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HellSquirrel

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Peculiar you're so intent on a charity that has, so far, had no creditable allegations against it and happily ignore or defend the Foundation which has absolutely been used for devious means run by the guy about to run the country.

Just weird is all. Carry on, you're obviously enjoying yourselves.

Differences in opinion.

HellSquirrel

Deleted User wrote: »

Differences in opinion.

I suppose at least you didn't say "fake news", although I see that coming pretty soon;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-apparently-admits-to-violating-ban-on-self-dealing-new-filing-to-irs-shows/2016/11/22/893f6508-b0a9-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/01/trump-pays-irs-a-penalty-for-his-foundation-violating-rules-with-gift-to-florida-attorney-general/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/us/politics/donald-trump-foundation-charity.html

Seriously. I don't get it with some of you people.

But yeah, okay, Clinton Foundation is winding up? Jolly good show what, that will teach charities to go around doing charitable stuff rather than buying paintings of their leaders.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/01/this-is-the-portrait-of-himself-that-donald-trump-bought-with-20000-from-his-charity/?utm_term=.33fdb8db0814

rossie1977

Latest trump SNL skit

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Mod:

Can everybody please just shut up about Hillary? It's one of the main reasons that led to the last thread being closed. There's a bloody warning in the OP about it.

Christy42

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Guardian's top story is about Trump attacking that congressman/activist. Of course you have to scroll half way through the story to find what Trump actually said and it isn't even an attack.

John Lewis: “I don’t see this president-elect as a legitimate president,” and he's going to boycott the inauguration.

Trump: “should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results. All talk, talk, talk – no action or results. Sad!”


The media is pathetic. John Lewis has zero respect for the democratic process and then the media literally invents an attack by Trump. If the guy was beaten by cops in the 60s, I'm sure he's tough enough to deal with his district being called a mess.

While I am sure he is tough enough to deal with nsults (as evidenced by a lack of a Trump style rant from Lewis on twitter), That most certainly was an attack. Trump indicates the man is terrible at his job. There is no other reason to bring up the man's district like that except as an attack on the man's character (sure he isn't attending my inauguration but he he is a terrible politician and should not be listened to).

There is no other way to read that except as an attack. Aa for not respecting democracy, he is not the one who claimed with certainty and without evidence that there was massive voter fraud during the vote.

Little CuChulainn

Deleted User wrote: »

The Guardian's top story is about Trump attacking that congressman/activist. Of course you have to scroll half way through the story to find what Trump actually said and it isn't even an attack.

John Lewis: “I don’t see this president-elect as a legitimate president,” and he's going to boycott the inauguration.

Trump: “should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results. All talk, talk, talk – no action or results. Sad!”


The media is pathetic. John Lewis has zero respect for the democratic process and then the media literally invents an attack by Trump. If the guy was beaten by cops in the 60s, I'm sure he's tough enough to deal with his district being called a mess.

Of course it was an attack. Anyway, what makes you think he has zero respect for the democratic process?

Little CuChulainn

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Of course it was an attack. Anyway, what makes you think he has zero respect for the democratic process?

He called him illegitimate after a fairly won election.

Anyways, I've got to say I'm really annoyed at Trump now.. First thing he does when he gets into office apparently is allow the NSA to share all its data on citizens / the world with all the other intelligence agencies without warrant or whatever. Basically a big f-you to privacy.

A Little Pony

Leroy42 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

See the Hollywood elites are at it again, the same group of people who haven't got to worry about when the next pay check is or putting food on the table.

These movie stars need to be very careful because they will start to notice less people going to the cinema to watch their movies, which means less profit and with that meaning less money for them. People who rely on the public as movie stars do should not talk about politics. It is just divisive and you will not win because half the country will not agree and a substantial amount will decide to not pay to watch anything you do.

They are getting embarrassing now.

Back to trying to shut down free speech.

Why are you so worried about people saying anything negative about Trump?

Businessmen should be very careful as even when they win over 50% of the people don't agree with them and they might just start to see less people wanting to use a business associated with them.

Trump is a billionaire, he is fine. These movie actors need to be careful, you need bums on seats to get the profits up. How anyone can say I am against free speech is bizarre, they can say what they want but if they want to be in successful movies in which America as a whole go to watch, then I would advise them talking about politics. 

The sensible people in Hollywood aren't talking about Trump because they know it is a business and they want to be in movies which get as much profit as possible, last thing they need is huge amounts of people not turning up.

B_Wayne

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trump is a billionaire, he is fine. These movie actors need to be careful, you need bums on seats to get the profits up. How anyone can say I am against free speech is bizarre, they can say what they want but if they want to be in successful movies in which America as a whole go to watch, then I would advise them talking about politics. 

The sensible people in Hollywood aren't talking about Trump because they know it is a business and they want to be in movies which get as much profit as possible, last thing they need is huge amounts of people not turning up.

Hollywood have gone through a past which included being blacklisted for holding the wrong viewpoints. I imagine very few actors are okay with returning to a past where it is a bad thing to have a political opinion.

Frankly, I don't think it will have any significant impact on those who go to see their films.

RasTa

Donald Trump’s first foreign trip is to be a summit with the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, in Iceland, according to reports.

Thought he would be concentrating on making America great again.

Leroy42

Trump is a billionaire? Really. What evidence do we have of that?

And even if he is, (he is comfortable rich regardless of the magnitude) for many of those type of people it is not the money that drives them but the need for success (and Trump is clearly in that category). And even the fact that is is unwilling to hand over control of his business to anybody but his own sons shows how wedded he is to it (and I don't mean that as in insult, he has every right to be carful about his life's work).

So it is not the loss of the revenue that will hurt, its the failure.

Based on your view that they could suffer economincally from speaking their minds (Hollywood) you don't think that that is threat to their free speech? I mean come on. Its a threat to their livelihood for saying what they think. Why do Trump supporters seem so happy that their man is so un-PC and unafraid to say what he thinks but that everyone else should be careful what they say?

Little CuChulainn

Deleted User wrote: »

He called him illegitimate after a fairly won election.

I don't think using the services of a foreign spy agency could be considered fair. He also did not win the popular vote. Doesn't seem to be much fairness or democracy about the American system.

dudara

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyways, I've got to say I'm really annoyed at Trump now.. First thing he does when he gets into office apparently is allow the NSA to share all its data on citizens / the world with all the other intelligence agencies without warrant or whatever. Basically a big f-you to privacy.

My understanding is that it was Obama who put that into effect a few days ago

dudara

dudara wrote: »

My understanding is that it was Obama who put that into effect a few days ago

I know. I wanted to see if people would check.. And I also wanted some real reactions to the news.

Christy42

B_Wayne wrote: »

Hollywood have gone through a past which included being blacklisted for holding the wrong viewpoints. I imagine very few actors are okay with returning to a past where it is a bad thing to have a political opinion.

Frankly, I don't think it will have any significant impact on those who go to see their films.

Especially given the big titles from the last number of years (marvel, star wars, harrying Potter etc.) have very left wing fan bases in general. I don't see them losing too many of their current audience over speaking out against Trump.

Little CuChulainn

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I don't think using the services of a foreign spy agency could be considered fair. He also did not win the popular vote. Doesn't seem to be much fairness or democracy about the American system.

You just made a monumental leap there by saying Trump was complicit. Do you believe Trump worked with Russia to hack voting machines?

Little CuChulainn

Deleted User wrote: »

You just made a monumental leap there by saying Trump was complicit. Do you believe Trump worked with Russia to hack voting machines?

Who said anything about hacking voting machines?

Celticfire

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I don't think using the services of a foreign spy agency could be considered fair. He also did not win the popular vote. Doesn't seem to be much fairness or democracy about the American system.

What services did he use? US elections are won on electoral college votes. That's not a new made up thing for the last election. It's not nor ever has been about the popular vote. Trump 306- Clinton 232. Clear win.

A Little Pony

B_Wayne wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trump is a billionaire, he is fine. These movie actors need to be careful, you need bums on seats to get the profits up. How anyone can say I am against free speech is bizarre, they can say what they want but if they want to be in successful movies in which America as a whole go to watch, then I would advise them talking about politics. 

The sensible people in Hollywood aren't talking about Trump because they know it is a business and they want to be in movies which get as much profit as possible, last thing they need is huge amounts of people not turning up.

Hollywood have gone through a past which included being blacklisted for holding the wrong viewpoints. I imagine very few actors are okay with  returning to a past where it is a bad thing to have a political opinion.

Frankly, I don't think it will have any significant impact on those who go to see their films.

Oh it will if they keep banging on about it. Trump got millions of voters and has a very passionate support base. His supporters will not take kindly to these liberal actors.

A Little Pony

Christy42 wrote: »

B_Wayne wrote: »

Hollywood have gone through a past which included being blacklisted for holding the wrong viewpoints. I imagine very few actors are okay with  returning to a past where it is a bad thing to have a political opinion.

Frankly, I don't think it will have any significant impact on those who go to see their films.

Especially given the big titles from the last number of years (marvel, star wars, harrying Potter etc.) have very left wing fan bases in general. I don't see them losing too many of their current audience over speaking out against Trump.

Left wing based on what? Conservatives watch those films too, millions of them. Once you start pissing them off, they probably will avoid going to see movies with the likes of Amy Adams or woman from Spiderman.

B_Wayne

A Little Pony wrote: »

Oh it will if they keep banging on about it. Trump got millions of voters and has a very passionate support base. His supporters will not take kindly to these liberal actors.

To use an example, George Clooney has been a highly political actor and many people disagree with him on his views. It has hit him in no way.

A Little Pony

B_Wayne wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Oh it will if they keep banging on about it. Trump got millions of voters and has a very passionate support base. His supporters will not take kindly to these liberal actors.

To use an example, George Clooney has been a highly political actor and many people disagree with him on his views. It has hit him in no way.

I think Batman and Robin lost him any credibility.

Leroy42

A Little Pony wrote: »

I think Batman and Robin lost him any credibility.

Nice comeback but completely irrelevant to the point you were trying to make.

You know, people should shut up otherwise they might lose their livelyhoods even others disagree with them. That point

Little CuChulainn

Celticfire wrote: »

What services did he use? US elections are won on electoral college votes. That's not a new made up thing for the last election. It's not nor ever has been about the popular vote. Trump 306- Clinton 232. Clear win.

Did you not hear about members of the DNC being hacked and all their personal and private info being leaked? It was a pretty big story. Trump outright invited Russia to do it.

I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said at a news conference then. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

As to the electoral college system, it's perfectly legitimate for people to think it's non democratic without that meaning they do not believe in democracy.

Billy86

RasTa wrote: »

Thought he would be concentrating on making America great again.

Well to be fair, first he needs to be given his orders on how to go about that which explains the meeting with Uncle Vlad.

wildgreen

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously though, I can't wait to see how much Saudi Arabia donates to the Clinton Foundation in 2017. Comparing their books to 2015/2016 should be hilarious.

even Hilaryious!

Celticfire

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Did you not hear about members of the DNC being hacked and all their personal and private info being leaked? It was a pretty big story. Trump outright invited Russia to do it.

Oh yeah the one where the password was "password".. Wikileaks have stated that the leak did not come from Russia that any 12yo could have hacked that account.

I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said at a news conference then. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

Nothing new with his statements being taken out of context... par for the course. If that's the sole evidence that the Russians hacked the server it's pretty thin.

As to the electoral college system, it's perfectly legitimate for people to think it's non democratic without that meaning they do not believe in democracy.

It's the system that's in place since the foundation of the country... perhaps not perfect but it's the system. Just because you or someone else says it's undemocratic doesn't make it so. It's not the first nor the last time that someone won but didn't get the popular vote.

david75

Trump registered 50 companies in Saudi Arabia during the election.
What's that about

BabyCheeses

Christy42 wrote: »

Especially given the big titles from the last number of years (marvel, star wars, harrying Potter etc.) have very left wing fan bases in general. I don't see them losing too many of their current audience over speaking out against Trump.

And he got less votes, and most people outside of America are laughing at them. Hollywood releases films outside of America.Them coastal liberal elites have more money too. Unemployed coal miners shouldn't be spending their welfare on the cinema!

If they were able to understand how things are bought and sold they wouldn't be supporting Trump anyway.

Billy86

BabyCheeses wrote: »

And he got less votes, and most people outside of America are laughing at them. Hollywood releases films outside of America.Them coastal liberal elites have more money too. Unemployed coal miners shouldn't be spending their welfare on the cinema!

If they were able to understand how things are bought and sold they wouldn't be supporting Trump anyway.

Funny you mention that, because the second biggest market (the US being the largest) for the film industry is China - yes, the same China who Trump seems intent on inching closer and closer to war with. If Hollywood turned around and embraced him as his supporters wish they wood, they would potentially be placing that $5 billion-per-year market in jeopardy.