Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Brussels Sprout

What were the benefits to McGregor signing that 8 fight contract at the time? From what I heard on the MMA Beat the UFC typically has a clause that they can revoke the contracts at any time thereby removing the main benefit of a contract. It seems like they're nothing but a ball & chain with little or no benefit to the actual fighters.

14murphy

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/mma/floyd-mayweathers-team-responds-to-conor-mcgregors-new-by/104790

Mellor

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

What were the benefits to McGregor signing that 8 fight contract at the time? From what I heard on the MMA Beat the UFC typically has a clause that they can revoke the contracts at any time thereby removing the main benefit of a contract. It seems like they're nothing but a ball & chain with little or no benefit to the actual fighters.

There's no chance they revoke his contract. That's just burning millions.

The main benefit is that despite everything a UFC contract is worth a lot more than the alternative. Fighter health insurance, median pay is significantly higher. Guys at the top of other promotions make more from sponsors, then again guys at the top of the UFV get PPVmoney. Mid to low level guys in other promotions are getting a raw deal.

JohnMc1

Tinie wrote: »

Not like Mayweather would ever fight outside of Vegas.

Bit of an empty bluff by him. Or just to get some headlines.

Get your wolftickets nonetheless

Conor is GOIN TO DO ****IN NOTHIN!!!!!!!

Seriously, he'll end up in a court room before he ends up in a Boxing ring. He has an exclusive contract with UFC. Conor has also been treated very well by them. He is an idiot for thinking of or teasing walking out on the company.

Effects

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He is an idiot for thinking of or teasing walking out on the company.

You don't really understand business, do you?

hefferboi

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Conor is GOIN TO DO ****IN NOTHIN!!!!!!!

Seriously, he'll end up in a court room before he ends up in a Boxing ring. He has an exclusive contract with UFC. Conor has also been treated very well by them. He is an idiot for thinking of or teasing walking out on the company.

He's only being treated well because he's such a huge draw. The minute he loses his drawing power then they'll treat him like dirt, the same way they do with 95% of the roster. He knows this and he's right to go for the money fights if its money he's after.

Edit: And to add to that, he's still not being paid enough by the UFC so they're not treating him as well as you make out.

weldoninhio

Effects wrote: »

You don't really understand business, do you?

Neither do you. In business you generally negotiate before you sign a contract or when your current contract is almost up and you have leverage. Trying to negotiate mid-contract is a weak position.

Saipanne

weldoninhio wrote: »

Neither do you. In business you generally negotiate before you sign a contract or when your current contract is almost up and you have leverage. Trying to negotiate mid-contract is a weak position.

He could retire a multi millionaire with many non fighting options available to him right now, and the UFC could return to significantly weaker ppv numbers and less exposure.

He is in a good position.

ardinn

harney wrote: »

This link was posted on reddit, to help explain the boxing license move. It was written a few months ago.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/5/13/11669764/conor-mcgregor-vs-floyd-mayweather-without-ufc-permission

For those above who still say he cant - read this - it explains exactly whats happening - it's Mystic Mac sh1t

paulieeye

Saipanne wrote: »

He could retire a multi millionaire with many non fighting options available to him right now, and the UFC could return to significantly weaker ppv numbers and less exposure.

He is in a good position.

On top of this, I'm sure the new owners are keen to make back their investment/repay debt, they simply cannot lose their top draw. He's responsible for 100's of mil a year. I thinks he's in a stronger position now since the buy out

Muahahaha

Why wouldnt UFC let him fight Floyd? Like he is contracted to them regardless so if they allowed it to happen they would make a ball of PPV cash regardless. Ive read that the reason they dont want it to happen is that McGregor wouldnt last a few rounds and the world seeing the UFCs biggest draw getting beaten up would not be good for the UFC brand overall. Personally I dont buy that because it is McGregor who is switching disciplines, not Floyd. Fans would make allowances for a loss given he is moving to a sport he has never competed professionally at before and not only that but doing it against someone with a 49-0 record.

If the fight did go ahead everyone is expecting a McGregor loss. If that happened both the UFC and McGregor make a lot of money and McGregor goes back to concentrating on the UFC. Win-win for all I would have thought?

Effects

weldoninhio wrote: »

Neither do you. In business you generally negotiate before you sign a contract or when your current contract is almost up and you have leverage. Trying to negotiate mid-contract is a weak position.

Negotiate in the beginning based on what? "Hey, in a couple of years I will be the biggest draw in the UFC and be champion in two divisions".

Outlaw Pete

Have to say I'm fcuking loving how the topic that was sneered at on this thread whenever anyone had the audacity to raise it..... is now the numero uno thanks to a California boxing licence application. #DoubtHimNow


This is bit if craic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnTnteuld8o

EagererBeaver

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Have to say I'm fcuking loving how the topic that was sneered at on this thread whenever anyone had the audacity to raise it..... is now the numero uno thanks to a California boxing licence application. #DoubtHimNow


This is bit if craic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnTnteuld8o

It's still being sneered at. It's not happening. You should ban yourself for a week for bringing Skip Bayless into anything.

Outlaw Pete

EagererBeaver wrote: »

It's still being sneered at. It's not happening. You should ban yourself for a week for bringing Skip Bayless into anything.

Eh, nothing Skip said was relevant to my initial comment and so I didn't 'bring him' into anything.

I said that video was a bit of craic. It is.

As for Mayweather - McGregor fight never happening. You're wrong. It will.

weldoninhio

Saipanne wrote: »

He could retire a multi millionaire with many non fighting options available to him right now, and the UFC could return to significantly weaker ppv numbers and less exposure.

He is in a good position.

He might retire a multi-millionaire but after UFC sued him for breach of contract would he be as rich?? They'd still be making money hand over fist. They'd have less bandwagonners, but pretty soon another superstar would emerge and they'd piggy back him. Football survived Pele retiring, Basketball survived Jordan retiring.

weldoninhio

Effects wrote: »

Negotiate in the beginning based on what? "Hey, in a couple of years I will be the biggest draw in the UFC and be champion in two divisions".

Quote my post again and bold where I said at the beginning of your career.

walshb

Conor would have next to no chance against C level boxers, however, Mayweather would be the one I'd choose as regards danger and hurt and of course, money. Mayweather is not near a killer, and fights scared/cautious most of the time, but he'd likely still get Conor out of there in 3-4 rds.

Effects

weldoninhio wrote: »

Quote my post again and bold where I said at the beginning of your career.

Who mentioned you saying anything about the beginning of a career?

You inferred he should have negotiated before he signed his contract.
I said he didn't really have any leverage at that point. Maybe you misunderstood me.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Neither do you. In business you generally negotiate before you sign a contract or when your current contract is almost up and you have leverage. Trying to negotiate mid-contract is a weak position.

EagererBeaver

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Eh, nothing Skip said was relevant to my initial comment.

I said that video was a bit of craic. It is.

As for Mayweather - McGregor fight never happening? You're wrong. It will.

I never said anything about your comment being related to skip in any way. It was a tongue in cheek comment referencing the fact that he's a moron.

As for the fight happening? Not a chance.

weldoninhio

Effects wrote: »

Who mentioned you saying anything about the beginning of a career?

You inferred he should have negotiated before he signed his contract.
I said he didn't really have any leverage at that point. Maybe you misunderstood me.

Yes, before he signed his contract he was already 145 champ and lined up to fight RDA when he signed his new 8 fight contract. He'd ko'ed Aldo in 13 seconds. If he wasn't happy with what he was signing then, he shouldn't have signed up for 8 fights and negotiated a much bigger contract or demanded a renegotiation clause in it if he became 155 champ too, considering the fight was booked. He had a ton of leverage. Maybe you misunderstood when he signed his contract.

Saipanne

weldoninhio wrote: »

He might retire a multi-millionaire but after UFC sued him for breach of contract would he be as rich?? They'd still be making money hand over fist. They'd have less bandwagonners, but pretty soon another superstar would emerge and they'd piggy back him. Football survived Pele retiring, Basketball survived Jordan retiring.

Sue him for what? You're not allowed to retire?

weldoninhio

Saipanne wrote: »

Sue him for what? You're not allowed to retire?

He signed a contract for 8 fights. If he retires then he is breaking that contract. Do you understand what a contract is??

Depp

weldoninhio wrote: »

He signed a contract for 8 fights. If he retires then he is breaking that contract. Do you understand what a contract is??

thats not how ufc contracts work, if that were the case literally every ufc fighter to retire would have been sued

move on with your life lad

Saipanne

weldoninhio wrote: »

He signed a contract for 8 fights. If he retires then he is breaking that contract. Do you understand what a contract is??

Yes, but you don't.

weldoninhio

Saipanne wrote: »

Yes, but you don't.

It's an binding agreement between 2 parties. UFC agreed to pay McGregor Xm per fight plus PPV over 8 fights. Retiring after 4 fights means that McGregor has reneged on his side of the deal.

Other fighters may have retired without any hassle, but the numbers involved would be minuscule. No point in UFC taking them to court. You could guarantee they'll go after McGregor, they'd win millions back.

Depp

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's an binding agreement between 2 parties. UFC agreed to pay McGregor Xm per fight plus PPV over 8 fights. Retiring after 4 fights means that McGregor has reneged on his side of the deal.

Other fighters may have retired without any hassle, but the numbers involved would be minuscule. No point in UFC taking them to court. You could guarantee they'll go after McGregor, they'd win millions back.

no they wouldnt...they cant come after you if you have fights on your contract that would be completely ridiculous

Saipanne

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's an binding agreement between 2 parties. UFC agreed to pay McGregor Xm per fight plus PPV over 8 fights. Retiring after 4 fights means that McGregor has reneged on his side of the deal.

Other fighters may have retired without any hassle, but the numbers involved would be minuscule. No point in UFC taking them to court. You could guarantee they'll go after McGregor, they'd win millions back.

You seem certain. Prove it.

SteM

Can't stop someone from retiring. His contract is with the ufc. The contract is if he fights mma it has to be with them for x amount of fights, it can't be with another promotion. The contract can't be he HAS to fight x amount of times. That would be slavery.

Can't believe you're even arguing this tbh. Can't believe I'm arguing with you.

weldoninhio

Saipanne wrote: »

You seem certain. Prove it.

Prove it? Roc Nation sued Rita Ora because she didn't deliver the agreed amount of albums that she'd signed up for. Barry Sanders was sued by the Detroit Lions for retiring mid contract.