Dairy chit chat II

kowtow · 01-01-2017 06:42AM

freedominacup wrote:

Knowing him he's in some international dateline hotel waiting for a second go later on today. Iykwim.

Haha.. a bit behind actually so just gone midnight.

Happy & safe new year one and all... missing the cows at this stage so back in a couple of days can't come too soon.

Am writing the children's new years resolutions for the new year now so they can sign them in the morning unless they want me to give their mother a copy of their mini bar bill.

Keepgrowing · 01-01-2017 10:32AM

Happy and safe New Year to you all

charolais0153 · 02-01-2017 01:49AM

Would there be much more growth if you were to apply a bag of urea on fifteenth of January compared to first of February. Also on bare enough ground would it be urwa or can.

GrasstoMilk · 02-01-2017 08:52AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Would there be much more growth if you were to apply a bag of urea on fifteenth of January compared to first of February. Also on bare enough ground would it be urwa or can.

Soil temp needs to be there for any Fertiliser to work. Needs to be over7degrees
Urea should work as long as the ground is damp or it's a damp day

freedominacup · 02-01-2017 12:38PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Soil temp needs to be there for any Fertiliser to work. Needs to be over7degrees
Urea should work as long as the ground is damp or it's a damp day

They used to use T sum 200 in the UK years ago to guide first fert applications. Basically add up all positive daytime temps from first of Jan on. Once they total 200 it's time to go. Not a bad guide imo. Urea all the way here unless lime has been recently applied.

GrasstoMilk · 02-01-2017 02:00PM

freedominacup wrote: »

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Soil temp needs to be there for any Fertiliser to work. Needs to be over7degrees
Urea should work as long as the ground is damp or it's a damp day

They used to use T sum 200 in the UK years ago to guide first fert applications. Basically add up all positive daytime temps from first of Jan on. Once they total 200 it's time to go. Not a bad guide imo. Urea all the way here unless lime has been recently applied.

Must try that.
I don't go by this 15th Jan rule. Generally within the first 2 weeks of Feb were out here and it's time enough I think

trixi2011 · 02-01-2017 02:25PM

Was thinking of spreading some urea this week soil temps are still above 6 here which wouldnt be the norm seems to be growing away slowly. Going to do a grass walk tomorrow and see whats what

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-01-2017 02:40PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Was thinking of spreading some urea this week soil temps are still above 6 here which wouldnt be the norm seems to be growing away slowly. Going to do a grass walk tomorrow and see whats what

Mod note: Just to remind people that the first permitted day of spreading artificial fertiliser is the 13th of January in zone A, 16th January in zone B and 1st February in the rest.

See page 6 in the link below.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/ruralenvironment/environment/nitrates/NitratesExplanatoryHandbook14Mar2014.pdf

trixi2011 · 02-01-2017 02:45PM

Sorry should of stated farming in the uk and not within a Nvz don't have the same restrictions( no calender farming) as those farming in Ireland.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-01-2017 02:48PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Sorry should of stated farming in the uk and not within a Nvz don't have the same restrictions( no calender farming) as those farming in Ireland.

Ah grand. No harm to remind lads and lassies farming here of the regulations anyway.

BTW, I'm jealous of no calendar farming:(

GrasstoMilk · 02-01-2017 06:30PM

Anyone have weighcells on ther fert spreader?
New fert spreader to be bought here and thinking that's what we'll put on. No wastage of fert. Spreader matches up spread rate to what is actually being spread.

Mooooo · 02-01-2017 06:39PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone have weighcells on ther fert spreader?
New fert spreader to be bought here and thinking that's what we'll put on. No wastage of fert. Spreader matches up spread rate to what is actually being spread.

Much extra cost? Have you gps?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-01-2017 06:41PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone have weighcells on ther fert spreader?
New fert spreader to be bought here and thinking that's what we'll put on. No wastage of fert. Spreader matches up spread rate to what is actually being spread.

I'd be more inclined to go for a hydraulic drive rather than PTO if I was going for something extra on a fert spreader for safety alone.

It would be handy for keeping your fert records up to date if you were downloading the data onto the computer though.

How much would they cost extra, over a grand?

GrasstoMilk · 02-01-2017 06:43PM

Mooooo wrote: »

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone have weighcells on ther fert spreader?
New fert spreader to be bought here and thinking that's what we'll put on. No wastage of fert. Spreader matches up spread rate to what is actually being spread.

Much extra cost? Have you gps?

Haven't any prices yet. Hopefully get around to a local dealer or 2 in the coming days. Just looking on amazone website ATM and seen it. No gps ATM. Something else that will be bought as well in the deal

mahoney_j · 02-01-2017 06:58PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone have weighcells on ther fert spreader?
New fert spreader to be bought here and thinking that's what we'll put on. No wastage of fert. Spreader matches up spread rate to what is actually being spread.

Unless you've deep pockets I wouldn't bother .i changed mine this year ,bought a vicon which can spread to 21 meters .bought gps forctractor and once you figure it out and the spread charts spreading fertiliser is very accurate and a doddle .
Guy I get to spread fertiliser in spring has a big trailed sulky spreader with all the bells and whistles including weigh cells gps etc etc ,think it cost him the guts of 70 k .savage piece of kit but he dose a lot of contract work for tillage and grass men

Keepgrowing · 02-01-2017 07:04PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone have weighcells on ther fert spreader?
New fert spreader to be bought here and thinking that's what we'll put on. No wastage of fert. Spreader matches up spread rate to what is actually being spread.

Wouldn't bother with weigh cells unless the spreader was 3 tonne plus.

Gps would be No 1. The amount of time it saves is unreal. Be sure to buy a spreader with 24m discs

Waffletraktor · 02-01-2017 08:03PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Unless you've deep pockets I wouldn't bother .i changed mine this year ,bought a vicon which can spread to 21 meters .bought gps forctractor and once you figure it out and the spread charts spreading fertiliser is very accurate and a doddle .
Guy I get to spread fertiliser in spring has a big trailed sulky spreader with all the bells and whistles including weigh cells gps etc etc ,think it cost him the guts of 70 k .savage piece of kit but he dose a lot of contract work for tillage and grass men

Have a 4ton bells and whistles amazone here, couldn't recommend Amazone too tempermental unless you are prepared to tray test and check everything every use. Vicon geo-spread enabled will plug into any gps without extra unlocks etc..

GrasstoMilk · 02-01-2017 08:54PM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

mahoney_j wrote: »

Unless you've deep pockets I wouldn't bother .i changed mine this year ,bought a vicon which can spread to 21 meters .bought gps forctractor and once you figure it out and the spread charts spreading fertiliser is very accurate and a doddle .
Guy I get to spread fertiliser in spring has a big trailed sulky spreader with all the bells and whistles including weigh cells gps etc etc ,think it cost him the guts of 70 k .savage piece of kit but he dose a lot of contract work for tillage and grass men

Have a 4ton bells and whistles amazone here, couldn't recommend Amazone too tempermental unless you are prepared to tray test and check everything every use. Vicon geo-spread enabled will plug into any gps without extra unlocks etc..

Local lad in rathnure does vicon. Might give him a ring. Reading up on the weigh cells thing there. It needs isobus to run it and our '99 girl wouldn't have that

Waffletraktor · 02-01-2017 09:00PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Local lad in rathnure does vicon. Might give him a ring. Reading up on the weigh cells thing there. It needs isobus to run it and our '99 girl wouldn't have that

Isobus is a system to let any machine hook upto any tractor without the branded control box, as in run a kuhn spinner from a jd gps screen (eg.) or the tractors onboard screen/computer. They will provide you with a new control box which will be extra to do the same thing.

mf240 · 02-01-2017 11:09PM

Would it be handier to get in a contractor to do the big spreading. Silage ground ect. And then any old spreader would do a few paddocks.

A dairy farmer landed into a local co op a couple of years back with his vicon spreader and the wagger still wagging, he had forgotten to turn off the pto and just headed for town when he ran out.

jaymla627 · 02-01-2017 11:16PM

mf240 wrote: »

Would it be handier to get in a contractor to do the big spreading. Silage ground ect. And then any old spreader would do a few paddocks.

A dairy farmer landed into a local co op a couple of years back with his vicon spreader and the wagger still wagging, he had forgotten to turn off the pto and just headed for town when he ran out.

Only contractor at it here is charging 35 a ton, adds up to a nice bit when your going with a couple of loads a year, investing in a new spinner here and going doing it all myself, when ground conditions aren't the best a fully loaded bredal leaves serious tracks, on hilly ground here and this just adds to the problem

Timmaay · 02-01-2017 11:29PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Only contractor at it here is charging 35 a ton, adds up to a nice bit when your going with a couple of loads a year, investing in a new spinner here and going doing it all myself, when ground conditions aren't the best a fully loaded bredal leaves serious tracks, on hilly ground here and this just adds to the problem

That's silly money, the going rate around here is 15e/ton. And that's exactly what I plan on doing moving forward, let the contractors on with it, the last thing I need is to be pricking about with my single 1/2 ton bag spreader during calving season etc. Will definitely get the contractor to do all the silage ground also.

Your talking about a bredal actually, my local contractor has a tractor mounted 2ton spreader, I usually load for him. And some of the tracks my little 2wd 70hp 2nd tractor left last spring spreading fert ughhhh.

kevthegaff · 02-01-2017 11:34PM

Driverless tractor going forward...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-01-2017 11:35PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Wouldn't bother with weigh cells unless the spreader was 3 tonne plus.

Gps would be No 1. The amount of time it saves is unreal. Be sure to buy a spreader with 24m discs

Just saw a Trimble GPS unit for €895 on Donedeal

https://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/trimble-offer-on-tullamore-show-excess-stock/12803770

mf240 · 02-01-2017 11:40PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Driverless tractor going forward...

You forget the handbrake?

Waffletraktor · 02-01-2017 11:45PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Driverless tractor going forward...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N6v5BRgAKA
Already here if you are so lazy, just need to remove the chunk of meat from the cab next.

mahoney_j · 02-01-2017 11:52PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Only contractor at it here is charging 35 a ton, adds up to a nice bit when your going with a couple of loads a year, investing in a new spinner here and going doing it all myself, when ground conditions aren't the best a fully loaded bredal leaves serious tracks, on hilly ground here and this just adds to the problem

50 euro an hour here. Even though I bought a new spreader last autumn I'll spread none of my own fertiliser till at least mid April on top of getting 95% of my slurry spread on contract .great service provided by both and my time is needed more for cows calves and managing grass

GrasstoMilk · 02-01-2017 11:53PM

mf240 wrote: »

Would it be handier to get in a contractor to do the big spreading. Silage ground ect. And then any old spreader would do a few paddocks.

A dairy farmer landed into a local co op a couple of years back with his vicon spreader and the wagger still wagging, he had forgotten to turn off the pto and just headed for town when he ran out.

Fert is a job I absolutely love one job I wouldn't give up but yep I agree on the big jobs there. Silage ground will never be at home again. Just as easy to get contractor in for that

Mooooo · 03-01-2017 12:25AM

Got a lad in to spread second cut fert this year, 3 bags of sulphacan/acre. he collects it in bulk with a trailer from cork and the trailer, has flotation tyres, and has an auger in it to top up the spinner. I think trailer can bring 20 odd tonne. spinner is mounted one. When i worked it out it cost me 7 euro a tonne more than just getting the big bags delivered to yard, would be doing well with time and diesel to spread outta the big bags for that. Only drawback was he had another customer spreading the same stuff so he waited till he was ready to collect from cork as trailer would hold both our amounts, which meant mine went out a week later than hoped. Will prob get him in to do first round of urea but i suspect when spreading at a lower rate and dealing with smaller fields it'll prob be more expensive. Will enquire in a few weeks. Local dairygold rep put me in contact with them

Signpost · 03-01-2017 02:01AM

Not something I'm planning on doing but would ye consider doing liquid fertilizer? Heard of a few lads who get it delivered in IBC tanks to the yard and spread/sprayed by a tillage contractor with GPS. Seems like a good idea to reduce the fillers and just give the plant what it needs.
I wouldn't get out early enough here with ground conditions so I'm stuck to using the quad and spinner but just something I'm surprised more lads haven't started doing.

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