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Italy : ma che cazzo hai fatto ?

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    #62
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    Fair play to the Italians, another country with balls. The 4th reich is under serious pressure now.


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    #63
    twill
    Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭twill


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    That's because the concept of "the elites" is up there with the Freemasons ruling the world. The so called elites are people you and I elect into government and Europe.
    True, but the problem is that the notion of acting in the interest of the people seems to be regarded as some quaint old-fashioned notion. The EU now represents the most extreme right-wing economic policy as well as an aggressive military policy and anti-democratic centralisation, and the majority of our politicians have not only made it clear they agree with this, but conspire to keep the provisions of these extreme right wing trade treaties secret.

    As for the United States, for all Obama's populist rhetoric, he has followed similar policies. If people don't trust him, well, they have a point. That is not to say they are right to trust Trump, who is clearly a charlatan, but probably useful to his backers.


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    #64
    youreadthat
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    People got what they deserved voting safe for decades, that's why 2008 happened. Career politicians serving the global financial industry for decades until ratings agencies opinions became more newsworthy than a national leader's.


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    #65
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    Donal55 wrote: »
    Its like Everton's equaliser.
    Austria 1 Italy 1.

    Hopefully France will win it on penalties;)


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    #66
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    tonycascarino wrote: »
    Fair play to the Italians, another country with balls. The 4th reich is under serious pressure now.

    Do you know what the people who have some, if not the most, corruptive governmental practices actually voted against?

    Reading this thread I don't think a lot of people do.


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    #67
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 8,008 ✭✭✭Patser


    tonycascarino wrote: »
    Hopefully France will win it on penalties;)

    Ah come on, Germany always win on penalties.


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    #68
    Yourself isit
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    The"proles" as you say just like to use the phrase for some bogey man they believe is responsible for all the ills in the world, often ignoring the governments we have are is their own doing, prime example being what the Italians just voted for. Hey guys, lets reform our various governments. Nah, let's not, by spiting ourselves we'll really give those elites a bloody nose.

    More sanctimonious bluster. The Italians are anti EU. That's why there's so much hysteria over an internal vote. That's why pro EU factions are so angry.

    Their economy did fine under the old constitution, it's a basket case since the Euro


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    #69
    The Wolverine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭The Wolverine


    vaporwave wrote: »
    'Italexit' just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as 'Brexit'..

    Quitalia


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    #70
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    More sanctimonious bluster. The Italians are anti EU. That's why there's so much hysteria over an internal vote. That's why pro EU factions are so angry.

    Their economy did fine under the old constitution, it's a basket case since the Euro

    Check again on what the referendum was for. For all problems they have, of their own doing, they vote against getting their house in order.


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    #71
    darkpagandeath
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The truth can no longer be sugar coated, and the reality must be faced. It is time for them to face up to the mistakes that they are making with such madcap voting. They have to learn that this petulant voting incompetence, where, given a say in democracy, and a vote in a referendum, they then dont in fact vote on the issue being put to them, but decide they will protest vote, fall to the lies of ignorant crowd pleasers, or, 'send a message' to the government.
    If you cannot vote responsibly, you do not deserve to have a vote, or deserve the troubles such self indulgent voting will bring.
    Time to call a spade a spade on this nonsense. It may be unpleasant, but in the longer term, its for their own good.

    So democracy does not work if you vote the wrong way ? You know like trump Brexit. Has the sky fallen in yet ?


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    #72
    vaporwave
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭vaporwave


    The Wolverine wrote: »
    Quitalia

    Quitalia '90? :D


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    #73
    vaporwave
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭vaporwave


    Heard another one "Italeave".


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    #74
    darkpagandeath
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    hotwhiskey wrote: »
    Italian PM resigns.

    Watch the Euro Free Fall tomorrow.

    Aye it's great we have it is it not...


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    #75
    darkpagandeath
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    The EU is this.


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    #76
    FrancieBrady
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    Folks, this was not about Europe or the Euro, that will require another vote and remember too that 47% of Italians believe this ref means very little whatever way the vote goes.


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    #77
    goose2005
    Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The truth can no longer be sugar coated, and the reality must be faced. It is time for them to face up to the mistakes that they are making with such madcap voting. They have to learn that this petulant voting incompetence, where, given a say in democracy, and a vote in a referendum, they then dont in fact vote on the issue being put to them, but decide they will protest vote, fall to the lies of ignorant crowd pleasers, or, 'send a message' to the government.
    If you cannot vote responsibly, you do not deserve to have a vote, or deserve the troubles such self indulgent voting will bring.
    Time to call a spade a spade on this nonsense. It may be unpleasant, but in the longer term, its for their own good.

    After the uprising of the 17th of June
    The Secretary of the Writers' Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Stating that the people
    Had forfeited the confidence of the government
    And could win it back only
    By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
    In that case for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?


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    #78
    Keith186
    Registered Users Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭Keith186


    vaporwave wrote: »
    'Italexit' just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as 'Brexit'..

    Exitalia!


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    #79
    AllGunsBlazing
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Folks, this was not about Europe or the Euro, that will require another vote and remember too that 47% of Italians believe this ref means very little whatever way the vote goes.

    It's not the loss of the referendum but the power vacuum left in Renzi's wake that is the concern. There is potential for more instability which could have serious consequences for Italy and in particular its already ailing banking system. Which by extension is bad news for the EU.


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    #80
    Richard Hillman
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    We need to start our own exit plans and start cutting deals. But you would just know we will be the standing by Merkel's side as the ship is on bottom of the sea floor.

    The EU has been great for us, past tense. It has nothing for us in the future.


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    #81
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,024 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    It's not the loss of the referendum but the power vacuum left in Renzi's wake that is the concern. There is potential for more instability which could have serious consequences for Italy and in particular its already ailing banking system. Which by extension is bad news for the EU.

    Which is fine.
    But it will take another ref or the election of anti EU party to say the Italians wish to leave the EU.
    Today wasn't about that


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    #82
    twill
    Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭twill


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Check again on what the referendum was for. For all problems they have, of their own doing, they vote against getting their house in order.

    How do you know that? There was a variety of shades of opinion on either side. Some parties made it clear that they felt the loss of regional power was a threat to democracy.

    Previously, when the concept of autonomy in individual EU states was stronger, referendums were not lightly undertaken. The weakening of the concept of internal sovereignty has resulted in a greater level of contempt for the functioning of democracy, and referendums are thrown together as a mere box-ticking exercise. That people don't play along with this isn't a reflection on them. Nor is any resulting instability


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    #83
    AllGunsBlazing
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Which is fine.
    But it will take another ref or the election of anti EU party to say the Italians wish to leave the EU.
    Today wasn't about that

    But it was another link in a chain that could ultimately lead to such an event especially if the Italian economy tanks even further. A yes vote would have broken that chain.


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    #84
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,599 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Folks, this was not about Europe or the Euro, that will require another vote and remember too that 47% of Italians believe this ref means very little whatever way the vote goes.

    Italy will need a bailout soon. Mark my words. Happy to pay for that bailout?

    At least Ireland was serious about getting it's affairs in order in return for assistance. Italians probably not as practical.

    The EU can not afford to bailout Italy.

    This vote has serious consequences in short term.


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    #85
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,024 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    But it was another link in a chain that could ultimately lead to such an event especially if the Italian economy tanks even further. A yes vote would have broken that chain.

    Yes it could and then...it might not.


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    #86
    KingBrian2
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    Every time the EU is brought up in these referendums to protest gvt policies they have been won by the anti EU side. The British decision to leave the EU. The Dutch and French votes against the European constitution and now Italy voting against this new law by a pro EU ruler. Nationalist considerations override European considerations appear to be the theme running throughout all these results.


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    #87
    dublinman1990
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    You will have another major EU story about the decision of Brexit from the UK Supreme Court coming in over the next 24 hours along with the aftermath of what happened with Italy's results today. The media in particular will have a field day later on with all the reactions from these two major stories from all of the political sides involved with these decisions.

    It won't be a slow news day by this Monday standards that is for sure.


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    #88
    ThisRegard
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    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Every time the EU is brought up in these referendums to protest gvt policies they have been won by the anti EU side. The British decision to leave the EU. The Dutch and French votes against the European constitution and now Italy voting against this new law by a pro EU ruler. Nationalist considerations override European considerations appear to be the theme running throughout all these results.

    All those examples were actually related to the EU. In the case of Italy, what new law are you referring to?


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    #89
    Pete Moss
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    vaporwave wrote:
    'Italexit' just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as 'Brexit'..

    ExItaly should do the trick


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    #90
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    So the government still has majority and apparently the most likely scenario is election of current minister for finance as new prime minister.


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    #91
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    The EU free market is a good thing but the same old despicable beaurocratic faces Juncker, Van Rumpouy, Merkel at el leading the way and with some awful ideas and policy are turning people against it.

    Watch LePen storm France next year and the EU is finished in my opinion.


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