danonino.

Y'know what I wanna see?

Viewtiful Joe 3, have it funded by Nintendo, developed by Platinum and I guess pay off Capcom cause they probably own the rights etc.

The wonderful 102,

Ultra Ghouls and Ghosts - Like Ultra Street Fighter 2, original sprite design but remastered to 16:9 new areas, bosses, weapons.

Outsource to Sega and have F-Zero GX deluxe or a new F-Zero and either Super Monkey Ball 1+2 remaster or just Super Monkey Ball switch (none of the adventure or tilt control nonsense)

Star Fox Zero Switch edition - Yep, just get Star fox zero, cut the second screen and stuff not essential. Option for stick controls, online and local battle mode.

A new Metroid - a proper metroid. I consider the Primes to be proper but a metroidvania I'd be happy with too. Retro studios are making something and have been for at least 3+ years.

Paper Mario and the thousand year door 2 - please

1080 snowboarding - a new 1080 would be awesome. NOT open world, not SSX, make it like the best parts of the original and avalanche. I still throw these on from time to time.

The Dark Souls switch remaster that was rumoured a while back.

Pokémon stars or someone called it Pokémon ECLIPSE which is a waaaaaaay better name.

I'd take a new advance wars too.

That'd be sweet.

Pro controllers being €70 is'nt that shocking. They are overpriced but not by much. Hell Xbox one and Dual shock 4s are between €55 and €80 new. Controllers are always expensive nonsense. I'll have to wait and see how the joycon feels. For all we know it'll be perfectly fine like how the Wii U gamepad looked like it'd be a nightmare but was actually lovely to use outside of proper triggers.

Aokay

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think there'll be a difficulty in convincing owners of the XB and PS that the update to a Scorpio or Pro is going to be worth it, especially when 4k TVs are still a novelty rather than typical.
On the other hand, I think there's plenty of scope for people, living with their 3DS consoles for ages, moving naturally to the Switch as an upgrade.
I can see this because, as well as everything else I have, the 3DS has been a cracking source of gaming goodness for years now, and much of that was done at home rather than elsewhere.
The Switch has the potential to tap into this niche and expand it, which has the potential of making it the most popular console of all.
Instead of seeing it as a PS4 competitor with a smaller library, think of it as a 3DS successor with the potential to bring an entirely new range of titles, Skyrim/Fallout/Dark Souls to the portable gaming market, along with the Fire Emblems, Etrian Odyssey's and Pokemon games.

I think Nintendo's marketing strategy for the Switch is all wrong. They're saying that it's primarily a home console that you can also happen to take on the go. The Switch's portability should be at the forefront of its marketing and it should be treated as a successor to both the 3DS AND Wii U.
Nintendo have confirmed that the 3DS and Wii U will coexist side by side and the way they're approaching it makes me think that the 3DS will have a successor next year or the year after. Nintendo should really only have one system on the market that they can dedicate all their man power to. That in itself would be such a big selling point.

Gizmo55

I agree with most of what you're saying. But I think MS have made a wise move by holding out for a year re Scorpio, til 4k tv's reduce in price, which they already are. Nintendo Switch will have a better games line up too by Christmas which is why I can see them both selling well then.

CiDeRmAn

Andrew76 wrote: »

Except a game to play. :P

Expensive console launches are nothing new anyway and as has been mentioned before, launch line-ups are mostly always very bare (which makes it puzzling why folks haven't learned from that and continue to put up with it).

It will be very interesting to see how the first 6 months go and how the online pans out. Also, they really need to re-think their strategy on those paid for monthly games that they will remove after the month is up - that's an insult to Nintendo fans.

That's a big one for me, it's not going to make me withdraw my preorder but it certainly gives me pause that Nintendo either put no value on goodwill towards consumers or, more likely, put way too much stock in the potential of ongoing sales of their legacy titles.
I know Super Mario Bros 3 is sublime in a way that Crash Bandicoot is not, but as a Nintendo service subscriber they really need to give us something back.
Perhaps if we had a selection of available titles each month and could only select one, but possession of that one would be as long as we are subscribers, it would avoid devaluing the Nintendo back catalogue while giving something back.

CiDeRmAn

Gizmo55 wrote: »

Next Christmas will tell a lot, with Mario coming out for Switch and Scorpio releasing. There's room for both of course.

I think there'll be a difficulty in convincing owners of the XB and PS that the update to a Scorpio or Pro is going to be worth it, especially when 4k TVs are still a novelty rather than typical.
On the other hand, I think there's plenty of scope for people, living with their 3DS consoles for ages, moving naturally to the Switch as an upgrade.
I can see this because, as well as everything else I have, the 3DS has been a cracking source of gaming goodness for years now, and much of that was done at home rather than elsewhere.
The Switch has the potential to tap into this niche and expand it, which has the potential of making it the most popular console of all.
Instead of seeing it as a PS4 competitor with a smaller library, think of it as a 3DS successor with the potential to bring an entirely new range of titles, Skyrim/Fallout/Dark Souls to the portable gaming market, along with the Fire Emblems, Etrian Odyssey's and Pokemon games.

Gizmo55

Next Christmas will tell a lot, with Mario coming out for Switch and Scorpio releasing. There's room for both of course.

Andrew76

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You get everything you need in the box.

Except a game to play. :P

Expensive console launches are nothing new anyway and as has been mentioned before, launch line-ups are mostly always very bare (which makes it puzzling why folks haven't learned from that and continue to put up with it).

It will be very interesting to see how the first 6 months go and how the online pans out. Also, they really need to re-think their strategy on those paid for monthly games that they will remove after the month is up - that's an insult to Nintendo fans.

[Deleted User]

For this reveal, Metroid was heavily rumoured....

Even a placeholder logo would have been nice...

CiDeRmAn

Benzino wrote: »

I hate to sound like a broken record, but again these are just views of people completely unrelated to Nintendo. The closest we get to anything official from Nintendo is one guy seeing "a twinkle" in an execs eye.

It doesn't matter if they are analysts, they can talk as much crap as the next guy, just see some of stuff Michael Pachter comes out with.

There is nothing official from Nintendo (and there won't be), so questioning it is fair game.

Ah now.
Anyone can have an opinion, true.
The internet is full of opinions.
But there's informed opinion and the other kind.
And the stuff Retr0 linked to is informed opinion.
You have to gain knowledge somewhere, just some think this means watching a 10 minute Youtube video of a shouty person or a panel giving opinions, on IGN or elsewhere.
Some others it means looking at sales and financial statements by companies, stockholders meetings and even a companies corporate structure, to get a better idea of why they do things in a certain way and why.
MS, Sony and Nintendo are three quite different entities, and will conduct their business differently.
Tbh, if one of them is ever likely to disappear from the standalone console market, it will be MS, as the Xbox increasingly occupies the space that the Steam Machines were supposed to, a easy to digest alternative to owning a gaming PC.
And no one needs to see a gaming universe dominated by just one company, and the self limiting nature of such an arrangement.

Retr0gamer

Benzino wrote: »

I hate to sound like a broken record, but again these are just views of people completely unrelated to Nintendo. The closest we get to anything official from Nintendo is one guy seeing "a twinkle" in an execs eye.

It doesn't matter if they are analysts, they can talk as much crap as the next guy, just see some of stuff Michael Pachter comes out with.

There is nothing official from Nintendo (and there won't be), so questioning it is fair game.

Well I'd rather take an informed researched opinion rather than the opinion of som mouth piece on a forum or over at giant bomb or easy allies.

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

People are going to end up spending crazy money on this console. Expensive games, expensive necessary controllers, expensive peripherals and of course expensive console.

Mad money when the biggest hit on the Switch for the entire year is also coming out on the Wii U.

Well other than a SD card I don't see how any of those peripherals are necessary at all. You get everything you need in the box. It's not like the over inflated vita memory cards which are pretty much essential.

RobbingBandit

Need to see a new Metal Gear Solid, a Castlevania revival and what ever the newest version of the Marvel vs beat em up is on the switch before Christmas.

Gizmo55

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Am I allowed to complain that there still seems to be no proper Metroid game in the works?
It's nearly on par with Half Life 3 levels of annoyance

Much as I love Zelda and Mario I'd pay silly money for a new Metroid.

Ace Attorney

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

It would, though I think Goldeneye is eternally locked down by rights disputes? Maybe someone can correct me.

Plus you'd add a fair bit of value to the launch line up. Mario Kart Double Dash or N64. Between 10 - 20 quid, play online with your friends, sounds fab.

Imagine mario kart 64 online, definitely need a boards 64 or DD race!

[Deleted User]

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The WiiU had no Metroid title but the Wii had two, not including the magnificent Metroid Prime Trilogy, which was alsoade available on the WiiU via VC.

I really would love to see a new Metroid title though, you're not wrong.

Prime 3 was class
Other M was a guilty pleasure IMO

But it's been over 7 years

I would love to see something like a direct sequal to Super Metroid on a home console (Yes I know, Metroid Fusion exists on handhelds)

MilesMorales1

Federation force is a thing that exists...right? Well the ending hints at another metroid game anyway.

CiDeRmAn

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Am I allowed to complain that there still seems to be no proper Metroid game in the works?
It's nearly on par with Half Life 3 levels of annoyance

The WiiU had no Metroid title but the Wii had two, not including the magnificent Metroid Prime Trilogy, which was alsoade available on the WiiU via VC.

I really would love to see a new Metroid title though, you're not wrong.

FAILSAFE 00

Ace Attorney wrote: »

i really hope the accessory and game prices are placeholders >70 for a pro controller and 70 quid games are awful expensive, even if they are that i would happily import them now that switch is region free.

People are going to end up spending crazy money on this console. Expensive games, expensive necessary controllers, expensive peripherals and of course expensive console.

Mad money when the biggest hit on the Switch for the entire year is also coming out on the Wii U.

The whole under supplying the market with barely any stock is now the hallmark of Nintendo greed. Frustrating for the fans.

[Deleted User]

Am I allowed to complain that there still seems to be no proper Metroid game in the works?
It's nearly on par with Half Life 3 levels of annoyance

Ace Attorney

i really hope the accessory and game prices are placeholders >70 for a pro controller and 70 quid games are awful expensive, even if they are that i would happily import them now that switch is region free.

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Because I'm brilliant I found some more on this including the original usgamer comment from the contributor.

Some actually quotes from economic analysts of the videogame business

http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/20/new-3ds-xl-amiibos-sold-out/

The comment here is the first in the article

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/on-nes-classic-edition-and-playing-hard-to-get

I hate to sound like a broken record, but again these are just views of people completely unrelated to Nintendo. The closest we get to anything official from Nintendo is one guy seeing "a twinkle" in an execs eye.

It doesn't matter if they are analysts, they can talk as much crap as the next guy, just see some of stuff Michael Pachter comes out with.

There is nothing official from Nintendo (and there won't be), so questioning it is fair game.

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The info is there on usgamer. I just can't be arsed to track it down. It's in the comments and a podcast so a bit harder than just googling. I'm not calling people moronic for having a different view I'm calling them moronic for running their mouths off without knowing the economic and financial situation behind the decisions, something the should know if they just did their jobs. They should and could make more units? Well done, here's your degree in economics.

Because I'm brilliant I found some more on this including the original usgamer comment from the contributor.

Some actually quotes from economic analysts of the videogame business

http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/20/new-3ds-xl-amiibos-sold-out/

The comment here is the first in the article

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/on-nes-classic-edition-and-playing-hard-to-get

RobbingBandit

Wonder with the region free will games be less likely to be regionalised or more. As I said on Friday I'm gonna need Japanese lessons for the potential import games, the worry I have is Dragon Quest coming out in Japan soon but not out here until much later.

MilesMorales1

Tantalus (Twilight Princess HD) are doing Sonic Mania for Switch.

http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/271937-tantalus-behind-sonic-mania-s-switch-release

MilesMorales1

£60 is.... 72 euro right now, ish? Cheaper to buy it up north or off amazon.

Though it should be much cheaper.