Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Mellor wrote: »

You need to go back to wikipedia at check their records.
As I said above, they both fought in 4 divisions and won in 3.

Clue:

You are forgetting Diego's middleweight bout

TBF it was the same situation with Kenny and Diego at MW. And nobody ever held that against them.

Cheers, will go back and give it a better look in the morning.

Billy86 wrote: »

g he was mid 170s. Either way, he cut to get to 170.5

Conor cut to get to 168.

Doesn't mean he's a welter weight.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Conor cut to get to 168.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It was two light weight not cutting weight.

And Dana was lying when he said he was 190 for the fight. And Nate was supposedly lying when he said he was 200 two weeks before the fight. And just because Nate also confirmed he weighed comfortably above 170 on the day of the fight doesn't mean it was a 170 fight.

I'll just leave it at that so.....

I feel like Gollum in the LOTR's but one more post while I'm watching Mighty Mouse do what he does best... unimpressively dominating in front of a half-empty crowd....

StringerBell wrote: »

Why would I need to read it?

Why would he want to, or need to get out of his UFC contract to have a fight with Mayweather?

There are 2 key reasons why Conor MIGHT want to get out of his UFC contract. The first reason is highly unlikely (at this point) and the second reason is probably the real reason.

1. If he gets out of his UFC contract, he's open to co-promoting the fight himself - thereby cutting the UFC completely out of the situation. If the UFC co-promote the fight, their cut of Conors slice of the pie is substantial and runs into the tens of millions.

Cutting the UFC out of it, theoretically allows a newly formed McGregor Promotions or Paradigm-McGregor teaming up to co-promote with Floyds side.

Unlikely. At the moment. May change but doubt it.

2. More realistically:

And this is what I took from his interview talking about "previous Floyd opponents"..... He could book a fight against his good friend Andre Berto and go to court seeking declaratory relief from the Ali Act. If he wins the case, then it means a Judge in Nevada has ruled the UFC contract (or part of) to be illegal.

James Quinn, the heavy hitting lawyer involved with GSP, is under no doubt that the current UFC contracts would be un-enforceable in a court of law.

If Conor gets a Judge to rule his contract is illegal, it means he can re-negotiate a NEW CONTRACT with the UFC.

This is important. He is using the threat of getting a Judge to rule his contract illegal under the Ali Act to get a new contract. The UFC knows well their contracts are un-enforceable in a court of law when it comes to the Ali Act and dozens of other provisions, notably around the Independent Contractor definition.

If Conor has 5 fights left on the contract (rumour is he signed 8-fight deal pre-Aldo) and the UFC refuses to negotiate a new contract right now, then threatening to get a Judge to rule his previous contract un-enforceable/illegal is vital, as the UFC would be in a worse leverage position if they allowed him to become a de facto free agent through court. It's noteworthy that the new contract didn't kick in until post-Aldo fight.

So, of the 2 possibilities - 1. He actually wants to fight and promote v Mayweather or 2. He actually wants out of his old contract and the Ali Act route is the way of putting most pressure on the UFC to cave to his financial demands, then the latter is most likely.

He will probably play hardball and try to re-negotiate his image rights and media content into the new contract, alongside increasing his PPV share and disclosed pay.

Either way, I expect if negotiations on the new contract stall, then he'll announce a California fight with Berto and go down that road to smoke the UFC out into discussions.

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah come on, you can't be champion and fight 3 different fights....

You can in boxing. It's littered with examples.

Bob Foster as I mentioned previously fought 3 times at Heavyweight in 1960 , despite being the lineal Light-Heavyweight Champ, and was not stripped.

Pernell Whitaker fought twice at Junior Welterweight despite being Lineal Lightweight Champion.

The history of boxing is rife with men not defending their titles yet still being active in other divisions.

MMA is not boxing but the idea of belts, title defences etc is another facet MMA did directly borrow from boxing.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Except himself

He considered himself the world champion in his own head before he'd even made his debut in Cage Warriors and that was after the Sitenkov defeat.

The fact he still considers himself the 2-weight world champion (and always will) is not a negative. It's a mindset.

This time, his reasons for the belief are a little bit more grounded in reality (the KO's of Aldo and Eddie) than merely visualization.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Like it or not there is truth in the statement. Defending your title solidifies you as Champion.

If you want to claim Aldo is a Paper Champ for being declared Champion because Conor refused to fulfill his obligation then there is just as many arguments for considering Conor one for refusing to fulfill his obligations as Champion.

How many defences are required to be recognized in your mind as a "champion" or "solidified champion"? 1? 2? 3? And why?

By your logic, the following list of fighters were never "real champions" as they never successfully defended a belt - even once.

Frank Mir
Fabricio Werdum
Josh Barnett
Vitor Belfort
Forrest Griffin
Rashad Evans
Shogun Rua
Evan Tanner
Johny Hendricks
Eddie Alvarez
Holly Holm
Miesha Tate

None of the above successfully defended a full UFC championship belt. Most of them tried, sure, but none succeeded (Barnett and Mir never got the chance to try).

Either way, none of them made a successful defence.

In your mind, and using your logic, all of the above were "paper champions" as defending the belt is a pre-requisite (using your logic) to be considered a "real champion".

Whereas, in my mind, you're talking absolute rubbish and the above list of fighters, for the most part, are LEGENDS and most of them going straight into the Hall-of-Fame in the UFC.

They were true champions regardless of whether they ever made a successful title defence. That includes Conor. If he retires tomorrow, there's no asterix in my mind and none should be attached to the others who failed to make a successful defence either.

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As for "Obligations as Champion" - There is no express provision in a UFC Champions Contract that spells out these "Obligations". One of the aims of the new fighters union is to get this spelled out.

In boxing, the rule in WBC, WBO, WBA is that a champion must undertake one mandatory defence of his title per year, unless injured OR UNLESS fighting in a different weight class with the approval of the sanctioning body (which is almost always given - see Tony Bellew v David Haye for exhibit A).

Conor is only refusing to meet YOUR idea of obligations. There's nothing contractually that specifies he must fight in a certain time period.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

If he was confident he could beat Aldo the same way again he would have signed up to defend his belt against him.

He's confident he'll beat everyone and always has been.

He was confident he'd beat Joe Duffy, Mendes, Aldo, Diaz, Alvarez.

Notice he lost 2 of those fights listed above.

Of all the nonsense you've written in recent pages, the mere idea that Conor McGregor is not confident of beating any man is ridiculous and worse, the idea he's not confident of beating a man he already knocked into unconsciousness in 13 seconds, is the most laughable thing I've ever read.

Ever.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You sound like the butthurt one.

Find where I said I hated Conor yet?

JohnMc1 wrote: »

For you maybe. Now post where I said I hated Conor.

The KKK don't exactly release regular statements saying they hate black people.

Everyone knows they do though.

Funny, that.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Exactly. Aldo earned his rematch, Conor refused and therefore stripped. Aldo is the true Champion again.

As Coach Kavanagh often says, you can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts.

FACTS: When RDA got injured the first person offered the fight was Jose Aldo.

Jose Aldo refused the match, not vice versa. But don't let facts get in your way.



It is kinda saddening that the begrudgers and haters are out in force so soon after his history-making achievements.

Conor, in my mind, is 100% the Sports Personality of the Year and the fact it's even a debate is mildly embarrassing.

Roy Keane for years wanted us to stop with this "happy to take part" nonsense.

Conor McGregor went out and took over. He said it and did it.

AN IRISH MAN.....a lad from Crumlin.........took Muhammad Ali's Madison Square Garden Attendance Record this year!!!! He took Lennox Lewis/Holyfield Gate Record!! He made $40 million in 2016. He has 18 million followers on Social Media. He made history in a company sold for $4.2 BILLION in a sport that is fast becoming a global mainstream sport.

If that was any other sport, with those numbers, statistics, he'd be a stone-cold certainty.

Yet the Irish public are seriously considering giving it to 2 lads from Cork who got a silver medal pulling a boat like a dog?

We finally have an out-and-out rising-star in the world of sport who transcends the country and people are constantly trying to downplay his achievements. Not one of the other people nominated would be recognised outside of Ireland and a lot of them wouldn't even be recognised outside of their counties.

Yet we have a man who would be recognised in the depths of Siberia or up a mountain in Peru.

The begrudgery shows no signs of stopping and nothing he does will appease some people. He could go KO Woodley and you'd all be moaning he's ducking Aldo.

Sad.

The video is confused in what it's trying to demonstrate.

The advantage in boxing gloves is that it gives more protection to the hand, it's not really about the person being hit, it's the guy throwing.

The structure of the glove down the wrist along with the boxing style hand wraps which almost completely eliminate finger movement, means that the hand is very well protected when combined with the padding meaning you can throw harder and not have to worry as much about hitting a forearm, elbow or head instead of connecting flush every time.

MMA gloves and wraps give a the same protections to a lesser extent bare knuckle offers none of it.


There's pretty much zero evidence that gloves protect the person being hit, they're still getting sub-concussive damage, and it might actually be worse because you can throw harder with less fear of breaking your hand.


Go to a gym, punch a bag with your hands. Then put on wraps, punch it again. Then put on MMA gloves and punch it again and so on with boxing gloves.

Your hand will feel more sturdy and less likely to get injured in the boxing gloves with proper wraps.