Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Wheeliebin30

mdwexford wrote: »

Eh, no it isn't.

You make it sound like mma fighters are out of shape amateur lads.

No I don't. I just think you need to be in better shape for a professional boxing match. The amount of punches thrown and avoiding with movement etc requires serious cardio.

From the first Diaz fight he was pretty tired after throwing a small amount of big punches.

Look I'm not taking anything away from him, he is one of the best mma fighters, maybe if he concentrated on boxing only he could compete.

Only my opinion of course.

Mellor

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No I don't. I just think you need to be in better shape for a professional boxing match.

You said amateur above.
The difference between amateur and pro is staggering. Flip flopping your point between the two is a bit disingenuous

Mean Laqueefa

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No I don't. I just think you need to be in better shape for a professional boxing match

Wheeliebin30

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

Very good.

Mean Laqueefa

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Very good.

Good one

JJayoo

I think MCG would win in the first 3seconds, one jab and mayweather would implode killing everyone in the stadium.

hefferboi

weldoninhio wrote: »

I've stated TWICE now that in no way, shape or form could UFC make ANYONE fight if they didn't want to. Is that clear enough??

If a fighter is no longer mentally in the game then he will be medically unable to compete. Same as if he broke his neck etc, I'd imagine that's what insurance is for. It's completely different to a fighter deciding he just can't be bothered because he was stripped of a belt he refused to defend, which is the hypothetical situation we are discussing.

How come you're not replying to anyone who asked you why the UFC never went after anyone who retired before?

martyos121

It really doesn't matter in the slightest who would win a boxing match between McGregor and Mayweather, it would just be a hugely profitable PR exercise for both men which we'll all fall for and pay to see it.

Floyd would win though, comfortably.

darced

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Wheeliebin30

darced wrote: »

Wrestling is far tougher fitness wise than boxing in my opinion. In mma you can be gassed in one big dynamic exchange no matter how good a shape you are in. The sports require two different types of fitness, the fittest boxer would gas in seconds in a grappling match.

Well how does that explain him gassing in the first round against nate with no wrestling involved?

Saipanne

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Well how does that explain him gassing in the first round against nate with no wrestling involved?

Because he threw loads of haymakers and spinning kicks non stop, there was zero strategy. Boxing is very different to that. It's patient and methodical. Mostly.

darced

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Subcomandante Marcos

darced wrote: »

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And the best conditioned wrestler on earth would gas within 2 rounds of a boxing match.

Boxing is constant full body movement for 36 minutes.

darced

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Lukker-

I think the pace changes in MMA are what make it so difficult. Switching from aerobic to anaerobic exercises happens a lot more frequently in MMA. Grappling exchanges tire you out far quicker, all that extra tension on the muscles from tight grips and holding down someones body weight causes lactate to develop much quicker. Totally different fitness requirements, but I'd argue that MMA is probably the more balanced of the 2, focusing more on the whole body and more diverse ranges of motion.

JJayoo

Conor got tired in that fight because he was carrying the pride of the country on his back, like an enormous IVF fueled Opossum.

sonofenoch

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Well how does that explain him gassing in the first round against nate with no wrestling involved?

It's not well known but it's known he had something called a staph infection before the 1st Diaz fight........Joe Rogan talks about it here from around the 10min mark and it's debilitating effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YXYwVP-qvA

darced

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Lukker-

darced wrote: »

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Yup I agree. He just panicked and when you are fighting a pressure fighter like Nate who throws such volume, when you are gassed it's going to overload you. I think the majority of TKO's in the UFC come from fighters getting overloaded and turtling up rather than actually getting knocked out or seriously wobbled.

That said in the rematch, the amount of time he put into cardio between the fights, mentally it was easier to deal with being gassed because he knew he put the work in and could recover. He had never been in the situation in the first fight so instead of trying to tie Nate up, he shot for the takedown.

I'd say it was a turning point for him though, and regardless of how meaningless the 2 fights were they did help him grow massively as a fighter, and he's much closer to his final form now than he was before the first Diaz fight.

Swashbuckler

Lukker- wrote:

I'd say it was a turning point for him though, and regardless of how meaningless the 2 fights were they did help him grow massively as a fighter, and he's much closer to his final form now than he was before the first Diaz fight.

The difference in Conor before and after the second Diaz fight is amazing. No more talking, more disciplined, less flashy stuff. He didn't stop talking against Poirier, Mendes etc. He barely said a word to Alvarez during the fight.

moneyman

As much as I've enjoyed watching Weldoninonono completely avoid the relevant questions here, I'd have to agree that Conor doesn't have a realistic shot against Floyd. I don't think he even has a punchers chance to be honest, as I don't think he has a chance at landing anything significant at all. Obviously I would hope I'm wrong if the fights goes ahead.

However, he's not the same boxer now that he was as an amateur in Crumlin. I agree that any decent pro boxer would probably beat him in boxing, but let's not forget that Joseph Duffy was 11-0 as a pro boxer and Conor is a better striker than him. Even if Joe's style is more suited to boxing, it's a bit silly to think Conor would get easily beaten by a decent amateur. He definitely wouldn't. I'd imagine top amateurs would easily beat him but he'd be well able to hang with any amateur below that elite level.

walshb

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What about glove size was different though? Obviously Mayweather is not going to fight outside of boxing rules but if they could negotiate that Mayweather had to wear MMA sized gloves, wouldn't that lessen Floyd's advantage somewhat? Given that the larger gloves in boxing play are significant factor in fighter's defensive style. Smaller gloves would likely mean there would be more chance of him getting clipped and caught than if he had the size of gloves which he is used to.

Hard MMA gloves of the 4-6oz variety would certainly help Conor, but it's still boxing rules. Makes Mayweather a little faster. Barring a fluke KO win for Conor he gets thoroughly schooled and stopped within 4 rds.

walshb

moneyman wrote: »

However, he's not the same boxer now that he was as an amateur in Crumlin. I agree that any decent pro boxer would probably beat him in boxing, but let's not forget that Joseph Duffy was 11-0 as a pro boxer and Conor is a better striker than him. Even if Joe's style is more suited to boxing, it's a bit silly to think Conor would get easily beaten by a decent amateur. He definitely wouldn't. I'd imagine top amateurs would easily beat him but he'd be well able to hang with any amateur below that elite level.

Right now he would get schooled and easily beaten by top intermediate boxers. And even below them. Trained properly and prepared he may do better, but it would still be a stretch to expect him to be really competitive.

Depp

walshb wrote: »

Hard MMA gloves of the 4-6oz variety would certainly help Conor, but it's still boxing rules. Makes Mayweather a little faster. Barring a fluke KO win for Conor he gets thoroughly schooled and stopped within 4 rds.

i agree barring a fluke ko for conor its floyds to lose...but lets be real her floyds not stopping anyone

walshb

Depp wrote: »

i agree barring a fluke ko for conor its floyds to lose...but lets be real her floyds not stopping anyone

Floyd stops Conor, no doubt. It's not just power. It's everything. Fitness, engine, shots, defence. The whole lot. Conor is not a boxer. Floyd will land with ease. May not KO him, but no doubt a referee or corner intervention due to a massacre.

Outlaw Pete

walshb wrote: »

Hard MMA gloves of the 4-6oz variety would certainly help Conor, but it's still boxing rules. Makes Mayweather a little faster. Barring a fluke KO win for Conor he gets thoroughly schooled and stopped within 4 rds.

But my point is that a lot of Mayweather's (and every boxer's) excellence if they are considered a great defensive fighter (and he undoubtedly is) utilizes the large glove size. Reduce that and that obviously opens them up to being hit more than ever before.

Anyway, all opinions at this stage of course but I do think this tweet confirms that the type of / size of the gloves for the potential fight is very much an area (perhaps the only area) where McGregor will try to gain an advantage.


https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/804710026094977024

EagererBeaver

Depp wrote: »

i agree barring a fluke ko for conor its floyds to lose...but lets be real her floyds not stopping anyone

He might not KO him stiff but you're ignoring the fact that a stoppage includes referee stoppages and corner stoppages. Floyd would stop him.

As for the MMA gloves thing, it's not happening. Even if the fight were to somehow happen, Floyd is the big dog and he would dictate terms, like he did with Canelo.

Gamebred

Has anyone saying McGregor has a shot even watched Mayweather fight or have you scanned through his wiki page and seen a load of decisions?, and you can say hes 40 years old all you want hes the best defensive fighter of all time can count on 1 hand the amount of times he's be rocked by a punch in 20 years of boxing since he was robbed in the Olympics, he also doesnt drink and has kept a healthy lifestyle (ie no drink or drugs)

If they ever fought which I think is possible he would dance rings around Conor and finish him when he wanted I can only imagine the damage he would do, Conor would gas by rd 3 punching air.

moneyman

walshb wrote: »

Right now he would get schooled and easily beaten by top intermediate boxers. And even below them. Trained properly and prepared he may do better, but it would still be a stretch to expect him to be really competitive.

I did say he would get easily beaten by top amateurs, so you're agreeing with me. Where we disagree is I think he would be competitive against the guys who are a level below that. Obviously I give him zero chance against Floyd, and I agree, it would be a stoppage.

Fromvert

I'm shocked PP have it priced the way they do. Floyd should be 1/100, the only way he loses is if he gets injured in the fight

Floyd (1/7) vs Conor (4/1)

I'd love to see it made and watch the crazies push the prices closer together, perfect opportunity to unload the clip on Floyd.