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A Little Pony · 14-01-2017 02:29PM

FatherTed wrote: »

InTheTrees wrote: »

It is really incredible that the republicans want to fully revert to a broken inefficient barely workable system.

Have they completely forgotten how healthcare reform has been an election issue since the 1980's?

And their entire "plan" to replace the ACA seems to be the old "Health Savings Accounts" where people can save money to pay for medical expenses before tax. Wohoo. In a country where a broken leg can cost you $20,000, or $30,000/year to treat a diabetic, thats not going to help much.

Agreed. Or the repubs have no plan. The repubs and trump have been talking about overturning ACA since 2010 - 7 years. So they've had 7 years to come up with something and what do they produce? Nada/zilch/nothing. Now their supporters expect them to suddenly produce something better now but it won't happen. These repub and trump idiots have no idea what they're going to do so my guess is that they'll announce plans to get rid of ACA but not actually do it and say of its so complicated it will take 4 years to come up with a new plan so they can try to ride the next election cycles out.

A Little Pony wrote: »

Wikileaks has released thousands of emails and information. The fact some people think they would just design and make those emails up is laughable. Why can't some just accept they got caught out? Hillary is well known for her corruption. It was one of the reasons she lost.

My problem with assange is that he is selective for his own good. He'll only release stuff that won't incriminate him or this supporters e.g. the repubs and trump. His goal with the Clinton/DNC emails was to prevent her from getting elected so she wouldn't appoint someone to come after him.

Obviously but in truth the hack would not have mattered if nothing had been in the emails which showed her in a terrible light. That is not Assange fault, it is her fault and the DNC. The argument against releasing them is basically people saying we know she is corrupt but don't want it out in the open.

FatherTed · 14-01-2017 02:41PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Obviously but in truth the hack would not have mattered if nothing had been in the emails which showed her in a terrible light. That is not Assange fault, it is her fault and the DNC. The argument against releasing them is basically people saying we know she is corrupt but don't want it out in the open.

Clinton is a corrupt and despicable person, I didn't need any emails to tell me that. My point is the Assange is selective and ultimately it benefits him. I'm sure he has info on the repubs and trump that he won't release.

FA Hayek · 14-01-2017 02:55PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Reagan stopped the public mental health programs. Those people were pushed out onto the street and a large proportion of them end up in prison today.

Can you be specific please? What mental programs were these and how many of them went onto prison?

PopePalpatine · 14-01-2017 04:08PM

FatherTed wrote: »

Agreed. Or the repubs have no plan. The repubs and trump have been talking about overturning ACA since 2010 - 7 years. So they've had 7 years to come up with something and what do they produce? Nada/zilch/nothing. Now their supporters expect them to suddenly produce something better now but it won't happen. These repub and trump idiots have no idea what they're going to do so my guess is that they'll announce plans to get rid of ACA but not actually do it and say of its so complicated it will take 4 years to come up with a new plan so they can try to ride the next election cycles out.

Ah here, abandoning millions of poor people to the whims of the free market isn't "nada".

Cheerful Spring · 14-01-2017 04:16PM

One week to go and this guy will have the launch codes to nuclear weapons, scary. Trump is the scariest leader to emerge since Hitler and say what you like about Hitler i bet he pass an IQ test and Trump would fail it. Trump foreign policy agenda scares me because he be likely to be a hothead and do what he likes and not care till it's too late to turn the clock back. Trump clearly has shown he does not understand international norms when he said the One China Policy ( regarding Taiwan should be negotiated with China) Trump clearly does not understand why this should remain. For 40 years this policy has stopped China from invading Taiwan and kept the peace. Hes an idiot to think he can use this as a bargain chip.

BabyCheeses · 14-01-2017 04:33PM

FatherTed wrote: »

Clinton is a corrupt and despicable person, I didn't need any emails to tell me that. My point is the Assange is selective and ultimately it benefits him. I'm sure he has info on the repubs and trump that he won't release.

Plus if you look at their twitter you see them sharing news articles about pissgate being wrong, them selling dicking bimbos t shirts, linking to Trump supporters for their analysis of the emails. They put a lot of effort into being pro Trump beyond leaking documents.

InTheTrees · 14-01-2017 04:59PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

InTheTrees wrote: »

Reagan stopped the public mental health programs. Those people were pushed out onto the street and a large proportion of them end up in prison today.

Can you be specific please? What mental programs were these and how many of them went onto prison?

No. It's just part of the culture here. The mentally handicapped are out on the street and everyone knows it was Regan's policies that kicked them out of the hospitals.
Similarly the prison system is essentially used as long term care for the mentally handicapped. Where else would they go? And whos going to pay?

Richard Hillman · 14-01-2017 04:59PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

One week to go and this guy will have the launch codes to nuclear weapons, scary. Trump is the scariest leader to emerge since Hitler and say what you like about Hitler i bet he pass an IQ test and Trump would fail it. Trump foreign policy agenda scares me because he be likely to be a hothead and do what he likes and not care till it's too late to turn the clock back. Trump clearly has shown he does not understand international norms when he said the One China Policy ( regarding Taiwan should be negotiated with China) Trump clearly does not understand why this should remain. For 40 years this policy has stopped China from invading Taiwan and kept the peace. Hes an idiot to think he can use this as a bargain chip.

He doesn't play by regular rules or "norms", this is why people voted for him.

130Kph · 14-01-2017 05:23PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

One week to go and this guy will have the launch codes to nuclear weapons, scary. Trump is the scariest leader to emerge since Hitler and say what you like about Hitler i bet he pass an IQ test and Trump would fail it...

I saw a clickbait article the other day that claims Melania has a very high IQ (it didn’t give the number). Maybe he didn’t want to release his tax returns because she’d see his 'wealth' could be less than 1% of the $7billion or whatever he ‘braggadociously’ boasts it is now.

So maybe he’s afraid she’d bolt for an actual billionaire while she still has her looks :eek:

Winterlong · 14-01-2017 05:25PM

Put some bets on with paddy power today.

Trump to be impeached in first 6 months of Presidency @ 4/1
Golden Shower footage to appear on RedTube @ 5/1
To NOT complete his 1st term in office @ 7/4
To Split from Melania in 2017 @ 16/1

ChikiChiki · 14-01-2017 05:38PM

Trumps been on Twitter again this time attacking a congressman who has decided not to attend his inauguration. The man can't control himself. He's too stupid to realise he is drawing even more attention to the fact the congressman won't be attending.

Said congressman marched alongside Martin Luther King. Bad move Donald.

HellSquirrel · 14-01-2017 05:39PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

He doesn't play by regular rules or "norms", this is why people voted for him.

Which is lovely for them, I'm sure, but we're already seeing why those damn norms are in place.

Why is there a norm that presidents release their tax returns?
Because a country doesn't want to be electing a president compromised by debts to either companies, individuals or, for heaven's sake, hostile powers. The US knows feck-all about his business connections and he's doing his damnedest to keep it that way.

Why is it a norm to divest businesses on assuming the presidency?
Because it is a temptation to enrich oneself with the use of the position, it would be very easy to and it would be hard to prevent. So it's down to relying on Mr. Trump's own sense of ..honour...oh...right..

Why is it a norm that president-elects don't use twitter (or anything else) to publically market goods (L.L. Bean).
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/linda-bean-ll-bean-boycott.html
Why - because some people called for a boycott of L.L. Bean for supporting him. Is this childish? Yes, it is, but it's something that people do when they are particularly enraged and it either works or, more often, it does not.

So the president-elect shows himself open to marketing goods for companies. Likewise, he shows himself open to acting against individual companies (Boeing) and/or benefitting them publically when he wishes (Carrier). This brings of the office of the president into market politics at the level of individual companies. There is no way he can affect them all similarily, so specific companies will be either bribed (Carrier) or threatened (again, Boeing) to do what he wants them to do. This is not capitalism, this is closer to totalitarianism.

The annoying thing is, I doubt he particularly intended it. This is not a man that looks at the long-term.

Why is it a norm that presidents don't get chatty on the phone to the leader of Taiwan?
Because China. While I actually personally lean pro-Taiwan's right to make an independent go at things, and I think their general outlook, political system and social system does not lend itself well to being subsumed by China, it is a long-standing issue in the Asian pacific and if one is going to interfere in it and raise China's ire, one had better be damned sure of what Step 2 is. Already China, being aggravated, is making threatening gestures at Taiwan
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/taiwan-urges-calm-chinese-warship-enters-strait-170111092551306.html
and Taiwan is losing democratic allies - and they didn't have many to start with, and there is no indication from the "Let's Make America Isolationist Again" U.S. that, having provoked this round, they'll do anything to support it. Great, so a bit less stable in the Asian Pacific, nice job, Mr. President Elect.

Why is it a norm not to encourage a freaking arms race?
C'mon, does this even need explanation?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/23/trump-to-putin-lets-have-a-nuclear-arms-race.html
Why - "until the world comes to its senses about nuclear proliferation" is a decent sentence until you get to the bit where his idea of helping the world do so is to make more of them, bigger ones and more powerful ones.

Until the world comes to its senses about obesity, let's have bigger, better, more explosive pancakes.

Man's not even inaugerated and already the world is actually, objectively, a less safe place.

This is why the norms are there. Just because something has become a norm does not mean it is de facto time to break it. At least not all at once. And especially when you don't have any plans to address the problems that the norm has prevented becoming massive problems.

We're actually in a world where superpowers are talking about nuclear warfare. This is not a good place to be in.
US - “The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes,” Trump, 22 Dec, 2016.
Russia - "We need to enhance the combat capability of strategic nuclear forces, primarily by strengthening missile complexes that will be guaranteed to penetrate existing and future missile defense systems," Putin, Dec 2016. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/22/putin-russias-military-is-stronger-than-any-potential-aggressor.html
China - http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/china-trump-one-china-reaction/ This one is a bit hairier, as while China did a flyby around Taiwan with nuclear-capable bombers, they'd also done as much beforehand. But Trump wants to force China into helping against North Korea by insulting one of their cornerstones. This is not going to work. Not with China.

Oh, and North Korea continues to get nuclear with haste and about as much common sense as one would expect from North Korea, which is none.

dudara · 14-01-2017 05:48PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Trumps been on Twitter again this time attacking a congressman who has decided not to attend his inauguration. The man can't control himself. He's too stupid to realise he is drawing even more attention to the fact the congressman won't be attending.

Said congressman marched alongside Martin Luther King. Bad move Donald.

Trump tweeted the following about Congressman John Lewis(bold my addition). Lewis is a famous civil rights activist who marched with Martin Luther King Jnr.

Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results.

All talk, talk, talk - no action or results. Sad!

Now realistically, this is hardly likely to cause any damage to Trump. He's truly Teflon. But his constant need to attack, without any time to think, and without knowing facts is both extremely worrying and, at this stage, extremely tiresome.

What I also find irritating is there are occasional good ideas buried in amongst the deluge of inane sh*te he spouts. His recent comments on bring down pharma prices are to be acknowledged. But it's hard to hear these worthwhile things in the middle of all his ego and delusion.

One final thing, I find this "right vs left" debate hilarious in the context of Trump. He is neither.

billyhead · 14-01-2017 05:58PM

I like Trump. Says what he thinks and I think people will be pleasantly surprised when he takes office how good his presidency will be for Americans. He will surround himself by an excellent administration and not once did he come across as been a racist. He said he will get rid of illegal immigrants not immigrants. I would do likewise if I took the top job in the states. I don't think he is as stupid as people think. He couldn't be to make all that money. Those whom oppose his presidency are jumping on the whole social media background that he stupid, a racist, bigot, sexist etc. His remarks about women that were recorded without his consent was typical man talk in the locker room. Be live me you will hear a lot worse talk among st women and men on a social night out. Give the man a break and judge him after a year in office

BabyCheeses · 14-01-2017 06:09PM

billyhead wrote: »

I like Trump. Says what he thinks and I think people will be pleasantly surprised when he takes office how good his presidency will be for Americans. He will surround himself by an excellent administration and not once did he come across as been a racist. He said he will get rid of illegal immigrants not immigrants. I would do likewise if I took the top job in the states. I don't think he is as stupid as people think. He couldn't be to make all that money. Those whom oppose his presidency are jumping on the whole social media background that he stupid, a racist, bigot, sexist etc. His remarks about women that were recorded without his consent was typical man talk in the locker room. Be live me you will hear a lot worse talk among st women and men on a social night out. Give the man a break and judge him after a year in office

Is it bad when sarcasm and Trump supporters have become indistinguishable?

orubiru · 14-01-2017 07:11PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Trump is the scariest leader to emerge since Hitler.

Have they stopped teaching History in schools?

Sonics2k · 14-01-2017 07:25PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

One week to go and this guy will have the launch codes to nuclear weapons, scary. Trump is the scariest leader to emerge since Hitler and say what you like about Hitler i bet he pass an IQ test and Trump would fail it. Trump foreign policy agenda scares me because he be likely to be a hothead and do what he likes and not care till it's too late to turn the clock back. Trump clearly has shown he does not understand international norms when he said the One China Policy ( regarding Taiwan should be negotiated with China) Trump clearly does not understand why this should remain. For 40 years this policy has stopped China from invading Taiwan and kept the peace. Hes an idiot to think he can use this as a bargain chip.

Ah now.

Trump is a loud mouthed, incompetent, inconsiderate and quited bigoted moron with an IQ in the double digit range, but he is absolutely nothing compared to Hitler who was basically the epitome of evil in humanity, though he had nothing on Himmler.

Igotadose · 14-01-2017 07:34PM

It just gets better and better :http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/trump-taps-steve-harvey-to-bring-change-to-chicago-other-cities/

Summary: Steve Harvey, host of Family Feud, and a well known comedian, is now going to help Ben Carson, wingnut head of the department of Health and Human Services, with inner city issues.

Not clear from the article exactly what Harvey's role will be. Probably just Trump trolling the media some more to distract from something more glaring.

Maybe it was because Harvey gained some notoriety for fouling up who won some beauty contest last year, might've been one of Trump's.

Grayson · 14-01-2017 08:25PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Ah now.

Trump is a loud mouthed, incompetent, inconsiderate and quited bigoted moron with an IQ in the double digit range, but he is absolutely nothing compared to Hitler who was basically the epitome of evil in humanity, though he had nothing on Himmler.

He'll also have access to the most powerful army in the world with enough nuclear weapons to wipe out humanity.

A Little Pony · 14-01-2017 09:00PM

Remember things did get released about Trump. Do people not remember the tape with him and Billy Bush? Probably the most embarrassing scandal for decades and yet it made no difference to him, he still blitzed her. So for me I don't think it would have mattered what came out about Trump, Hillary wasn't going to beat him with blue collar workers and he knocked the blue wall down.

Sonics2k · 14-01-2017 09:54PM

Grayson wrote: »

He'll also have access to the most powerful army in the world with enough nuclear weapons to wipe out humanity.

Doesn't matter. It's a different time and contrary to popular belief, the US President can't just launch nukes whenever he feels like it.

Grayson · 14-01-2017 10:00PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Doesn't matter. It's a different time and contrary to popular belief, the US President can't just launch nukes whenever he feels like it.

He can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

Before the order can be processed by the military, the president must be positively identified using a special code issued on a plastic card, nicknamed the "biscuit".[5] The United States has a two-man rule in place at the nuclear launch facilities, and while only the president can order the release of nuclear weapons, the order must be verified to be an authentic order given by the president by the Secretary of Defense (there is a hierarchy of succession in the event that the president is killed in an attack). This verification process deals solely with verifying that the order came from the actual President. The Secretary of Defense has no veto power and must comply with the president's order.[5] Once all the codes have been verified, the military would issue attack orders to the proper units. These orders are given and then re-verified for authenticity. It is argued that the President has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack since the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot legally veto it.[6][7][8]............

Journalist Ron Rosenbaum has pointed out that the operational plan for nuclear strike orders is entirely concerned with the identity of the commanding officer and the authenticity of the order, and there are no safeguards to verify that the person issuing the order is actually sane.[10] Notably, Major Harold Hering was discharged from the Air Force for asking the question "How can I know that an order I receive to launch my missiles came from a sane president?"[11]

Grayson · 14-01-2017 10:05PM

and the way it could be stopped.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/nuclear-weapons-trump-2016-12?r=US&IR=T

The only measure that could be taken at home, Blair said, is the invoking of Section 4 of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution — which has never been used.

That section allows for the vice president, together with a majority of Cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the president disabled and unfit to execute the duties of the office. The vice president would have to submit a written declaration to the speaker of the House and president pro tempore of the Senate explaining why the president is unable to fulfill his duties. If approved, the vice president would take over.

Blair called that "the only thing" government officials "could possibly do" in such a situation.

red ears · 14-01-2017 10:34PM

Give the poor aul donald a chance. Maybe he will turn out ok.

el diablo · 14-01-2017 10:39PM

Possible coup and/or assassination attempt around inauguration time.
The Donald will need to be on his toes next week. :cool:

el diablo · 14-01-2017 10:52PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

One week to go and this guy will have the launch codes to nuclear weapons, scary. Trump is the scariest leader to emerge since Hitler and say what you like about Hitler i bet he pass an IQ test and Trump would fail it. Trump foreign policy agenda scares me because he be likely to be a hothead and do what he likes and not care till it's too late to turn the clock back. Trump clearly has shown he does not understand international norms when he said the One China Policy ( regarding Taiwan should be negotiated with China) Trump clearly does not understand why this should remain. For 40 years this policy has stopped China from invading Taiwan and kept the peace. Hes an idiot to think he can use this as a bargain chip.

Grayson wrote: »

He'll also have access to the most powerful army in the world with enough nuclear weapons to wipe out humanity.

Do you people honestly believe that Bill Clinton's psychopathic war criminal of a wife would've been a safer pair of hands with the nuclear codes at her disposal?

PopePalpatine · 14-01-2017 10:54PM

Are you allergic to just saying "Hillary Clinton"? Do you refer to Sarah Palin as "Todd Palin's wife"?

ZeroThreat · 14-01-2017 10:55PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Are you allergic to just saying "Hillary Clinton"? Do you refer to Sarah Palin as "Todd Palin's wife"?

Todd Palin was and is a nobody however, unlike slick Billy

humanji · 14-01-2017 10:56PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Are you allergic to just saying "Hillary Clinton"? Do you refer to Sarah Palin as "Todd Palin's wife"?

Or Ivanka's Father/*******

B_Wayne · 14-01-2017 10:57PM

el diablo wrote: »

Do you people honestly believe that Bill Clinton's psychopathic war criminal of a wife would've been a safer pair of hands with the nuclear codes at her disposal?

Yes, Trump has shown no indication that he is a rational player. That's inherent piece of logic in nuclear policy. I, frankly do not think that he is any way to the presidency. He lacks any sort of diplomatic intelligence and is going to piss off a multitude of nations via his simply childish behaviour. So yep, I don't think the risk with Hillary was remotely comparable. It's a rational conclusion.

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