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Italy : ma che cazzo hai fatto ?

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    #32
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    How come until now there was no threads on this referendum or the Austrian election, would they not be of more concern to Ireland than the american election?


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    #33
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Good speech from Renzi. He is spot on on the point of it being very easy to be 'against', much more difficult to move to change and improve things. Criticism of the system for decades, then when offered a chance to reform it, the anti brigade shoots it down.

    And resigns. Fecking hell.


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    #34
    hotwhiskey
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    Italian PM resigns.

    Watch the Euro Free Fall tomorrow.


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    #35
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Maybe reeducation camps would do the trick?

    You may be tempted to such ideas, but without doubt, too far. Some political education in schools, and general improvement in education levels, more likely. It will take time though.


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    #36
    Halloween Jack
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The truth can no longer be sugar coated, and the reality must be faced. It is time for them to face up to the mistakes that they are making with such madcap voting. They have to learn that this petulant voting incompetence, where, given a say in democracy, and a vote in a referendum, they then dont in fact vote on the issue being put to them, but decide they will protest vote, fall to the lies of ignorant crowd pleasers, or, 'send a message' to the government.
    If you cannot vote responsibly, you do not deserve to have a vote, or deserve the troubles such self indulgent voting will bring.
    Time to call a spade a spade on this nonsense. It may be unpleasant, but in the longer term, its for their own good.

    Hahaha, I haven't such deluded self aggrandising drivel in ages!

    Who are you to presume to tell the Italian people what's for their own good? Or decide who's vote is incompetent or self indulgent?

    Keep calling a spade a spade for yourself....


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    #37
    Little CuChulainn
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The world is changing, the peasants are revolting and the elites look on worryingly.

    Elites like Trump? Yeah I'm sure they are terrified as he fills his top positions with the most useless of rich people. Maybe we should install Dennis O Brein as Taoiseach and really show the rich folk what's what.


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    #38
    A Little Pony
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    Isn't talk of Italy leaving the Euro now on the cards? This is great news.


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    #39
    AllGunsBlazing
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    What a load of self indulgent waffle that was. Next victim please!


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    #40
    [Deleted User]
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    hotwhiskey wrote: »
    Italian PM resigns.

    Watch the Euro Free Fall tomorrow.
    It already took a hit when the exit polls were announced.


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    #41
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    An upside is that it leaves one serious operator available for a or the top EU job in the next few years. Italy's loss may well be....


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    #42
    Yourself isit
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    You may be tempted to such ideas, but without doubt, too far. Some political education in schools, and general improvement in education levels, more likely. It will take time though.

    Political education in schools sounds pretty totalitarian.

    The Italians are well educated. If they are voting contra to their interests it's because they are unhappy with the status quo. Given the unemployment rate and the general malaise in the economy that makes sense.

    If ruling elites don't want radicalism they should run the place better.


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    #43
    Donal55
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Isn't talk of Italy leaving the Euro now on the cards? This is great news.

    Even if they all left the € our gang would still remain.


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    #44
    batistuta9
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    Donal55 wrote: »
    Even if they all left the € our gang would still remain.

    Single market


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    #45
    hotwhiskey
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It already took a hit when the exit polls were announced.

    Euro already free falling on Asia markets.


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    #46
    Patser
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Matteo Renzi will be told, it is close to Christmas, we wants our holidays, hold on...

    He must have missed that call.


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    #47
    ThisRegard
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The world is changing, the peasants are revolting and the elites look on worryingly.

    Anyone with s bit if common sense is an elite (poxy phrase that it is) now?


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    #48
    Yourself isit
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Elites like Trump? Yeah I'm sure they are terrified as he fills his top positions with the most useless of rich people. Maybe we should install Dennis O Brein as Taoiseach and really show the rich folk what's what.

    He's not part of the elite nexus that runs the US.
    And he's running against the neo liberal concensus. That's what has failed the west.


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    #49
    Yourself isit
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Anyone with s bit if common sense is an elite (poxy phrase that it is) now?

    That wouldn't be the definition of elites. Although elites do generate common sense.


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    #50
    Spanish Eyes
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    I don't know where the surprise at Renzi's resignation is coming from, I thought he said he would if he lost the referendum.

    No surprise to me, only admiration for following through.


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    #51
    AllGunsBlazing
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    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Never hold a referendum if you don't know the result.

    Or at least brazen enough to keep holding them until you get the desired result.


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    #52
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The world is changing, the peasants are revolting and the elites look on worryingly.

    I'm by no means a member of an 'elite' but it will be a cold day in hell before anybody on the planet will persuade me that the millionaire financier Nigel Farage or the billionaire tax dodger Donald Trump - never mind all these ugh types on the Tory rightwing - are not part of an elite.

    Yes, I would love to kick Stephen Collins/John Bruton/The Irish Times/Independent Newspapers up their smug, conceited, patronising arses so massively that their whole little inbred censorsing, distorting anti-republican anti-socialist excuse for the "free press" is exposed for the sham it really is... but after that urge is over and the "jokes" are told we are still left with Farage/jingoism/Trump and it's really, really ugly.

    Lastly, by every standard, this brave new "anti-establishment" world is going to be really bad for poor people and their rights and really good for corporations and their even lower corporation taxes.


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    #53
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Yourself isit wrote: »
    There will be a golf club led revolution to end the common man's tyranny. I have no doubts of its success.

    Wouldnt be too sure about that. There is very trigger happy, severe censorship of even good quality golf discussion in some golf fora.


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    #54
    AllGunsBlazing
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I don't know where the surprise at Renzi's resignation is coming from, I thought he said he would if he lost the referendum.

    No surprise to me, only admiration for following through.

    In fairness we're more used to Irish politicians and their promises.


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    #55
    ThisRegard
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    Yourself isit wrote: »
    That wouldn't be the definition of elites. Although elites do generate common sense.

    That's because the concept of "the elites" is up there with the Freemasons ruling the world. The so called elites are people you and I elect into government and Europe.


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    #56
    Yourself isit
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    That's because the concept of "the elites" is up there with the Freemasons ruling the world. The so called elites are people you and I elect into government and Europe.

    Not at all. It's the top 1%, the deep state, the military industrial complex in the US, the crony capitalists everwhere. And much of academia.

    Voting is mostly useless. And when change does happen, boy do the proles get a bollocking. They are morons, racists, turkeys. Etc.


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    #57
    Patser
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    Could actually be somewhat good news for Ireland, if the Euro weakens against the pound, it'll get rid of some of the Brexit difference that was hurting our agricultural exports, and border towns losing out to the likes of Newry.

    Wonder what it'll mean to Brexit - hey we might have tariffs coming in, but at least our currency collapse makes us competitive..... And it's gone!


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    #58
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm by no means a member of an 'elite' but it will be a cold day in hell before anybody on the planet will persuade me that the millionaire financier Nigel Farage or the billionaire tax dodger Donald Trump - never mind all these ugh types on the Tory rightwing - are not part of an elite.

    Yes, I would love to kick Stephen Collins/John Bruton/The Irish Times/Independent Newspapers up their smug, conceited, patronising arses so massively that their whole little inbred censorsing, distorting anti-republican anti-socialist excuse for the "free press" is exposed for the sham it really is... but after that urge is over and the "jokes" are told we are still left with Farage/jingoism/Trump and it's really, really ugly.

    Lastly, by every standard, this brave new "anti-establishment" world is going to be really bad for poor people and their rights and really good for corporations and their even lower corporation taxes.
    Well, Brexit hasn't happened yet but is likely to go ahead in March. Trump appears to be starting to keep his "keep jobs in the US" pledge by threatening multinational companies that export jobs with severe tariffs on goods imported by displaced employment.

    Will be very "interesting" (to use the Chinese phrase) over the next few months.


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    #59
    ThisRegard
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    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Not at all. It's the top 1%, the deep state, the military industrial complex in the US, the crony capitalists everwhere. And much of academia.

    Voting is mostly useless. And when change does happen, boy do the proles get a bollocking. They are morons, racists, turkeys. Etc.

    The"proles" as you say just like to use the phrase for some bogey man they believe is responsible for all the ills in the world, often ignoring the governments we have are is their own doing, prime example being what the Italians just voted for. Hey guys, lets reform our various governments. Nah, let's not, by spiting ourselves we'll really give those elites a bloody nose.


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    #60
    vaporwave
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    'Italexit' just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as 'Brexit'..


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    #61
    Halloween Jack
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    That's because the concept of "the elites" is up there with the Freemasons ruling the world. The so called elites are people you and I elect into government and Europe.

    Every human civilisation/society has had elites. They are the ones with the money and the power. When the elites become onerously extractive the societies generally collapse or suffer revolution.


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