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Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

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  • #3002
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Yes so what's wrong with people from NI providing proof of identity when they use a ferry and/or fly?
    Nothing at all, I was just stating a fact about ID cards.


  • #3003
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    Well if Sterling is a gauge then the odds of Brexit have declined a lot in the last couple of weeks.

    So what fig leaf can May concoct that can appease the Brexiteers and keep the UK in the customs union?

    By god, that's it. She'll go all out that the UK is definitely out of the nasty, awful, wasteful, full of foreigners EU but has WON access to the only essential bit, the customs union, and the UK will allow access to its job market in return. Essentially no change except no chair at the table.


  • #3004
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    300k is a complete joke, hopefully once we get out we can put a stop to it. 
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Plenty of people in the country who either aren't working or don't want to work and living on benefits. I also think these figures are probably a low estimate, people in England would say it is double that just by looking around you.

    just by looking around you ? Not really a basis for making economic or political policy is it ?


  • #3005
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    300k is a complete joke, hopefully once we get out we can put a stop to it.

    .5% of of UK's complete population...... it helps if you actually look at the number in context instead of your "300000? thats too many zeros i dont like it"


  • #3006
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    greendom wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    300k is a complete joke, hopefully once we get out we can put a stop to it. 
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Plenty of people in the country who either aren't working or don't want to work and living on benefits. I also think these figures are probably a low estimate, people in England would say it is double that just by looking around you.

    just by looking around you ?  Not really a basis for making economic or political policy is it ?
    Communities being inundated with mass migration, all over England. I would be surprised if it is 'just' 300k. Probably double that.


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  • #3007
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nothing at all, I was just stating a fact about ID cards.

    Cool. So then we have a model for post Brexit immigration controls.


  • #3008
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Communities being inundated with mass migration, all over England. I would be surprised if it is 'just' 300k. Probably double that.

    Fair enough. What sort of controls would you like to see NI implement post Brexit?


  • #3009
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Plenty of people in the country who either aren't working or don't want to work and living on benefits. I also think these figures are probably a low estimate, people in England would say it is double that just by looking around you.

    Ahhh the old opinion is more important than facts argument, hear say obviously is what we should base public policy on instead of numbers facts and logic.......


  • #3010
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Communities being inundated with mass migration, all over England. I would be surprised if it is 'just' 300k. Probably double that.

    Any hard factual evidence to support any of this?


  • #3011
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    A little Pony lives in the northeast of Ireland which is the most impoverished region of the UK. If anything there'll be migration out of the northeast.

    His whinging about immigration would be like people in the Falklands whinging about the threat of Polar Bears.


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  • #3012
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Communities being inundated with mass migration, all over England. I would be surprised if it is 'just' 300k. Probably double that.

    Fair enough. What sort of controls would you like to see NI implement post Brexit?
    NI isn't much of an issue with immigration at the moment. I don't think NI is seen as a great place for immigrants right now, Belfast is a big dump and it would be seen as a rather dreary place compared to England.


  • #3013
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    VinLieger wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Plenty of people in the country who either aren't working or don't want to work and living on benefits. I also think these figures are probably a low estimate, people in England would say it is double that just by looking around you.

    Ahhh the old opinion is more important than facts argument, hear say obviously is what we should base public policy on instead of numbers facts and logic.......
    Didn't stop Brexit happening. ;) 
    No one cares for experts in these times. Feel is better than numbers but even seeing those numbers today shocked me.


  • #3014
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    NI isn't much of an issue with immigration at the moment. I don't think NI is seen as a great place for immigrants right now, Belfast is a big dump and it would be seen as a rather dreary place compared to England.

    Well that's honest. Belfast's not a dump though. It does have potential.

    I was thinking more of people using NI as a thoroughfare to go to the mainland UK. All they would have to do is fly to Dublin, hop on the train to Belfast and get the ferry to Britain. So unless there's controls immigration won't change.


  • #3015
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    NI isn't much of an issue with immigration at the moment. I don't think NI is seen as a great place for immigrants right now, Belfast is a big dump and it would be seen as a rather dreary place compared to England.

    lots of places just as if not more dreary than Belfast in England


  • #3016
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Didn't stop Brexit happening. ;)
    No one cares for experts in these times. Feel is better than numbers but even seeing those numbers today shocked me.

    Okay so I feel I can buy a ferrari doesn't matter what the numbers in my bank account say or the financial experts, good to know, off to the dealership I go!!!!

    Why exactly does the thought of 0.5% immigration shock you?


  • #3017
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    NI isn't much of an issue with immigration at the moment. I don't think NI is seen as a great place for immigrants right now, Belfast is a big dump and it would be seen as a rather dreary place compared to England.

    Well that's honest. Belfast's not a dump though. It does have potential.

    I was thinking more of people using NI as a thoroughfare to go to the mainland UK. All they would have to do is fly to Dublin, hop on the train to Belfast and get the ferry to Britain. So unless there's controls immigration won't change.
    Would they not want to stay in Dublin or the Republic?


  • #3018
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    We currently have no staff monitoring the border, mainly because we have learned over long years of experience that monitoring the border is not an effective way to tackle smuggling. Yes, if the UK throw enough of their toys out of the pram we may have to monitor the border in order to levy customs, etc, on goods imported into the EU from the UK. But I'm still hopeful that the British won't burn their trade arrangements quite to the ground. But, even if they do, that doesn't involve the Irish in policing movement of people across the border. That would be an exclusively UK preoccupation, as far as I can see.

    Ireland would now be an EU land border for the very first time.
    I'd have thought intuitively that we'd have the same responsibilities as the other land borders like Greece, Poland, Slovakia, Latvia etc.

    And whilst I don't know exactly what those countries responsibilities are I presume they go beyond a mixture of a) hoping the bordering nonEU country remains cooperative in keeping their own acceptable immigration policy b) throwing their hands up and saying it would be too difficult and sure smuggling would happen anyway c) saying its not their issue at all, its up to Russia, Ukraine and Belarus to organise it.


  • #3019
    demfad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Didn't stop Brexit happening. ;) 
    No one cares for experts in these times. Feel is better than numbers but even seeing those numbers today shocked me.

    Nobody who wants to peddle falshoods cares for experts or evidence these days. Most of the immigration comes from outside the EU. Tell me, if immigration is such a huge deal why have the massive numbers of immigrants from outside the EU not been curbed?


  • #3020
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Plenty of people in the country who either aren't working or don't want to work and living on benefits. I also think these figures are probably a low estimate, people in England would say it is double that just by looking around you.

    You legitimately just made up that double thing. I mean you are even saying you made it up.

    I am sure plenty of those don't want to work people are English;p (or Scottish, Welsh, N Irish).


  • #3021
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    demfad wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Didn't stop Brexit happening. ;) 
    No one cares for experts in these times. Feel is better than numbers but even seeing those numbers today shocked me.

    Nobody who wants to peddle falshoods cares for experts or evidence these days. Most of the immigration comes from outside the EU. Tell me, if immigration is such a huge deal why have the massive numbers of immigrants from outside the EU not been curbed?
    Commonwealth immigration is great,  not so with the EU, the bastard institution that it is.


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  • #3022
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Christy42 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Plenty of people in the country who either aren't working or don't want to work and living on benefits. I also think these figures are probably a low estimate, people in England would say it is double that just by looking around you.

    You legitimately just made up that double thing. I mean you are even saying you made it up.

    I am sure plenty of those don't want to work people are English;p (or Scottish, Welsh, N Irish).
    I didn't make it up, it is just an opinion based on the view from many in England. They would be skeptical of the numbers released today. I didn't say it was based on fact.


  • #3023
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,547 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Commonwealth immigration is great,  not so with the EU, the bastard institution that it is.

    If we needed any clearer indication of the mindset of those who voted to Brexit, this is it.

    No expert, no facts, no truth could change a mind like this.


  • #3024
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I didn't make it up, it is just an opinion based on the view from many in England. They would be skeptical of the numbers released today. I didn't say it was based on fact.

    An opinion that is not based on fact has therefore been made up


  • #3025
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    VinLieger wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I didn't make it up, it is just an opinion based on the view from many in England. They would be skeptical of the numbers released today. I didn't say it was based on fact.

    An opinion that is not based on fact has therefore been made up
    Close this forum then as most posts are speculative opinions.


  • #3026
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I didn't make it up...I didn't say it was based on fact.

    Ummmmm...... You could also say it is your opinion that 2+2=5. You are just wrong if you do. We have facts and figures on these things. It is or it isn't. You can have an opinion whether it is a good thing if you like but making up numbers based on feeling has no basis in reality. The printed numbers have a basis in reality.


  • #3027
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Close this forum then as most posts are speculative opinions.

    Awww you don't like people pointing out how ridiculous your argument is?


  • #3028
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Commonwealth immigration is great,  not so with the EU, the bastard institution that it is.

    That makes zero sense


  • #3029
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Would they not want to stay in Dublin or the Republic?

    Well fair enough if they do! The more taxpayers the better. The UK has been the primary go to point for immigrants in Europe.


  • #3030
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Ireland would now be an EU land border for the very first time.
    I'd have thought intuitively that we'd have the same responsibilities as the other land borders like Greece, Poland, Slovakia, Latvia etc.

    And whilst I don't know exactly what those countries responsibilities are I presume they go beyond a mixture of a) hoping the bordering nonEU country remains cooperative in keeping their own acceptable immigration policy b) throwing their hands up and saying it would be too difficult and sure smuggling would happen anyway c) saying its not their issue at all, its up to Russia, Ukraine and Belarus to organise it.

    They are all Schengen countries though.


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  • #3031
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Ireland would now be an EU land border for the very first time.
    I'd have thought intuitively that we'd have the same responsibilities as the other land borders like Greece, Poland, Slovakia, Latvia etc.

    And whilst I don't know exactly what those countries responsibilities are I presume they go beyond a mixture of a) hoping the bordering nonEU country remains cooperative in keeping their own acceptable immigration policy b) throwing their hands up and saying it would be too difficult and sure smuggling would happen anyway c) saying its not their issue at all, its up to Russia, Ukraine and Belarus to organise it.

    Unfortunately, when all is said and done the above is the outstanding reality. I would love there not to be a border in our country, but if there is I cannot see how we can avoid facing up to our responsibilities to protect the border of the EU. What a crazy - surreal, actually - situation we are in entirely because of those flag-waving jingoistic fúcktards. There is much talk here about the responsibilities of the British state to defend its border; the Irish state will have a huge responsibility to defend EU borders and very few people are discussing this.

    Expect the junkets over to eastern Europe from at least half of the political class to see how to police an EU border...


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