Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

Whiplash85 · 27-11-2016 08:07PM

culbaire wrote: »

You are not bad at dishing it out yourself. You have often been wrong.. Good job I did not start checking you when you did get it wrong.

.

Whiplash85 · 27-11-2016 08:07PM

culbaire wrote: »

You are not bad at dishing it out yourself. You have often been wrong.. Good job I did not start checking you when you did get it wrong.

Yeah but you got it spectacularly wrong and worst still stand over everything you said. You remind me of comical ali

Boom__Boom · 27-11-2016 08:19PM

culbaire wrote: »

What do you want? You would put me in ashes and sack cloth would you? I still stand by my point that Crokes are an average team. Not a patch on former great Kerry club sides. The Gooch is not the player that he was! The Nire just did not turn up today. There is no way that the Nire is as poor a club side as it looked today.

4th Munster title in 6 years for the Crokes today.

Cooper is 33, has come back from a serious injury but it still a serious operator, especially at club level.

The Nire might not have turned up today but I'd imagine that both Kilmurry and Loughmore were saying something similar after their games. To me it's not that uncommon for teams playing Crokes to struggle to perform. A large part of this is because Crokes are so good at retaining possession and dictating the tempo of the game.

Out of interest who are the "former great Kerry club sides" you would rate ahead of them, especially given the most Munster club titles any other Kerry club have in total is 2?

Whiplash85 · 27-11-2016 08:26PM

Boom__Boom wrote: »

4th Munster title in 6 years for the Crokes today.

Cooper is 33, has come back from a serious injury but it still a serious operator, especially at club level.

The Nire might not have turned up today but I'd imagine that both Kilmurry and Loughmore were saying something similar after their games. To me it's not that uncommon for teams playing Crokes to struggle to perform. A large part of this is because Crokes are so good at retaining possession and dictating the tempo of the game.

Out of interest who are the "former great Kerry club sides" you would rate ahead of them, especially given the most Munster club titles any other Kerry club have in total is 2?

leave him alone. He doesnt have a clue

culbaire · 27-11-2016 09:27PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

leave him alone. He doesnt have a clue

When |I strongly criticised the ruck and maul bastardised mass defense style of hurling favoured by Derek McGrath I was viciously attacked here. Don't recall "experts"like you having anything to contribute. Don't try and lecture me on Gaelic Games . You dont have a clue. You are a troll looking for a scrap. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Whiplash85 · 27-11-2016 09:43PM

culbaire wrote: »

When |I strongly criticised the ruck and maul bastardised mass defense style of hurling favoured by Derek McGrath I was viciously attacked here. Don't recall "experts"like you having anything to contribute. Don't try and lecture me on Gaelic Games . You dont have a clue. You are a troll looking for a scrap. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Ruck and maul... Using rubgyisms when talking about hurling pal shows you know sweet fanny adams about GAA.

culbaire · 27-11-2016 09:56PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Ruck and maul... Using rubgyisms when talking about hurling pal shows you know sweet fanny adams about GAA.

No child it just shows that you have not moved with the times. You obviously know nothing about mass defense bastardized, ruck and maul hurling. Read this:https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/video-wexford-and-clare-engage-in-the-hurling-ruck-to-end-all-hurling-rucks/65973 .Now run along and troll elsewhere.

Whiplash85 · 27-11-2016 10:04PM

culbaire wrote: »

No child it just shows that you have not moved with the times. You obviously know nothing about mass defense bastardized, ruck and maul hurling. Read this:https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/video-wexford-and-clare-engage-in-the-hurling-ruck-to-end-all-hurling-rucks/65973 .Now run along and troll elsewhere.

Now quoting joe.ie to reaffirm your rubbish. You have zero credibility pal. I would wager you never held a hurley in your life.

culbaire · 27-11-2016 10:08PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Now quoting joe.ie to reaffirm your rubbish. You have zero credibility pal. I would wager you never held a hurley in your life.

Did you see the RUCK in the video? How much would you wager? Can we have an outline of YOUR track record in hurling?

rebel girl 15 · 28-11-2016 12:48AM

Culbaire, Whiplash and everyone else involved, keep it on topic and civil or you will be spending some time away from here!

Deskjockey · 28-11-2016 01:38AM

TG4 have put up their selections for goal of the year.

The full list is here
http://old.tg4.ie/en/programmes/gaa-beo/hurling-goals.html

A fairly massive 6 out of the 12 are from Waterford players, you can vote for them at the links below.

Personally I think the Stephen Bennett catch turn and strike from the u21 final, goal J, would be my favourite of the ones below.

http://old.tg4.ie/hurling-d.html
GOAL D - Patrick Curran (Waterford) -vs- Clare, 08.05.16
Leagus Final (Replay)

http://old.tg4.ie/hurling-g.html
GOAL G - Peter Hogan (Waterford) -vs- Tipperary, 27.07.16,
Munster U21 Final

http://old.tg4.ie/hurling-h.html
GOAL H - Jake Dillon (Waterford) -vs- Kilkenny, 13.08.16
All-Ireland Semi-final (Replay)

http://old.tg4.ie/hurling-i.html
GOAL I - Shane Bennett (Waterford) -vs- Galway, 14.08.16
All-Ireland U21 Final

http://old.tg4.ie/hurling-j.html
GOAL J - Stephen Bennett (Waterford) -vs- Galway, 14.08.16
All-Ireland U21 Final

http://old.tg4.ie/hurling-k.html
GOAL K - Shane Bennett (Waterford) -vs- Galway, 14.08.16
All-Ireland U21 Final

windy shepard henderson · 28-11-2016 03:02AM

lads in fairness crokes have been hammering teams in there own county for the last number of years , the nire are better then there first half showing today but crokes look stronger this year then any other year , given how bad cork gaa has gone they have came through the hard side of the draw in munster this year and look the best side in faieness , i expect to see them in croke park on paddys day

robopaddy2 · 28-11-2016 03:04AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

lads in fairness crokes have been hammering teams in there own county for the last number of years , the nire are better then there first half showing today but crokes look stronger this year then any other year , given how bad cork gaa has gone they have came through the hard side of the draw in munster this year and look the best side in faieness , i expect to see them in croke park on paddys day

Corofin will be a different kettle for them entirely. Nire just not up to their level I'm afraid. No shame in it, this is a serious Crokes team

windy shepard henderson · 28-11-2016 03:11AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Corofin will be a different kettle for them entirely. Nire just not up to their level I'm afraid. No shame in it, this is a serious Crokes team

100% the nire are a great club , i saw them beat cratloe two years ago but i still think crokes are better then other years yes connacht club football is strong but so is munster

cul beag · 28-11-2016 07:33AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

100% the nire are a great club , i saw them beat cratloe two years ago but i still think crokes are better then other years yes connacht club football is strong but so is munster

The Crokes and Corofin is a mouthwatering prospect. The Galway champions were so ruthless and clinical yesterday that St. Brigids were simply blown away. Much the same as Dr. Crokes. The Kerry side have a squad to pick from that simply would put it up to several county teams they're so strong. Such a shame the Nire never got going as they're not that bad a side but realistically even on they're best day they would have no answer to the Gooch,Casey etc. There are some unbelievable teams left in this championship so it's a hard one to call the winners on but surely the winners of the two above mentioned teams will be short priced for the final.
The Nire seemed at times to be stuck to the ground in the first half especially and simply showed way too much respect to their opponents. The first Crokes goal was like something you would see at juvenile level the way they simply walked the ball through the lines and Casey finished with ease. It will take them awhile to come back from such a hammering but the club is in a strong position with some fine underage talent coming through so hopefully they get back on track in 2017 again.

3ships · 28-11-2016 02:55PM

Football, Bloody Hell!

robopaddy2 · 29-11-2016 06:28AM

3ships wrote: »

Football, Bloody Hell!

Note the name 'GAA Discussion Thread'.

3ships · 29-11-2016 08:56AM

Waterford intermediate football final highlights on irish tv tomorrow at 8.

Also tomorrow dls v blackwater in harty cup half one lemybrien. Plenty of next years minor team on view

thesultan · 29-11-2016 10:20PM

3ships wrote: »

Waterford intermediate football final highlights on irish tv tomorrow at 8.

Also tomorrow dls v blackwater in harty cup half one lemybrien. Plenty of next years minor team on view

Any list of the respective teams and clubs?

Cake Man · 30-11-2016 01:31AM

Would also be interested to know what the teams would be for Blackwater and DLS, particularly those who will be involved in the county minor team next year.
I read a report of Blackwater's win over Castletroy last week, seems like they did very well. They hammered Clonmel the week before as well so they seem to be handy enough. The only names mentioned in the report were Gavin Dalton, Finbar Reaney and Kyle Bennett (is he related to Stephen, Shane and Kieran?).

Hard to know what DLS would be like, they were beaten comfortably by Thurles CBS the first game and drew their second against Gaelcholaiste Mhuire. Only qualified from the group due to a less worse score difference. Hopefully one of the teams goes far anyway.

Don't know what way they have the Harty structured at all this year. There are 8 groups, 3 with 3 teams and 5 with 2 teams but some of the 2 team groups has both teams through to the knock-outs. Makes no sense.

thesultan · 30-11-2016 01:55AM

Cake Man wrote: »

Would also be interested to know what the teams would be for Blackwater and DLS, particularly those who will be involved in the county minor team next year.
I read a report of Blackwater's win over Castletroy last week, seems like they did very well. They hammered Clonmel the week before as well so they seem to be handy enough. The only names mentioned in the report were Gavin Dalton, Finbar Reaney and Kyle Bennett (is he related to Stephen, Shane and Kieran?).

Hard to know what DLS would be like, they were beaten comfortably by Thurles CBS the first game and drew their second against Gaelcholaiste Mhuire. Only qualified from the group due to a less worse score difference. Hopefully one of the teams goes far anyway.

Don't know what way they have the Harty structured at all this year. There are 8 groups, 3 with 3 teams and 5 with 2 teams but some of the 2 team groups has both teams through to the knock-outs. Makes no sense.

I think kyle Bennets father is from ballysaggert , his mother is from Tallow. He lives in Lismore.
Is Mahoney and Douglas on the de LA Salle team.

De LA Salle u21's have beaten Ballygunner twice in the one year. Was hoping to see new Eastern champions. Been a while since any of the big three haven't won it. Clonea won a minor back in 2001.

robopaddy2 · 30-11-2016 02:30AM

Cake Man wrote: »

Would also be interested to know what the teams would be for Blackwater and DLS, particularly those who will be involved in the county minor team next year.
I read a report of Blackwater's win over Castletroy last week, seems like they did very well. They hammered Clonmel the week before as well so they seem to be handy enough. The only names mentioned in the report were Gavin Dalton, Finbar Reaney and Kyle Bennett (is he related to Stephen, Shane and Kieran?).

Hard to know what DLS would be like, they were beaten comfortably by Thurles CBS the first game and drew their second against Gaelcholaiste Mhuire. Only qualified from the group due to a less worse score difference. Hopefully one of the teams goes far anyway.

Don't know what way they have the Harty structured at all this year. There are 8 groups, 3 with 3 teams and 5 with 2 teams but some of the 2 team groups has both teams through to the knock-outs. Makes no sense.

I thought DLS would be fairly strong given they had a good run in the Dean Ryan last year but judging by their group form they don't seem to be. Kyle is a different Bennett. The Ballysaggart Bennett's younger brother is Ryan who hurled Tony Forristal this year. Gavin Dalton is Modeligo and Reaney is Lismore. Id fancy Blackwater for this myself, they've a wider pick the last couple years with boys from clubs like Naomh Brid and St Oliver's now going there following the Dungarvan Colleges omission from the Harty Cup.
Yea the new group systems seem a bit nonsensical alright. I think the idea was for less games given pressure on players doing exams etc. Maybe they had a point as some of the crazy stories about the level of preparation and resources schools were putting into it. This system guarantees each school a minimum of 2 games.
From a Waterford point of view its worrying that we have only 2 schools competing in the Harty Cup. When you see the likes of Cork and Tipp with 5,6, 7 schools each, Limerick with 4. Clare I think are same as ourselves but their main school is Flannans which pretty much draws all the best hurlers around Clare. Surely there is room for a group of combined schools all pitted together, Dungarvan colleges, Kerry Colleges and West Limerick, who all had combined teams a couple of years ago. Its a shame that young people from a 30/40 mile radius in the middle of the county will never get the opportunity to play in Harty Cup. The Dungarvan Colleges team a few years ago was a once off but were banished due to their success. As a result the young hurlers that have coma after them are a victim of that success.

Cake Man · 30-11-2016 05:02AM

Yeah I'm fairly sure Tonto Douglas and the younger Mahony brother are with DLS. I take it they would be DLS's standout players. Is Jack Prendergast with Blackwater or has he finished school? Who would Blackwater's best players be?
If DLS were strong in the Dean Ryan last year, it would be reasonable to expect them to be decent enough this year at Harty level. Could it be the case that next year we'd be more likely to see that come through though?

It's good to know there's another Bennett on the way! Hopefully as good and talented as his older brothers anyway. Would also fancy Blackwater myself but that's purely based on their results in the group compared to DLS's. As is often the case at this level though, fancied teams can totally fail to turn up on the day. Could also possibly say DLS were in a tougher group - Thurles CBS are usually always strong at Harty.

That seems fair enough with them trying to balance the load between games and exams. Also agree with the points above in relation to us not having many representatives at Harty level while the rest of Munster seem to have a rake of teams. It surely gives more players the opportunity to play at a higher level and we're at a disadvantage straight away. It was a shame they scrapped the combined schools, always felt it was a knee jerk reaction to Dungarvan Colleges doing a two in a row but in reality, it was just a golden crop of lads all coming together at once. I bet if they put a combined team out now, they wouldn't be any better or worse than most teams in it.

robopaddy2 · 30-11-2016 05:28AM

Cake Man wrote: »

. It was a shame they scrapped the combined schools, always felt it was a knee jerk reaction to Dungarvan Colleges doing a two in a row but in reality, it was just a golden crop of lads all coming together at once. I bet if they put a combined team out now, they wouldn't be any better or worse than most teams in it.

This exactly. They were ratified into the Harty about 15 years ago and there wasn't a word about them until they won their first one in 2012. By the time they won 2 in a row in 2013 people were kicking up a stink. The mistake made was that Dungarvan CBS should have probably been made to stand alone for those years given the quality at their disposal (They cake-walked the B' competition in 2013). They had enough themselves to seriously challenge for Harty honours but wouldn't have bulldozed all around them like the Combined team, so when that group moved on there wouldn't have been too many objections about the combined team starting again. All in all Having 2 major schools in a town like Dungarvan works to its disadvantage as instead of a one strong Harty team there is 2 mediocre sides who compete in B' or C' competitions.

Cake Man · 30-11-2016 06:03AM

Yeah it's a pure dilution of resources. No point having two average sides not up to much, much more effective to allow them to combine and give more lads in the middle of the county the chance to compete at a decent level.
I wonder is there any hope of them convincing the Munster council to lift that ban or at least allow combining with some precursor conditions. E.g. Can't be anymore than 2 combined schools, both schools capacity capped at X hundred, X amount of clubs have to be represented, equal amount of players from each college on a team so it's not a case of 14 lads from one college and one lad (best player) from the other college etc. Surely there's a workable solution.

What figures are involved? If you combined Dungarvan and St Augustines what would that be in terms of students? Surely it'd be no more than say some of the bigger schools like DLS.

robopaddy2 · 30-11-2016 06:12AM

Cake Man wrote: »

Yeah it's a pure dilution of resources. No point having two average sides not up to much, much more effective to allow them to combine and give more lads in the middle of the county the chance to compete at a decent level.
I wonder is there any hope of them convincing the Munster council to lift that ban or at least allow combining with some precursor conditions. E.g. Can't be anymore than 2 combined schools, both schools capacity capped at X hundred, X amount of clubs have to be represented, equal amount of players from each college on a team so it's not a case of 14 lads from one college and one lad (best player) from the other college etc. Surely there's a workable solution.

What figures are involved? If you combined Dungarvan and St Augustines what would that be in terms of students? Surely it'd be no more than say some of the bigger schools like DLS.

Yea I don't know the chances are of ever resurrecting it. It would need to be a fairly strong case for sure. The thing is the appetite needs to come from the schools themselves. Its not something that say the county board, or clubs can really push forward as schools and colleges hurling is not run by the county board. Both similar size schools in terms of playing numbers. 250/300 boys. St Augustine's is mixed so has double the no of students but same number of boys. To be fair Blackwater wouldn't be much bigger than either, but a bit stronger hurling tradition in the surrounding clubs eg Lismore Tallow, Ballyduff, Ballysaggart, Tourin, Cappoquin.

thesultan · 30-11-2016 10:36AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Yea I don't know the chances are of ever resurrecting it. It would need to be a fairly strong case for sure. The thing is the appetite needs to come from the schools themselves. Its not something that say the county board, or clubs can really push forward as schools and colleges hurling is not run by the county board. Both similar size schools in terms of playing numbers. 250/300 boys. St Augustine's is mixed so has double the no of students but same number of boys. To be fair Blackwater wouldn't be much bigger than either, but a bit stronger hurling tradition in the surrounding clubs eg Lismore Tallow, Ballyduff, Ballysaggart, Tourin, Cappoquin.

Add in st Catherine's , shamrocks

PTH2009 · 30-11-2016 05:18PM

DLS College 1-18- Blackwater 0-16 AET

they are through to the Quarter Finals

3ships · 01-12-2016 12:43AM

Blackwater looked to have this won all the way thru. Kept dls at arms length 3/4 points all the thru till the last puck of the game 8 mins into injury time to level. A real sickener for them.

Very tactical game lots of frees and sweepers. Dls remain dogged. The style of play might keep them in games as the competition progresses and hope is douglas or ruddle can pull something out of the bag.

Have no team sheet and had to head early missed extra time so can't really give a better report. Hope someone else can

cul beag · 01-12-2016 01:30AM

3ships wrote: »

Blackwater looked to have this won all the way thru. Kept dls at arms length 3/4 points all the thru till the last puck of the game 8 mins into injury time to level. A real sickener for them.

Very tactical game lots of frees and sweepers. Dls remain dogged. The style of play might keep them in games as the competition progresses and hope is douglas or ruddle can pull something out of the bag.

Have no team sheet and had to head early missed extra time so can't really give a better report. Hope someone else can

My god it was unbearable at times to watch! Tactical I suppose is one way of summoning it up! I counted DLS with 8 defenders for most of the game and BCS with 7! Is this what our game is turning into? It was a free ridden farce! BCS were
probably the better team but couldn't put DLS away. Iarlaith Daly was very good as was Tom Barron from placed balls for them. There was only one team in it in extra time and credit to DLS for sticking to their task in ordinary time and for moving up a gear in extra time. Douglas and Ruddle(from placed balls) were good for them but the lack of team sheets at the gate was a big disappointment. DLS sent up so many and they were given out on a first come first served basis but there was no team sheets supplied by BCS. So many neutrals at the game left so disappointed as the quality of players on both sides never got a chance to hurl as at times it was more like rugby with rucks everywhere. For God's sake these are young kids that are being strangled with these negative tactics and it is shameful. A father of a current senior panelist said as much today while watching it and pointed out at both managers as being the fault of it and their predecessors before them.

Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

Comments

Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1