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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #2072
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You must have missed the part where he beat Nate Diaz.

    Go on, back off to the puzzle factory with you now.

    You're good. I'll know not to engage in such a stimulating battle of the minds with such an articulate individual in the future, a man who really gets to the bottom of ones points and who would never dare ignore the substance of a whole post. My bad mo chara


  • #2073
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Ah good, this guy is back.

    Comedy from the 196 thread.
    The anger runs deep in the haters.
    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    McGregor could fight Nate 10 times at any weight and with different tactics and he'll lose every single time. Nate is a machine who will always go the distance, hardy as fcuk. For all McGregors talk, he simple isn't, infact he's extremely soft if you rattle him. We seen it with Mendes too. If he doesn't take you out quickly, and he never will with Nate, he'll lose 9 out of 10 times as the other fighter will always start to come into it. And Diaz will always get into the fight at some point. He'll never beat Nate at any weight


  • #2074
    ardinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    Icelandicseige wrote: »
    I think people are underestimating Mcgregors chances against Floyd IMO.
    McGregor knocked Nate Diaz 3 times at welterweight.
    I know gloves will be bigger if the fight ever did happen but mcgregor has super pricision and technique aiming for the chin and although he will get hit a lot more by floyd I think he can handle what he throws.

    Floyd is a points fighter. It will be a game of who's the better counter puncher. Anyway that's just my small unimportant opinion but I'd be picking McGregor for the win!!

    Dunno if is say he would win but I do feel it would be a much better contest than people make it out to be.

    12 rounds is a long time - all conor has to do is hit him once with a good left and although the gloves are bigger, if he can rock floyd at all then I think it will have been a success!
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  • #2075
    Icelandicseige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Icelandicseige


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Floyd has fought harder hitters with much better hands than Conor.

    The half decent amateur boxer from Crumlin hasn't a hope in hell.

    Conor wouldn't have a hope in hell against any top 10 amateur in his weight class in Ireland in a boxing match, never mind the best boxer of the last 20 odd years and a man in the running for the greatest of all time argument.

    Ok maybe so but how can you call some one that's TKO"D Most of his opponents with his boxing skills an Amateur. He is two weight world champion in two weights classes (well was anyway). And alto its MMA he has them in the people that he has fought a well capable fighters. Just think he is being written off to quickly!
    It only takes one shot, and mcgregor seems to have that power!


  • #2076
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Icelandicseige wrote: »
    Ok maybe so but how can you call some one that's TKO"D Most of his opponents with his boxing skills an Amateur. He is two weight world champion in two weights classes (well was anyway). And alto its MMA he has them in the people that he has fought a well capable fighters. Just think he is being written off to quickly!

    MMA is not boxing.


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  • #2077
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭VW 1


    Icelandicseige wrote:
    Ok maybe so but how can you call some one that's TKO"D Most of his opponents with his boxing skills an Amateur. He is two weight world champion in two weights classes (well was anyway). And alto its MMA he has them in the people that he has fought a well capable fighters. Just think he is being written off to quickly!

    Amateur in a boxing sense meaning by Queensbury rules.

    Mma boxing is a completely different t sport due to the number of factors such as avoiding take downs, the possibility of clinches against the cage etc.

    Massive differences in technique to the point where being good at one doesn't mean being good at the other.


  • #2078
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He signed a contract for 8 fights. If he retires then he is breaking that contract. Do you understand what a contract is??
    He wouldn't be breaking the contract. You are incorrect.

    The tone of you post is ridiculous given that you clearly don't misunderstand how contracts works yourself.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    It's not a vendetta, anyone that signs a contract, especially if it has a large signing on fee and a bigger % cut based on the longevity of the contract and decides to give in midway through would be sued for breach.

    Do you think the UFC write the contracts on the back of a fag packet??
    No, they wouldn't be sued.
    I know you only really post in this thread. So maybe you haven't heard of GSP. But he was the biggest UFC star a few years ago and he retired mid contract. He wasn't sued as you suggest. Ditto for Randy Couture before that. And countless fighter who retire every year.

    UFC contracts are legally tight documents. Which is why is crazy to suggest that such an extensive contract doesn't consider something as routine as retirement.

    Excerpt from a ZUFFA contract
    Retirement Clause wrote:
    "If at any time during the Term, Fighter decides to retire from mixed martial arts or other professional fighting competition, then ZUFFA may, at its election, (i) suspend the Term for the period of such retirement;

    A fighter is free to retire. His contract is suspended. Retirement is not a breach.
    If he comes out of contract, then he returns to the UFC and completes the contract.


  • #2079
    Icelandicseige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Icelandicseige


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    MMA is not boxing.

    That's what makes the fight so interesting :D


  • #2080
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Icelandicseige wrote: »
    That's what makes the fight so interesting :D

    No, that's what makes it a total mismatch.


  • #2081
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Exactly. You may not have to agree with me, but to willfully ignore the crux of a point in such a disingenuous manner is pathetic imo. Not only did he need extra time to train (with Diaz willing to fight anywhere, any place, anytime......hey isn't that McGregors mantra?), and to only come up with such negative tactics to win on points in all that time, makes a mockery of everything he's said before and since of every other opponent and their inability to KO opponents.

    the move from 200 to 202 has been discussed ad nauseum on here its time to get over it...there were several other factors at play that we dont need to get into again but its highly disengenuous to say it was all a ploy for extra training time. also hilarious to use a guy fighting strategically agaisnt a fighter with advantages in height, weight and reach to win on points against him is nonsensical. whatever the method of victory, and nomatter how much it hurts your feelings, the fact of the matter is conor beat diaz at 202. Now drop it and move on with your life


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  • #2082
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Floyd has fought harder hitters with much better hands than Conor.

    The half decent amateur boxer from Crumlin hasn't a hope in hell.

    Conor wouldn't have a hope in hell against any top 10 amateur in his weight class in Ireland in a boxing match, never mind the best boxer of the last 20 odd years and a man in the running for the greatest of all time argument.

    Have to agree with this.

    It's a total different game and level.

    He gassed from throwing heavy punches in 5 mins against nate.

    How would he last 12 rounds throwing just punches?

    It's a total different fitness level in boxing and he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland.

    Excellent mma fighter no doubting that but lets just accept boxing is different.


  • #2083
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,251 ✭✭✭SteM


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Have to agree with this.

    It's a total different game and level.

    He gassed from throwing heavy punches in 5 mins against nate.

    How would he last 12 rounds throwing just punches?

    It's a total different fitness level in boxing and he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland.

    Excellent mma fighter no doubting that but lets just accept boxing is different.

    I think you're wrong to say that he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland.

    You're assuming that McGregor isn't smart enough to change his fighting style if he were to box. We've already seen between the two Nate fights that he is a fighter that can change his style. His cardio also improved between the 2 fights.

    If McGregor were to box tomorrow you might have a point. If he was to go into a full boxing camp then who knows? I certainly wouldn't bet against him if he was fighting amateur opposition.


  • #2084
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    SteM wrote: »
    I think you're wrong to say that he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland.

    You're assuming that McGregor isn't smart enough to change his fighting style if he were to box. We've already seen between the two Nate fights that he is a fighter that can change his style. His cardio also improved between the 2 fights.

    If McGregor were to box tomorrow you might have a point. If he was to go into a full boxing camp then who knows? I certainly wouldn't bet against him if he was fighting amateur opposition.

    Fair point I'm just going on his current boxing.


  • #2085
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    I just don't see how people can write off McGregor against top amateur boxers. The chap trains full time with a significant portion of that in boxing.

    Mayweather may be a different class. I'm not a snob who pretends to be a boxing expert. But I've watched enough of Mayweather to know McGregor could catch him a few times. Will it hurt him enough to rock him towards defeat? Probably not with boxing gloves vs MMA gloves.


  • #2086
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    John_D80 wrote: »
    @weldoninho you have it way wrong mate.

    The UFC or any promotion cannot force a fighter to fight if he does not want to fight, even if he is contracted, but he can not fight for another promoter/organisation while the contract is active. Most fighters probably retire with fights left on their contract.

    Actually (and ironically) if the UFC attempted to force any fighter to engage in a potentially dangerous activity like fighting, against their will, the fighter themselves would actually have reasonable grounds to seek a termination of the contract.

    I literally stated about 5-10 posts up from this that the UFC couldn't force anyone to fight. I said they'd go after the money.

    To use an analogy, If you hired a painter to paint your house, and it had 8 rooms (fights). He said ok, I need money up front for the paint for all 8 rooms and a deposit for each room(signing on fee), he proceeds to paint 4 rooms (I.e. Has 4 fights) then doesn't turn up. You call him and he says he's retired. You'd be happy enough?? Or would you think he owed you money back or for the rooms to be painted.

    It's not rocket science lads.


  • #2087
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,251 ✭✭✭SteM


    You're throwing out examples of recording artists and analogies of painters but you've never answered a question that you've been asked. How many times in the past has the UFC gone after a fighter for retiring? Did they go after GSP?


  • #2088
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Axwell wrote: »
    Not sure where you get your information but it is way off..

    Are you familiar with the UFC retirement clause? I would hazard a guess you are not based on your comments. The UFC would not be in a position to sue McGregor if he retires, his contract goes into a paused status on retirement. That is not to say he can then go and fight Mayweather if he retires, as he cant. But as for the UFC being able to sue him for retiring, nonsense.

    So you are saying that he could have signed his new contract, taken the signing on fee and retired with free money???


  • #2089
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I literally stated about 5-10 posts up from this that the UFC couldn't force anyone to fight. I said they'd go after the money.

    To use an analogy, If you hired a painter to paint your house, and it had 8 rooms (fights). He said ok, I need money up front for the paint for all 8 rooms and a deposit for each room(signing on fee), he proceeds to paint 4 rooms (I.e. Has 4 fights) then doesn't turn up. You call him and he says he's retired. You'd be happy enough?? Or would you think he owed you money back or for the rooms to be painted.

    It's not rocket science lads.

    That's isn't proof, it's an inference based on a spurious analogy. You do realise that?

    Provide a UFC contract or a source which references what happens when a UFC fighter retires*, or admit you are making inferences. It's really that simple.


    *Not a singer, not a footballer, not a painter, not another MMA organisation. A UFC fighter.


  • #2090
    Whelo79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So you are saying that he could have signed his new contract, taken the signing on fee and retired with free money???

    What signing on fee? You are being presumptuous thinking there was one.


  • #2091
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Saipanne wrote: »
    That's isn't proof, it's an inference based on a spurious analogy. You do realise that?

    Provide a UFC contract or a source which references what happens when a UFC fighter retires*, or admit you are making inferences. It's really that simple.


    *Not a singer, not a footballer, not a painter, not another MMA organisation. A UFC fighter.

    I don't have one. I guess the UFC uses Lionel Hutz to do up its contracts.


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  • #2092
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    To use an analogy, If you hired a painter to paint your house, and it had 8 rooms (fights). He said ok, I need money up front for the paint for all 8 rooms and a deposit for each room(signing on fee), he proceeds to paint 4 rooms (I.e. Has 4 fights) then doesn't turn up. You call him and he says he's retired. You'd be happy enough?? Or would you think he owed you money back or for the rooms to be painted.

    It's not rocket science lads.
    Jesus Christ, dig up man, dig up!


  • #2093
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    You're good. I'll know not to engage in such a stimulating battle of the minds with such an articulate individual in the future, a man who really gets to the bottom of ones points and who would never dare ignore the substance of a whole post. My bad mo chara
    The awkward moment when the guy who doesn't seem to realise McGregor best Diaz tried go talk down to you...

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  • #2094
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I don't have one. I guess the UFC uses Lionel Hutz to do up its contracts.

    So you're making inferences then. Glad we cleared that up.

    Stick a fork in guys, it's done. :)


  • #2095
    PhilipsR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭PhilipsR


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I literally stated about 5-10 posts up from this that the UFC couldn't force anyone to fight. I said they'd go after the money.

    To use an analogy, If you hired a painter to paint your house, and it had 8 rooms (fights). He said ok, I need money up front for the paint for all 8 rooms and a deposit for each room(signing on fee), he proceeds to paint 4 rooms (I.e. Has 4 fights) then doesn't turn up. You call him and he says he's retired. You'd be happy enough?? Or would you think he owed you money back or for the rooms to be painted.

    It's not rocket science lads.

    How about you use an UFC analogy rather than one with no relevance? Look up GSP, case closed, now sit down.


  • #2096
    paulieeye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭paulieeye


    The idea that an organisation can force you into a physically harmful and potentially life ending activity under the thread of being sued is simply laughable. And that is what it is, "going after the money" as is being said is just another way of saying that.

    If, for example, a fighter is no longer mentally in the game (and thereby putting himself at huge risk), he has every right to retire without the thread of being sued. Far as I know fighters are paid on a fight by fight basis. Granted some contracts are front loaded but I'm sure this is negotiated by the fighter and allowed by the UFC as a perk of the contract with them knowing that retirement is an option.

    I am basing this of every fighter who has retired in the UFC with fights left on their contracts. If there is other info to base any other view point on, I would love to hear it.


  • #2097
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Icelandicseige wrote: »
    I think people are underestimating Mcgregors chances against Floyd IMO.
    McGregor knocked Nate Diaz 3 times at welterweight.
    I know gloves will be bigger if the fight ever did happen but mcgregor has super pricision and technique aiming for the chin and although he will get hit a lot more by floyd I think he can handle what he throws.

    Floyd is a points fighter. It will be a game of who's the better counter puncher. Anyway that's just my small unimportant opinion but I'd be picking McGregor for the win!!

    Mayweather has far more to lose if this fight ever happened, not finishing it early ......McGregor taking it to the late rounds would be a success, Mayweather gettng 'hurt' in any way would be a major embarrassment, that left of McGregor's can put anyone on their arse if connects sweetly .........I can only see him ducking this fight, he doesn't need the money and that's his only win factor in such a fight, he finishes it early then 'so what' that's what everyone expected


  • #2098
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    paulieeye wrote: »
    The idea that an organisation can force you into a physically harmful and potentially life ending activity under the thread of being sued is simply laughable. And that is what it is, "going after the money" as is being said is just another way of saying that.

    If, for example, a fighter is no longer mentally in the game (and thereby putting himself at huge risk), he has every right to retire without the thread of being sued. Far as I know fighters are paid on a fight by fight basis. Granted some contracts are front loaded but I'm sure this is negotiated by the fighter and allowed by the UFC as a perk of the contract with them knowing that retirement is an option.

    I am basing this of every fighter who has retired in the UFC with fights left on their contracts. If there is other info to base any other view point on, I would love to hear it.

    I've stated TWICE now that in no way, shape or form could UFC make ANYONE fight if they didn't want to. Is that clear enough??

    If a fighter is no longer mentally in the game then he will be medically unable to compete. Same as if he broke his neck etc, I'd imagine that's what insurance is for. It's completely different to a fighter deciding he just can't be bothered because he was stripped of a belt he refused to defend, which is the hypothetical situation we are discussing.


  • #2099
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It's a total different fitness level in boxing and he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland.

    Eh, no it isn't.

    You make it sound like mma fighters are out of shape amateur lads.


  • #2100
    midnight city
    Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭midnight city


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Floyd has fought harder hitters with much better hands than Conor.

    The half decent amateur boxer from Crumlin hasn't a hope in hell.

    Conor wouldn't have a hope in hell against any top 10 amateur in his weight class in Ireland in a boxing match, never mind the best boxer of the last 20 odd years and a man in the running for the greatest of all time argument.

    It would be a very interesting fight though, how long could conor last, would he be completely embarrassed, would he last to the later rounds, would he have a change if he could land a few clean shots.

    Conor knows he couldn't beat him in a 'boxing match' so he would go head hunting looking for the knock out or the tko.


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  • #2101
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I've stated TWICE now that in no way, shape or form could UFC make ANYONE fight if they didn't want to. Is that clear enough??

    If a fighter is no longer mentally in the game then he will be medically unable to compete. Same as if he broke his neck etc, I'd imagine that's what insurance is for. It's completely different to a fighter deciding he just can't be bothered because he was stripped of a belt he refused to defend, which is the hypothetical situation we are discussing.

    We understand what you are saying. They an't force them to fight, they'd go after the money for breach of contract.
    You are still completely wrong.

    The contracts have a clause that allows for retirement. This is realy basic stuff. I already mentioned it here, but I guess you missed it.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101843898&postcount=2078

    GSP retire as the biggest draw in the UFC. He wasn't finished his contract and he wasn't sued for breach of contract.
    Nor did they try reclaim the fictional signing-on bonus you keep mentioning

    Retirement Clause wrote:
    "If at any time during the Term, Fighter decides to retire from mixed martial arts or other professional fighting competition, then ZUFFA may, at its election, (i) suspend the Term for the period of such retirement;


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