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A Little Pony · 11-01-2017 07:13PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Didn't CNN put up a picture of the recent shooter in America as being more white than he was? That is pretty fake.

You're right. What you're saying is pretty fake…

http://www.business2community.com/us-news/cnn-alter-esteban-santiagos-photograph-make-skin-whiter-fact-check-01751046#HdVGp1FE5feOhEyG.97

Although CNN has published several videos about the incident, there is no record of either photograph airing on the network. A report from the Daily Beast also found that these images never appeared on CNN.

Furthermore, the man pictured in this photograph is not the same Esteban Santiago connected to the Florida shooting, but rather a different man with the same name who was registered as a sex offender in Florida.

Crazy times we live in. Don't know what to believe these days.

Hans Bricks · 11-01-2017 07:14PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

So do you agree that CNN were right in their reportage and anyone trying to dismiss it as fake news is just attempting to attack free press.

Yes.

I'm aware of the 35 page dossier detailing suspicion of Russian intelligences compromise of trump.

Christy42 · 11-01-2017 07:18PM

Venom wrote: »

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-11/nyt-suggests-cnn-buzzfeed-peddled-fake-news

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/trump-celebrity-apprentice-cnn-fake-news

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies

i could go on but I'm sure you get the point.

Buzz feed should not have published the article but they were very clear that they were reporting a report given to Trump and Obama but they were unsure if it was true. Not fake news- as far as I am aware they were given that report even if I disagree with publishing it.

Guardian story is essentially covering Trump calling fake news on CNN. Sorry if I don't trust the man who was meant to supply proof that Russia was not involved in the hack. Maybe it was fake which they shouldn't have done so I guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt the here.

Wikipedia. Agree on tailwind. The rest of that is accusations of bias. I agree cnn have produced biased coverage at times but that is not the same as randomly claiming that millions of immigrants voted illegally. Or saying that he hadn't been in favour of intervention in Libya. Or saying that he never said China created global warming as a hoax. Those are what I would consider fake news.

Overall not great for cnn but still enough to be called a news media site in my book unlike zero hedge which you site (and presumably trust more than cnn).

For instance
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-11/how-4chan-mcfooled-john-mccain-buzzfeed-and-cia-believing-trumps-golden-showers

Declares with no possibility of error that 4chan created the dossier the CIA presented (and for some reason concentrates more on the news sites reporting it than the ineptness of the various security services that this would imply).

They have no proof. No back up except what 4chan told them and they present as absolute God's truth. Note it is missing the caveats in the title and text that is in the msm reporting on the dossier. That was just me flicking to the site and grabbing the first obvious bull story I could find.

Yourself isit · 11-01-2017 07:18PM

This is all fairly amateurish deep state stuff by us agencies (whose job is to lie).

Trump has no links to Russia. Wiki leaks was leaked (and benefited Sanders more than trump) and there was no hacking of the election.

Christy42 · 11-01-2017 07:20PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

This is all fairly amateurish deep state stuff by us agencies (whose job is to lie).

Trump has no links to Russia. Wiki leaks was leaked (and benefited Sanders more than trump) and there was no hacking of the election.

You disagree with Trump then? To be clear I have not heard of anyone fully briefed by the agencies denying Russian involvement.

jaykay74 · 11-01-2017 07:24PM

I presume the below is about the birther allegations which he helped spread himself

Mr Trump said the claims "should never have been written and should never have been released".
"It's all fake news, it's phoney stuff, it didn't happen," he said, saying that "sick people" had "put that crap together... it's an absolute disgrace".

Grayson · 11-01-2017 07:25PM

Venom wrote: »

Pity you missed the point.

I responded to a comment about the respect or lack of, for the "free press" and there spreading of fake news, not the actions of an individual.

Pity you missed the smiley at the end. It was a joke.

The_Valeyard · 11-01-2017 07:27PM

Grayson wrote: »

Pity you missed the smiley at the end. It was a joke.

Ohh.......i get jokes. Hehehehe

fryup · 11-01-2017 07:27PM

say what you like about the guy, but at least he's got a sense of humour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeOXCli71uk

he's got a self deprecating side to him that i warm to, i kinda like the guy for that

MadYaker · 11-01-2017 07:27PM

Putin has no links to Trump eh?

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/819177036056907780

demfad · 11-01-2017 07:30PM

Here is the story about how the documents came from Europe to global attention via John McCain

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/trump-russia-report-opposition-research-john-mccain

Christy42 · 11-01-2017 07:31PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Putin has no links to Trump eh?

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/819177036056907780

Donald Trump is one of the fake news spreaders Donald Trump was giving out about and his claims that Donald Trump had links to Putin are all lies. Donald Trump will probably sue him at some point.

jaykay74 · 11-01-2017 07:32PM

On a slightly different note how bad were some of the questions in the press conference! Multi part questions which gives someone the option to pick the easiest part of to ramble on at some tangent from there. The questions should have been shorter without as much wiggle room. Some good questions were ignored and from Trumps point of view why not.

Venom · 11-01-2017 07:38PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Buzz feed should not have published the article but they were very clear that they were reporting a report given to Trump and Obama but they were unsure if it was true. Not fake news- as far as I am aware they were given that report even if I disagree with publishing it.

Guardian story is essentially covering Trump calling fake news on CNN. Sorry if I don't trust the man who was meant to supply proof that Russia was not involved in the hack. Maybe it was fake which they shouldn't have done so I guess I will give you the benefit of the doubt the here.

Wikipedia. Agree on tailwind. The rest of that is accusations of bias. I agree cnn have produced biased coverage at times but that is not the same as randomly claiming that millions of immigrants voted illegally. Or saying that he hadn't been in favour of intervention in Libya. Or saying that he never said China created global warming as a hoax. Those are what I would consider fake news.

Overall not great for cnn but still enough to be called a news media site in my book unlike zero hedge which you site (and presumably trust more than cnn).

For instance
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-11/how-4chan-mcfooled-john-mccain-buzzfeed-and-cia-believing-trumps-golden-showers

Declares with no possibility of error that 4chan created the dossier the CIA presented (and for some reason concentrates more on the news sites reporting it than the ineptness of the various security services that this would imply).

They have no proof. No back up except what 4chan told them and they present as absolute God's truth. Note it is missing the caveats in the title and text that is in the msm reporting on the dossier. That was just me flicking to the site and grabbing the first obvious bull story I could find.

I sited Zerohedge only for that NYT article.

As for CNN, they have a nasty habit of bending the truth when it suits them. Here's some more for the list....

Editing video of Charlotte shooting
http://bluelivesmatter.blue/cnn-edited-video-charlotte/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/04/bias-alert-police-group-accuses-cnn-deceptive-edit-charlotte-shooting.html

Edited out sister of Milwaukee man shot by police calling for riots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QZNdjEoOHo
http://www.westernjournalism.com/thepoint/2016/08/16/journalistic-disgrace-cnn-edits-milwaukee-video-hide-rioting-threat-suburbs/

CNN interviews their own Cameraman
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8152/cnn_outs_themselves_as_using_their_own_cameramen/?st=ixtae4av&sh=3d3f8e7b

the_syco · 11-01-2017 07:41PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

This is all fairly amateurish deep state stuff by us agencies (whose job is to lie).

Do you also dismiss Snowdens Wikileaks releases as being compromised by Putins FSB?

Grayson · 11-01-2017 07:42PM

fryup wrote: »

say what you like about the guy, but at least he's got a sense of humour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeOXCli71uk

he's got a self deprecating side to him that i warm to, i kinda like the guy for that

You should look at the press correspondents clip I posted a few pages back. The guy has the thinnest skin.

Grayson · 11-01-2017 07:49PM

the_syco wrote: »

Do you also dismiss Snowdens Assange Wikileaks releases as being compromised by Putins FSB?

FYP

Jelle1880 · 11-01-2017 07:50PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

This is all fairly amateurish deep state stuff by us agencies (whose job is to lie).

Trump has no links to Russia. Wiki leaks was leaked (and benefited Sanders more than trump) and there was no hacking of the election.

That's odd since Trump himself said on record that he 'does have a relation (with Putin), he is very interested in what we are doing here'. His words.

Not to mention the fact he literally said he has business deals in Russia.

Christy42 · 11-01-2017 07:51PM

Venom wrote: »

I sited Zerohedge only for that NYT article.

As for CNN, they have a nasty habit of bending the truth when it suits them. Here's some more for the list....

Editing video of Charlotte shooting
http://bluelivesmatter.blue/cnn-edited-video-charlotte/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/04/bias-alert-police-group-accuses-cnn-deceptive-edit-charlotte-shooting.html

Edited out sister of Milwaukee man shot by police calling for riots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QZNdjEoOHo
http://www.westernjournalism.com/thepoint/2016/08/16/journalistic-disgrace-cnn-edits-milwaukee-video-hide-rioting-threat-suburbs/

CNN interviews their own Cameraman
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8152/cnn_outs_themselves_as_using_their_own_cameramen/?st=ixtae4av&sh=3d3f8e7b

Bias I will agree with. (Which is what you have switched to). Out and out fake news on the level Trump has gotten into a.k.a the man who keeps accusing them of fake news (generally incorrectly)? Nope. Or Breitbart who are a media group Trump seems to support.

The_Valeyard · 11-01-2017 07:52PM

CNN have been a fake news source since the build up to the Iraq war in 2003.

Yourself isit · 11-01-2017 07:57PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Donald Trump is one of the fake news spreaders Donald Trump was giving out about and his claims that Donald Trump had links to Putin are all lies. Donald Trump will probably sue him at some point.

Nobody is denying that they have met.

The whole bourgeois hysteria about putin in frightening. This is depths of child war rhetoric.

Very good chance of the war party's next candidate going to war with Russia.

What really bugs the American supremacist ideologues is that the US had for the first time in a generation been thwarted by another power. In Syria. They want war.

Yourself isit · 11-01-2017 08:01PM

the_syco wrote: »

Do you also dismiss Snowdens Wikileaks releases as being compromised by Putins FSB?

Yes. That is probably total bollocks. The fevered utter belief in the CIA seems to be a new thing with the soft left

A Little Pony · 11-01-2017 08:02PM

Would have thought the Iraq war would make people question the mainstream media and the US government. The intelligence agencies lie all the time, that is basically why they exist. To cover for the administration.

Jelle1880 · 11-01-2017 08:03PM

So because the mainstream media lies we should believe... who ? Breitbart ? Trump ?

More Tea · 11-01-2017 08:04PM

Could someone TLDR this thread for me. Where are we on the whole "golden showers on hookers" thing?

Special Circumstances · 11-01-2017 08:10PM

More Tea wrote: »

Could someone TLDR this thread for me. Where are we on the whole "golden showers on hookers" thing?

Depends I suppose.

Was it hooker on hooker watersports, John on hooker watersports, or hooked on john watersports?

Also... Isn't it a little coincidental that old Adolf was allegedly into the oul watersports as well... has that angle come up yet?

Yeah I'm also looking for the tldr

BabyCheeses · 11-01-2017 08:11PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Nobody is denying that they have met.

Except Trump

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-putin-presidential-debate-ive-never-met-him-fact-check-a7371061.html

A Little Pony · 11-01-2017 08:12PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

So because the mainstream media lies we should believe... who ? Breitbart ? Trump ?

They all lie. When will people wake up. Politicians on this Island lie all the time in order to get elected. Come up with all sorts of fairy tales regarding the economy. Irish politicians are not superior morally to American politicians.

Jelle1880 · 11-01-2017 08:13PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

They all lie. When will people wake up. Politicians on this Island lie all the time in order to get elected. Come up with all sorts of fairy tales regarding the economy. Irish politicians are not superior morally to American politicians.

Who said anything about politicians ? We're talking about the media.

Christy42 · 11-01-2017 08:14PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Who said anything about politicians ? We're talking about the media.

Well this is the Trump thread and the poster is right that Trump is a complete liar. Strange given how much the poster has supported and defended him.

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