Billy86 wrote: » You must have missed the part where he beat Nate Diaz. Go on, back off to the puzzle factory with you now.
The Golden Miller wrote: » McGregor could fight Nate 10 times at any weight and with different tactics and he'll lose every single time. Nate is a machine who will always go the distance, hardy as fcuk. For all McGregors talk, he simple isn't, infact he's extremely soft if you rattle him. We seen it with Mendes too. If he doesn't take you out quickly, and he never will with Nate, he'll lose 9 out of 10 times as the other fighter will always start to come into it. And Diaz will always get into the fight at some point. He'll never beat Nate at any weight
Icelandicseige wrote: » I think people are underestimating Mcgregors chances against Floyd IMO. McGregor knocked Nate Diaz 3 times at welterweight. I know gloves will be bigger if the fight ever did happen but mcgregor has super pricision and technique aiming for the chin and although he will get hit a lot more by floyd I think he can handle what he throws. Floyd is a points fighter. It will be a game of who's the better counter puncher. Anyway that's just my small unimportant opinion but I'd be picking McGregor for the win!!
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » Floyd has fought harder hitters with much better hands than Conor. The half decent amateur boxer from Crumlin hasn't a hope in hell. Conor wouldn't have a hope in hell against any top 10 amateur in his weight class in Ireland in a boxing match, never mind the best boxer of the last 20 odd years and a man in the running for the greatest of all time argument.
Icelandicseige wrote: » Ok maybe so but how can you call some one that's TKO"D Most of his opponents with his boxing skills an Amateur. He is two weight world champion in two weights classes (well was anyway). And alto its MMA he has them in the people that he has fought a well capable fighters. Just think he is being written off to quickly!
Icelandicseige wrote: Ok maybe so but how can you call some one that's TKO"D Most of his opponents with his boxing skills an Amateur. He is two weight world champion in two weights classes (well was anyway). And alto its MMA he has them in the people that he has fought a well capable fighters. Just think he is being written off to quickly!
weldoninhio wrote: » He signed a contract for 8 fights. If he retires then he is breaking that contract. Do you understand what a contract is??
weldoninhio wrote: » It's not a vendetta, anyone that signs a contract, especially if it has a large signing on fee and a bigger % cut based on the longevity of the contract and decides to give in midway through would be sued for breach. Do you think the UFC write the contracts on the back of a fag packet??
Retirement Clause wrote: "If at any time during the Term, Fighter decides to retire from mixed martial arts or other professional fighting competition, then ZUFFA may, at its election, (i) suspend the Term for the period of such retirement;
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » MMA is not boxing.
Icelandicseige wrote: » That's what makes the fight so interesting
The Golden Miller wrote: » Exactly. You may not have to agree with me, but to willfully ignore the crux of a point in such a disingenuous manner is pathetic imo. Not only did he need extra time to train (with Diaz willing to fight anywhere, any place, anytime......hey isn't that McGregors mantra?), and to only come up with such negative tactics to win on points in all that time, makes a mockery of everything he's said before and since of every other opponent and their inability to KO opponents.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Have to agree with this. It's a total different game and level. He gassed from throwing heavy punches in 5 mins against nate. How would he last 12 rounds throwing just punches? It's a total different fitness level in boxing and he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland. Excellent mma fighter no doubting that but lets just accept boxing is different.
SteM wrote: » I think you're wrong to say that he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland. You're assuming that McGregor isn't smart enough to change his fighting style if he were to box. We've already seen between the two Nate fights that he is a fighter that can change his style. His cardio also improved between the 2 fights. If McGregor were to box tomorrow you might have a point. If he was to go into a full boxing camp then who knows? I certainly wouldn't bet against him if he was fighting amateur opposition.
John_D80 wrote: » @weldoninho you have it way wrong mate. The UFC or any promotion cannot force a fighter to fight if he does not want to fight, even if he is contracted, but he can not fight for another promoter/organisation while the contract is active. Most fighters probably retire with fights left on their contract. Actually (and ironically) if the UFC attempted to force any fighter to engage in a potentially dangerous activity like fighting, against their will, the fighter themselves would actually have reasonable grounds to seek a termination of the contract.
Axwell wrote: » Not sure where you get your information but it is way off.. Are you familiar with the UFC retirement clause? I would hazard a guess you are not based on your comments. The UFC would not be in a position to sue McGregor if he retires, his contract goes into a paused status on retirement. That is not to say he can then go and fight Mayweather if he retires, as he cant. But as for the UFC being able to sue him for retiring, nonsense.
weldoninhio wrote: » I literally stated about 5-10 posts up from this that the UFC couldn't force anyone to fight. I said they'd go after the money. To use an analogy, If you hired a painter to paint your house, and it had 8 rooms (fights). He said ok, I need money up front for the paint for all 8 rooms and a deposit for each room(signing on fee), he proceeds to paint 4 rooms (I.e. Has 4 fights) then doesn't turn up. You call him and he says he's retired. You'd be happy enough?? Or would you think he owed you money back or for the rooms to be painted. It's not rocket science lads.
weldoninhio wrote: » So you are saying that he could have signed his new contract, taken the signing on fee and retired with free money???
Saipanne wrote: » That's isn't proof, it's an inference based on a spurious analogy. You do realise that? Provide a UFC contract or a source which references what happens when a UFC fighter retires*, or admit you are making inferences. It's really that simple. *Not a singer, not a footballer, not a painter, not another MMA organisation. A UFC fighter.
weldoninhio wrote: » To use an analogy, If you hired a painter to paint your house, and it had 8 rooms (fights). He said ok, I need money up front for the paint for all 8 rooms and a deposit for each room(signing on fee), he proceeds to paint 4 rooms (I.e. Has 4 fights) then doesn't turn up. You call him and he says he's retired. You'd be happy enough?? Or would you think he owed you money back or for the rooms to be painted. It's not rocket science lads.
The Golden Miller wrote: » You're good. I'll know not to engage in such a stimulating battle of the minds with such an articulate individual in the future, a man who really gets to the bottom of ones points and who would never dare ignore the substance of a whole post. My bad mo chara
weldoninhio wrote: » I don't have one. I guess the UFC uses Lionel Hutz to do up its contracts.
paulieeye wrote: » The idea that an organisation can force you into a physically harmful and potentially life ending activity under the thread of being sued is simply laughable. And that is what it is, "going after the money" as is being said is just another way of saying that. If, for example, a fighter is no longer mentally in the game (and thereby putting himself at huge risk), he has every right to retire without the thread of being sued. Far as I know fighters are paid on a fight by fight basis. Granted some contracts are front loaded but I'm sure this is negotiated by the fighter and allowed by the UFC as a perk of the contract with them knowing that retirement is an option. I am basing this of every fighter who has retired in the UFC with fights left on their contracts. If there is other info to base any other view point on, I would love to hear it.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » It's a total different fitness level in boxing and he wouldn't have a chance against most amateur boxers in Ireland.
weldoninhio wrote: » I've stated TWICE now that in no way, shape or form could UFC make ANYONE fight if they didn't want to. Is that clear enough?? If a fighter is no longer mentally in the game then he will be medically unable to compete. Same as if he broke his neck etc, I'd imagine that's what insurance is for. It's completely different to a fighter deciding he just can't be bothered because he was stripped of a belt he refused to defend, which is the hypothetical situation we are discussing.
