Christmas Millionaire Raffle 2016

Amazingfun · 30-11-2016 11:40pm #1

I just bought three tickets to give as gifts, easy enough present and a bit of fun.

But I did just notice that last year they had only 350,000 tickets for sale, this year there is 500,000! Quite the increase in tickets, but not a great increase in prizes. In fact the prize list is identical to last year, except they will be pulling in an extra 3 million euros via the added 150000 tickets.
How can they do this without increasing prizes? I suppose many are like me and didn't really look at it too deep before buying.

Prizes
There are 3,176 prizes in total and seven prize levels ranging from €500 up to €1,000,000;

Level 1: €1,000,000 - 1 prize
Level 2: €250,000 - 1 prize
Level 3: €100,000 - 4 prizes
Level 4: €10,000 - 10 prizes
Level 5: €5,000 - 25 prizes
Level 6: €1,000 - 115 prizes
Level 7: €500 - 3,020 prizes
The total value of all prizes available to win in the Game is €3.5 million, which means that the likely proportion of the proceeds of the Game which are expected to be paid in prizes is 50%.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-12-2016 12:08am

That's a bit cheeky of them to reduce folks chances of winning by 30.00000000000007% approx, if this is correct about ticket sales. Their only offset is a couple of index points of inflation or costings indexes which again would be in the very small percentiles.

Thus there is probably a 30.00000000000007% increase in the chances of me not buying a ticket

They should also just merge all the prizes to say a few hundred (x350) fixed at €10k, to pay for a good night out.

Amazingfun · 01-12-2016 12:16am

lol, I am no way near as talented as your good self re: precise calculations, but the numbers are correct.
350,000 tickets last year, 500,000 this year with no additional prizes on tap.

It would be nice if they just made it real fun , this kind of slight of hand puts a damper on things. I can't take back my tickets now (and why would I since I have the winners of course, lol) but I prob would not have purchased them had I noticed this beforehand.

Ferrari3600 · 06-12-2016 7:58pm

Danica Odd Sage wrote: »

That's a bit cheeky of them to reduce folks chances of winning by 30.00000000000007% approx, if this is correct about ticket sales. Their only offset is a couple of index points of inflation or costings indexes which again would be in the very small percentiles.

Thus there is probably a 30.00000000000007% increase in the chances of me not buying a ticket

They should also just merge all the prizes to say a few hundred (x350) fixed at €10k, to pay for a good night out.

To be fair, it may not reduce the chance of winning by as much as that as they might not sell out all the tickets. But the prize fund (in €) remains constant even if they don't. The structure of the Raffle game is somewhat different to their other games.

This is why they say 'likely proportion' here:

"which means that the likely proportion of the proceeds of the Game which are expected to be paid in prizes is 50%."

4068ac1elhodqr · 06-12-2016 8:31pm

There is usually high demand for this special lotto, even with a 1 in 157.43073047858942 chance of winning anything, which is surprising.

Still to shift 1/2m tickets at €20 a pop would require 1 in every 6.89 persons (excludes under 18s) making a single purchase.

4068ac1elhodqr · 06-12-2016 8:33pm

If you are selected (157/1 chance), then this is the likely prize you'd receive:

Ferrari3600 · 06-12-2016 8:39pm

Rather low win odds there right enough. I suppose the attraction is the high prize amounts.

Collie D · 25-12-2016 9:35am

Not sure sales are going too well for this. Bought a few on Friday night as presents (and one for myself) and the numbers were in the 260k range.

I'm making two assumptions here of course, that

A. The numbers are sequential based on time of sale
B. Peak sales are in the lead up to Xmas for presents

Amazingfun · 26-12-2016 2:53am

I think it does indeed go in order, but I suspect there will be a last minute dash for tickets before the draw. Pity as I'd prefer them punished for pulling a fast one with the 150,000 tix sneakily added on

Ferrari3600 · 26-12-2016 3:00am

Amazingfun wrote: »

I think it does indeed go in order, but I suspect there will be a last minute dash for tickets before the draw. Pity as I'd prefer them punished for pulling a fast one with the 150,000 tix sneakily added on

Given that you've already bought, it seems to me that a low sales figure would actually increase your chance of winning, as the prizes are fixed.

Amazingfun · 26-12-2016 3:02am

Yes, of course on a personal/individual angle I'd prefer it for that reason too, but I am speaking to the extra 3 million they are poised to haul in should the tix sell out, all while not adding on a single extra prize over last year's.

slade_x · 26-12-2016 9:32pm

Collie D wrote: »

Not sure sales are going too well for this. Bought a few on Friday night as presents (and one for myself) and the numbers were in the 260k range.

I'm making two assumptions here of course, that

A. The numbers are sequential based on time of sale
B. Peak sales are in the lead up to Xmas for presents

I purchased one of these locally for my girlfriend on Christmas eve as she gave me one for christmas and the ticket number was in the 352,000 range, exceeding what I thought at the time was the maximum amount of tickets available.

https://www.lottery.ie/games/game-info/how-to-play-millionaire-raffle

Christmas Millionaire Raffle 2016
Somewhere out there is a brand new millionaire, thanks to our Christmas Millionaire Raffle! It's a limited affair with only 500,000 tickets. The draw is automated and takes place on New Year’s Eve, Saturday 31 December 2016 in National Lottery headquarters. Tickets are now on sale at €20 each. Results for all prizes will be available on our website by 1 January, 2017. Tickets may also be checked at National Lottery agents.
Prizes
There are 3,176 prizes in total and seven prize levels ranging from €500 up to €1,000,000;
Level 1: €1,000,000 - 1 prize
Level 2: €250,000 - 1 prize
Level 3: €100,000 - 4 prizes
Level 4: €10,000 - 10 prizes
Level 5: €5,000 - 25 prizes
Level 6: €1,000 - 115 prizes
Level 7: €500 - 3,020 prizes
The total value of all prizes available to win in the Game is €3.5 million, which means that the likely proportion of the proceeds of the Game which are expected to be paid in prizes is 50%. The likely proportion of the proceeds of the Game is calculated based on projected sales. The actual proportion of proceeds paid in prizes may vary depending on the actual sales volume.

I managed to find 2015's prizes

Drawing Date: December 31, 2015
Top Prize: €1 million
Tickets Available: 350,000
Ticket Price: €20

Level 1: €1,000,000 - 1 prize
Level 2: €250,000 - 1 prize
level 3: €100,000 - 4 prizes
Level 4: €10,000 - 10 prizes
Level 5: €5,000 - 20 prizes
Level 6: €1,000 - 100 prizes
Level 7: €500 - 2,100 prizes

source: https://www.lotterypost.com/specialresults/ie-lottery-raffle-2015-12-31.asp

A total of 2,236 prizes, less than the current 3,176 prizes for the 2016 Raffle. In summary an extra 940 prizes over last years raffle;

Of which translates to:
5 extra €5,000 prizes
15 extra €1000 prizes
920 extra €500 prizes
And a new chance of 500,000 to 1 of becoming the next Christmas Millionaire Raffle Millionaire

That is an extra €500,000 available prize fund for an extra 150,000 tickets which if sold will net an extra €3,000,000 in additional to the €7,000,000 from the first 350,000 tickets

From 2016 Raffle; €3,500,000 available out of a projected €10,000,000 if all tickets sell out. Not a bad business model at all

2015's 1 in 156 chance of winning a prize vs 2016's 1 in 157 chance of winning a prize; rounded down

Complete Game Rules
https://www.lottery.ie/static/c/assets/ctplotteryiecms/games/millionaire-raffle/xmasmillionairerafflerules201620161119_1a7ef4b767fdead9bdd53d03b5c12a11.pdf

fryup · 30-12-2016 6:42pm

when is the deadline for this??

FGR · 30-12-2016 6:45pm

Just wondering - if there's any tickets left prior to the draw would the lotto buy them by default? Or is that against gambling regulations?

Treehouse72 · 31-12-2016 3:57pm

FGR wrote: »

Just wondering - if there's any tickets left prior to the draw would the lotto buy them by default? Or is that against gambling regulations?

I very much doubt it. I think the number sold is the total number in the draw.

Fwiw, I bought one on Thursday - the day before yesterday - and my number is around 400,000, so I suspect they'll sell most if not all the 500,000.

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-12-2016 8:49pm

Someone just gave me a ticket for this 10mins ago, it was bought back on 7th Dec around the 30k mark,
lets hope they sold the lot, just so that the people and not the komputer doesn't issue itself any unsold as winners.

Standby, think this is on the TV box shortly...

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-12-2016 8:56pm

Just checked, the draw takes place at 10pm, they would appear to still be selling tickets on their site.

Not certain of actual availability as have to be registered & logged to their site, but the €20 play now button is still visible.

eoghan104 · 31-12-2016 10:59pm

Is this on tele?

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-12-2016 11:06pm

Don't think it's broadcast, as there would be too many winning codes to call out (3,176).
It's due for 10pm but the website states the results will only be published on 1st Jan?

Plenty of the older generation won't have the interwebs, ideally they should publish the list in some of the main papers for tomorrow.
Then again, they're most likely already compiled and sitting up at the printers yard.

In the rules/terms it also mentions:

The Unique Multiple Digit Number is issued in consecutive numerical sequence by the Central Computer System.

Guffy · 31-12-2016 11:10pm

Sold one today at the 450k mark

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-12-2016 11:34pm

Error 520 (cloudflare), their website's results page is overwhelmed
most likely with a few hundred thousand page refresh requests.
lottery.ie/dbg/results/view?game=millionaire-raffle
Check back tomorrow as 3,176 tickets is a lot to publish...

damon5 · 01-01-2017 12:05am

Danica Odd Sage wrote: »

Don't think it's broadcast, as there would be too many winning codes to call out (3,176).
It's due for 10pm but the website states the results will only be published on 1st Jan?

Plenty of the older generation won't have the interwebs, ideally they should publish the list in some of the main papers for tomorrow.
Then again, they're most likely already compiled and sitting up at the printers yard.

In the rules/terms it also mentions:

You can get results now on there website,put in your ticket number and see wether you were luckier than me ) :

leonffrench · 01-01-2017 12:21am

damon5 wrote:

You can get results now on there website,put in your ticket number and see wether you were luckier than me ) :

Still says draw in progress when I go on??

lawred2 · 01-01-2017 12:32am

damon5 wrote: »

You can get results now on there website,put in your ticket number and see wether you were luckier than me ) :

Swing and a miss here I'm afraid.

FU#K

damon5 · 01-01-2017 2:09am

https://www.lottery.ie/dbg/results/view?game=millionaire-raffle

allthedoyles · 01-01-2017 2:11am

heres top prize winners :

If you bought one, you can check your numbers below. Good luck!
€1 Million jackpot winner: 098211
€250k prize: 168339
€100k prize: 037641, 177264, 208743, 266026

jimmycrackcorm · 01-01-2017 2:23am

allthedoyles wrote:

If you bought one, you can check your numbers below. Good luck! â‚¬1 Million jackpot winner: 098211 â‚¬250k prize: 168339 â‚¬100k prize: 037641, 177264, 208743, 266026

Looks like I bought too late

Merdit · 01-01-2017 3:01am

Nada....again!

Ace2007 · 01-01-2017 12:29pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

heres top prize winners :

If you bought one, you can check your numbers below. Good luck!
€1 Million jackpot winner: 098211
€250k prize: 168339
€100k prize: 037641, 177264, 208743, 266026

That's last years

this year is

1m 179740
250k 435295
100k 027012, 326014, 412757,403435

That's from the lotto site - https://www.lottery.ie/dbg/results/view?game=millionaire-raffle

01-01-2017 1:38pm

Website is down and no sign of any results on the app. You can scan your ticket on the app but not sure if it works seeing as though there's no results on the app

mockingjay · 01-01-2017 1:41pm

Website hit and miss this morning - I bought mine online and I can't get on to check it, it keeps knocking me out!!! You'd think they'd have it in order when they know so many would be trying to check their purchase.

Christmas Millionaire Raffle 2016

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