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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #2432
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Depp wrote: »
    didnt joe duffy only get his purple belt recently? I know he subbed him before but that fight counts for zero at this stage given how far theyve both come since then, Id give conor the advantage on the ground if they were to fight now. I agree though it wouldn't go to the ground most probably, and I don't see duffy surviving the shots diaz did

    Not all belts are the same.


    Duffy's background in JJJ and where his BJJ belts have been earned mean his ground game, especially off his back, is very aggressive.

    In a grappling match I'd expect him to dominate Conor.


  • #2433
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Not all belts are the same.

    Duffy's background in JJJ and where his BJJ belts have been earned mean his ground game, especially off his back, is very aggressive.
    I'd agree that belts aren't all the same. And it certainly isn't as simple as brown > purple. But I don't think his jjj background is particularly relevant. The principles are very similar to judo/bjj, but if you are only dealing with kata and demo rather than live drilling/sparring it's nearly a waste of time imo.

    That's not meant as a slight on Duffy. He's a good grappler, but I'd put that down to his MMA/BJJ moreso. Who did he get his blue bent from? He was definitely better than a typical blue belt arriving in tristar
    In a grappling match I'd expect him to dominate Conor.
    I wouldn't be sure about that.
    I'd want to see him in a pure grappling situation really know how good Duffy is.


  • #2434
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Mellor wrote: »
    He's odds on favourite with the bookies

    Nice, hadn't looked at any prices.

    Just assumed the Mma is street fighting brigade would put a stop to him wining.
    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Nonsense, Frampton runs him very close.

    Disagree.

    Won two fights during the year in a sport where there is a million belts.
    Definitely a who da fook is dat guy situation in my opinion.


  • #2435
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Saturday Night Live featured him in a gameshow for the "world's most ignorant millionaires" last night. Not exactly a flattering portrayal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xsrdyT4z_E



    IRA joke, leprechaun reference and a terrible accent. This was a really lazy effort overall which was disappointing as they have the capacity to do amazing satire and god knows there's plenty of material on McGregor to take the pis$ out of him in a more intelligent and nuanced way than this.


  • #2436
    winston82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭winston82


    Gamebred wrote: »
    You might see a certain two weight world champion around Temple Bar tonight...

    One weight.


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  • #2437
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,719 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Definitely a who da fook is dat guy situation in my opinion.

    Therein lies the problem. McGregor is odds on favourite to win (and deservedly so) and people still get upset at the suggestion that other athletes might be worthy of credit.

    Two wins in a sport with a million belts, eh? You can't pull out that line and then bang on about McGregor's history making achievements in a sport where that "history" is all of 20 years old.


  • #2438
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    mdwexford wrote: »

    Disagree.

    Won two fights during the year in a sport where there is a million belts.
    Definitely a who da fook is dat guy situation in my opinion.
    Haha thats an outrageous statement. He's a top 10 P4P boxer. If you have any interest in boxing you know he's a big name.

    I have no problem with McGregor winning, he's achieved a **** load but Frampton has achieved every bit as much. I'd struggle to separate the two to be honest.

    Frampton's Santa Cruz win certainly trumps both of Conor's this year though and Frampton didn't take a loss either.


  • #2439
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Frampton's Santa Cruz win certainly trumps both of Conor's this year though and Frampton didn't take a loss either.




    Cant agree with this, that was a close fight McGregor's dominance has to be factored in when it comes to title winning fights.


  • #2440
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    winston82 wrote: »
    One weight.

    has been champ at two weights=two weight champion

    now back into your cave


  • #2441
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Depp wrote: »
    has been champ at two weights=two weight champion

    now back into your cave

    Former.


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  • #2442
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Haha thats an outrageous statement. He's a top 10 P4P boxer. If you have any interest in boxing you know he's a big name.

    I have no problem with McGregor winning, he's achieved a **** load but Frampton has achieved every bit as much. I'd struggle to separate the two to be honest.

    Frampton's Santa Cruz win certainly trumps both of Conor's this year though and Frampton didn't take a loss either.

    Boxing is gone ****e.

    Too many divisions, weight classes, belts, world titles etc.

    It's not as big an achievement as it used to be, full of mediocrity.


  • #2443
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Cant agree with this, that was a close fight McGregor's dominance has to be factored in when it comes to title winning fights.

    Its only one title winning fight. Its sportsperson of the year and the Aldo fight was 2015. Santa Cruz is a far bigger scalp in the world of boxing than Eddie Alvarez in MMA.

    The three McGregor fights to be taken into account are the Diaz loss, Diaz win (like Frampton's a close fight) and a demolition job of Alvarez.

    Frampton's two fights - Making easy work of Scott Quigg in a fight the bookies struggled to split and moving up a weight and beating the 32-0 Santa Cruz in NYC.

    I think Frampton had the more impressive year but its definitely close.


  • #2444
    midnight city
    Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭midnight city


    Would McGregor even turn up. Def not if he wasn't told he had won.


  • #2445
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Therein lies the problem. McGregor is odds on favourite to win (and deservedly so) and people still get upset at the suggestion that other athletes might be worthy of credit.

    Two wins in a sport with a million belts, eh? You can't pull out that line and then bang on about McGregor's history making achievements in a sport where that "history" is all of 20 years old.

    Well you have to admit there is a dilution of belts in boxing.
    Of course other athletes are worthy of credit, it was a bit tongue in cheek comment last night.

    McGregor has taken over Mma, he is literally the biggest name in the sport. I don't think anyone else compares to that.
    Morrison J wrote: »
    Haha thats an outrageous statement. He's a top 10 P4P boxer. If you have any interest in boxing you know he's a big name.

    I have no problem with McGregor winning, he's achieved a **** load but Frampton has achieved every bit as much. I'd struggle to separate the two to be honest.

    Frampton's Santa Cruz win certainly trumps both of Conor's this year though and Frampton didn't take a loss either.

    I've very little interest in boxing, I watch the big big fights and that's it so I don't really know what Frampton has actually achieved or who he has beaten.

    I do know he's not the biggest name or draw in boxing though.


  • #2446
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    mcgregor went straight to a titleshot too against alvarez. would that detract from his chance to win it?

    its all a bit panto. act the maggot and make enough money for the company and you can do what you want.

    its not really a meritocracy.


  • #2447
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    not that I'm saying boxing is any better


  • #2448
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    mdwexford wrote: »
    I've very little interest in boxing, I watch the big big fights and that's it so I don't really know what Frampton has actually achieved or who he has beaten.

    I do know he's not the biggest name or draw in boxing though.

    Being the biggest name/draw in the sport is a bit of a different argument though I think. The RTE award is purely down to achievement of the sportsperson in their given field. Michael Conlan won it last year as an amateur boxer so I don't think profile comes into it at all.

    Frampton's achievements nearly mirror McGregors. Two weight world champ but he did it all this year (unified at super bantam). McGregor technically only became champ at one weight this year. Frampton's opponents are more credible than McGregor's this year arguably and he didn't take a loss which is why he should pip Conor imo.


  • #2449
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    mcgregor went straight to a titleshot too against alvarez. would that detract from his chance to win it?

    So did Frampton. First fight at featherweight was the Santa Cruz fight.


  • #2450
    darced
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  • #2451
    Morrison J
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    darced wrote: »
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    Aldo fight was last year though.

    The award is for Sportsperson of the Year in 2016. Two Diaz fights and Alvarez fight are the only McGregor fights to be considered.


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  • #2452
    darced
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  • #2453
    [Deleted User]
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Its only one title winning fight. Its sportsperson of the year and the Aldo fight was 2015. Santa Cruz is a far bigger scalp in the world of boxing than Eddie Alvarez in MMA.

    The three McGregor fights to be taken into account are the Diaz loss, Diaz win (like Frampton's a close fight) and a demolition job of Alvarez.

    Frampton's two fights - Making easy work of Scott Quigg in a fight the bookies struggled to split and moving up a weight and beating the 32-0 Santa Cruz in NYC.

    I think Frampton had the more impressive year but its definitely close.
    Also I'd prefer Irish sports personality goes to an actual Irish person.


  • #2454
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Fair points. I think Frampton can beat Rigo at featherweight, prob doesn't at super bantam.

    I don't think "barely beating" an opponent as good as Santa Cruz is really a stick to beat him with either. That was a tremendous result where Frampton was given no chance by the majority of the media. Many people would say McGregor barely beat Diaz in the 2nd fight so by that logic it takes something away from McGregor too.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    Also I'd prefer Irish sports personality goes to an actual Irish person.
    I'd rather leave the bull**** politics to the BBC tbh. Good that RTE recognises both sides. BBC managed to not even shortlist Frampton for the sports personality of the year. If he was English he'd prob win it outright.


  • #2455
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Says a lot for McGregor's achievements though all the same that Frampton is a shoe in to win Fighter of the Year and he'll prob not win the RTE award.

    Fighter of the Year has been won by 5 Europeans since it started in 1928.


  • #2456
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    mcgregor went straight to a titleshot too against alvarez. would that detract from his chance to win it?

    its all a bit panto. act the maggot and make enough money for the company and you can do what you want.

    its not really a meritocracy.


    Yep totally, just show up act the maggot and you do what you want, nothing to do with actual skill or anything.


  • #2457
    [Deleted User]
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Fair points. I think Frampton can beat Rigo at featherweight, prob doesn't at super bantam.

    I don't think "barely beating" an opponent as good as Santa Cruz is really a stick to beat him with either. That was a tremendous result where Frampton was given no chance by the majority of the media. Many people would say McGregor barely beat Diaz in the 2nd fight so by that logic it takes something away from McGregor too.



    I'd rather leave the bull**** politics to the BBC tbh. Good that RTE recognises both sides. BBC managed to not even shortlist Frampton for the sports personality of the year. If he was English he'd prob win it outright.
    Carl Frampton MBE and he doesn't claim to be Irish. I am not saying Northern Irish people shouldn't win it, I am saying people who specifically dont want to be Irish shouldn't win Irish sports of the year. Conor is not only a crazy good athlete, he is also a brilliant personality and proud of being Irish.


  • #2458
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Carl Frampton MBE and he doesn't claim to be Irish. I am not saying Northern Irish people shouldn't win it, I am saying people who specifically dont want to be Irish shouldn't win Irish sports of the year. Conor is not only a crazy good athlete, he is also a brilliant personality and proud of being Irish.

    He claims to be from Northern Ireland just like Rory McIlroy or Tony McCoy do. People from Northern Ireland are included in the voting. I don't think you should have to ask a sportsperson his/her political or religious views before shortlisting them. Deserves to have as good a chance as anyone else.


  • #2459
    [Deleted User]
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    He claims to be from Northern Ireland just like Rory McIlroy or Tony McCoy do. People from Northern Ireland are included in the voting. I don't think you should have to ask a sportsperson his/her political or religious views before shortlisting them. Deserves to have as good a chance as anyone else.

    Nothing to at all to do with Religion. Where did I mention religion? I am saying I would prefer an Irish person to win, Northern Irish people who are Irish I would have no problem winning but Frampton is and even says he is British. Nothing to do with religion at all.


  • #2460
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Let him win the British Sports person of the year award imo if thats what he identifies as, Pretty sure Conor couldnt enter their one even though there is British Rule on this island up north.


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  • #2461
    wonderfullife
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    its all a bit panto. act the maggot and make enough money for the company and you can do what you want.

    its not really a meritocracy.

    Where was the "meritocracy" in Carl Frampton moving up a weight class to fight Santa Cruz?

    He was the champion in the weight class below. By your logic, he should have taken on 5 or 6 fights in his new weight class to warrant a title shot.

    Meritocracy should never be questioned relating to super-fights or champions moving up (or down) weight classes. They've merited the super-fight by working hard to attain their championship, fame and draw-power.

    It would be a pretty strange and weird world if McGregor or Frampton were forced to fight their way up to a title shot in a new division, or if Usain Bolt was forced to run 5 races on a domestic circuit to prove he deserves an invitation to try the 400 meters in the Diamond League.

    Incidentally, Conor "acting the maggot" didn't get him his Millions of Dollars, fame and notoriety. His left hand and skills did that for him. If he wasn't tearing up the featherweight division he'd have just been another unknown, obscure gimmick-personality fighter like Smilin' Sam Alvey or Teruto Ishiara.


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