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Ireland would have been a better place under British rule?

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    #92
    Galwayguy35
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    I'm no historian but didn't the English take everything that was worth anything from us during the time they occupied Ireland?

    They cut down all the forests to use for their ships and let our ancestors die of hunger by the side of the roads while food was exported to other parts of their "Empire".

    There is a lot that needs fixing here at the moment, most importantly a good health service where people don't have to wait months to be seen by a specialist if the don't have to money to go private or spend 15 hours on a trolley waiting for a bed but Ireland is still a good country to live in.

    However I think it's the quality of Politicians we have in power that's a lot of the problem, they've made some woeful decisions and I think the rot started with De Valera.

    The country might have turned out a lot different if Collins hadn't been shot, I doubt he would have gone running to the church before he made a decision like De Valera did.


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    #93
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    Berserker wrote: »


    Dublin was the second city of the empire up until the creation of the State. Stop trying to play the poor-mouth. Dublin had plenty of power and privilege prior to 1916.

    Propaganda. Dublin was a shíthole slum.

    You'll be calling it the jewel in the crown next.

    When people consider UK compared to Ireland they really think about living in London.

    Large parts of England and Wales (lets not forget heavily subsidised yet under performing NI) are little more than a forgotten inconvenience. Scotland seems to have been carving out an identity for themselves. More power* to them.







    *Literally.


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    #94
    Skommando
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    OK let's treat your question seriously. Have we a model for Ireland under British rule? Yes pre-indepence rep of Ireland and current day Northern Ireland. Let's examine NI .

    Their economy is atrocious, their society is fractured along sectarian lines and hate plays a big part of their politics. No, the facts say we're better out of English rule.

    Scotland done very well under the Brits, especially the rural areas, and if Northern Ireland wasn't so into terrorism and killing each other, so would it.


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    #95
    Annasopra
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    British rule over Ireland so we can become great again.

    Great Britain?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #96
    iLikeWaffles
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    Nothing to do with the Government every Irish person is to blame for putting up with them. How many votes did Enda get in his constituency 15-20k less!? and he becomes Taoiseach because he is party leader. If you have someone who has no merits for leadership and politicians that are sh*t at their job your going to have a sh*t Government.

    It is up to all Irish people to make sure that our Government knows what they are doing. That are actually educated and qualified to do the job instead of just sh*t talking when election comes about and in doing so know that they will become Taoiseach because they are party leader. So why oh why do we vote in a general election locally only for the party leader to run the country waste of money.

    We should all be voting for a Taoiseach together. That way we give a person that has the knowledge and the expertise the power to run the country. Put it this way if a Political Science Professor from Trinity College ran for Taoiseach and he was up against the many clowns currently in power who would we vote for.... It wouldn't be taking 70 days either!!


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    #97
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    iLikeWaffles wrote: »
    Put it this way if a Political Science Professor from Trinity College ran for Taoiseach and he was up against the many clowns currently in power who would we vote for.... It wouldn't be taking 70 days either!!

    Sorry, an academic is the best you can think of to become Taoiseach?


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    #98
    iLikeWaffles
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Sorry, an academic is the best you can think of to become Taoiseach?

    Did you miss the point?


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    #99
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2014/05/2852/298170


    That's 650Km2 , two thirds the size of County Dublin which is 922 Km2.



    Map of top 50 estates     from https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/10/scotland-land-rights
    The times of the "Landed Gentry" are returning, makes no difference what the country is called or who rules, the land will not be owned by you or your neighbours.


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    #100
    Owryan
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    Seeing as how our government is so incompetent makes you think if it would have been better to stay part of the UK. Ireland is so badly managed when you compare it to similar mainland countries like Switzerland and Belgium, Ireland comes out as a bit of a joke.

    Serious, if you hate/dislike Ireland so much why do you spend all your time here giving out about the country? Why not just fcuk off to one of those countries you seem to idolise?


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    #101
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    iLikeWaffles wrote: »
    Did you miss the point?

    If the point was to suggest we could potentially get someone as useless as an academic it was a bit of a waste.

    People, I think, mostly over estimate the effect a government has on the running of a country.

    Name a few politicians that you think have made a significant and positive effect on their country? And I'm guessing none of them were political professors.


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    #102
    0ph0rce0
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    We should just rename this site to BOARDS.CO.UK

    These threads are getting boring now.


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    #103
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #104
    Johnboner
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    iLikeWaffles wrote: »
    Nothing to do with the Government every Irish person is to blame for putting up with them. How many votes did Enda get in his constituency 15-20k less!? and he becomes Taoiseach because he is party leader. If you have someone who has no merits for leadership and politicians that are sh*t at their job your going to have a sh*t Government.

    It is up to all Irish people to make sure that our Government knows what they are doing. That are actually educated and qualified to do the job instead of just sh*t talking when election comes about and in doing so know that they will become Taoiseach because they are party leader. So why oh why do we vote in a general election locally only for the party leader to run the country waste of money.

    We should all be voting for a Taoiseach together. That way we give a person that has the knowledge and the expertise the power to run the country. Put it this way if a Political Science Professor from Trinity College ran for Taoiseach and he was up against the many clowns currently in power who would we vote for.... It wouldn't be taking 70 days either!!


    If this happened in France then there would be riots everywhere but not in Ireland, everyone will continue to smile while they are getting screwed over by the government.


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    #105
    Johnboner
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    Owryan wrote: »
    Serious, if you hate/dislike Ireland so much why do you spend all your time here giving out about the country? Why not just fcuk off to one of those countries you seem to idolise?


    But I am... And yes got riddance I will say it myself before you do it. Enjoy living in this corrupt mess.


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    #106
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    But I am... And yes got riddance I will say it myself before you do it. Enjoy living in this corrupt mess.

    Probably a good idea not to go to an English speaking country.


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    #107
    Collie D
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    Question for you, John. Who did you vote for in last election?


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    #108
    indioblack
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    irishfeen wrote: »
    After the Easter Rising and the shooting of the leaders Ireland became ungovernable from a British POV ... it was the straw that broke the camels back.
    Agree. Enough people wanted the country to be independent - and were prepared to accept the economic price. Some would argue that, given time, there would be benefits for Ireland within the UK. Maybe so, but I think that this was a watershed in Anglo-Irish relations - and, for many, it was a time to sever the link to Britain.


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    #109
    pablo128
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    British rule over Ireland so we can become great again.

    Be grand so long as they don't let 90% of the population of Ireland either die of starvation or leave.

    Again.


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    #110
    Johnboner
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Question for you, John. Who did you vote for in last election?


    Didn't vote for anyone as there is absolutely no point because Mr Enda wins anyway. Basically it's an useless system. The only way to solve that would be a revolution like the French did and become a direct democracy as I believe it is the system that would work well as it does for all the other countries which have it and of course throw out the corrupt politicians which means everyone in there and have a fresh start. But I know this will never happen and Ireland will forever stay the same so I am the one that is leaving. I want to live in a country where I can count on the emergency services and hospitals and this is never happening Ireland as people just accept the situation. I would have thought after paying so many taxes that I would deserve at to get at least decent emergency and hospital service but definitely not in this country.


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    #111
    steddyeddy
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    Skommando wrote: »
    Scotland done very well under the Brits, especially the rural areas, and if Northern Ireland wasn't so into terrorism and killing each other, so would it.

    It was on the decline pre-terrorism. It also had state sponsered discrimination and a highly segregated society all under British rule. Not a good investment oppertunity.


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    Capt'n Midnight
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    Skommando wrote: »
    Scotland done very well under the Brits, especially the rural areas, and if Northern Ireland wasn't so into terrorism and killing each other, so would it.
    Yes the rural areas have done very well. Well at least for the 963 people who own 60% of them. And that 60% was shared out by over 1,180 people back in 1970 so quite a consolidation with 18% less landowners.

    At partition NI had the heavy industry with the mills and shipyards. Down here the railway infrastructure was destroyed and we were exporting live cattle. I think you may find that things like the Ulster Workers' Council strike did more damage. Even during the worst of the troubles you were still three times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident.


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    #113
    Elemonator
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    Eh, have you seen Northern Ireland OP? Ireland was only ever in the UK to be exploited and not much has changed. If you are getting the ferry from Holyhead and drive across the border from England to Wales, the contrast in investment are obvious. The road quality and quality of the infrastructure nose dives. It's an Englishman's club for the English. With the current political arrangement there, its better off we stay independent.


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    #114
    Collie D
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    Didn't vote for anyone.

    I had my suspicions but you've confirmed it. Nothing to see here, folks. Just another moaner who won't even vote. Good luck in whatever utopia you land in


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    #115
    Johnboner
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    Collie D wrote: »
    I had my suspicions but you've confirmed it. Nothing to see here, folks. Just another moaner who won't even vote. Good luck in whatever utopia you land in

    Did you read anything else I wrote? It makes no difference who you vote for, crocked Enda and his goons will end up in the same place anyway no matter who you vote for.


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    Johnboner wrote: »
    crocked Enda .

    Oh no! Is Enda sick, wasn't Fidel enough for you 2016!!!


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    #118
    A Little Pony
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    Like Connolly said, England still rules you.


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    Galwayguy35
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    Didn't vote for anyone as there is absolutely no point because Mr Enda wins anyway. Basically it's an useless system. The only way to solve that would be a revolution like the French did and become a direct democracy as I believe it is the system that would work well as it does for all the other countries which have it and of course throw out the corrupt politicians which means everyone in there and have a fresh start. But I know this will never happen and Ireland will forever stay the same so I am the one that is leaving. I want to live in a country where I can count on the emergency services and hospitals and this is never happening Ireland as people just accept the situation. I would have thought after paying so many taxes that I would deserve at to get at least decent emergency and hospital service but definitely not in this country.

    So what country are you going to?


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    Elemonator wrote: »
    Eh, have you seen Northern Ireland OP? Ireland was only ever in the UK to be exploited and not much has changed. If you are getting the ferry from Holyhead and drive across the border from England to Wales, the contrast in investment are obvious. The road quality and quality of the infrastructure nose dives. It's an Englishman's club for the English. With the current political arrangement there, its better off we stay independent.
    I don't know when you made that journey, but the A55 has been completely rebuilt in recent years. North Wales was an industrial wasteland in the 1980s ( I know as I lived there at the time) but then again the same could be said for much of the North & Midlands as a result of the "de-industrialization" policies of the Thatcher government.


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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Like Connolly said, England still rules you.

    Band practice over?


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