El Presidente Trump

Christy42 · 29-11-2016 03:25PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Users like oik, My Little Pony, myself who saw this coming months ago are giving what we think are the reasons why exactly he won. That's all I'm doing.

Like I said earlier, the media is going to double down and become more extreme/authoritarian/crazy.

Trump is going to do what he's done all his life: use them to get what he wants. He might be an awful president for all any of us know, but as a marketer/persuader? He knows how to do that stuff.

2017 will be a very bad year for the mainstream media.

No he was being defended left right and center. Now there is no one to compare him against it is just you only have the media to blame.

No. It is the people who helped him and argued for him and voted for him.

You saw this in your hat. People cheered him on and now are taking a very third person view now he has won? Will anyone defend this piece of ^^#&?

I saw he was a great marketer months ago as did everyone else. However you and the others did their best to deflect attention from him being a horrific excuse for a human being during the campaign and are doing it now with this you only have yourself to blame.

Jelle1880 · 29-11-2016 03:33PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Users like oik, My Little Pony, myself who saw this coming months ago are giving what we think are the reasons why exactly he won. That's all I'm doing.

Like I said earlier, the media is going to double down and become more extreme/authoritarian/crazy.

Trump is going to do what he's done all his life: use them to get what he wants. He might be an awful president for all any of us know, but as a marketer/persuader? He knows how to do that stuff.

2017 will be a very bad year for the mainstream media.

If you have a person like Trump in office then that's only to be expected.

I mean, I understand that some people would probably like it more if they didn't report on his dumb twitter ****, his settlements for defrauding people, his conflicts of interests, his lies,... but unfortunately that's not how this works.

I think the 'mainstream media' will have a field day with his presidency. Even more so than Dubya. And it's their job so...

pumpkin4life · 29-11-2016 03:33PM

Christy42 wrote: »

No he was being defended left right and center. Now there is no one to compare him against it is just you only have the media to blame.

No. It is the people who helped him and argued for him and voted for him.

You saw this in your hat. People cheered him on and now are taking a very third person view now he has won? Will anyone defend this piece of ^^#&?

I saw he was a great marketer months ago as did everyone else. However you and the others did their best to deflect attention from him being a horrific excuse for a human being during the campaign and are doing it now with this you only have yourself to blame.

No he wasn't.

There's posts of me on this website from months ago saying Trump would win, when I started posting more actively on boards. It's all there if you go looking through my posts. I was saying this to people I knew just before the end of the primaries (some people had it further back) as well, but unfortunately there's no record of that far back. You'll have to take my word on that one

As for supporting him: depends what you mean by support. I thought/think he is better than Hillary, but he's a flawed candidate. I would have gone third party tbh.

foxtrot101 · 29-11-2016 03:52PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

No he wasn't.

There's posts of me on this website from months ago saying Trump would win, when I started posting more actively on boards. It's all there if you go looking through my posts. I was saying this to people I knew just before the end of the primaries (some people had it further back) as well, but unfortunately there's no record of that far back. You'll have to take my word on that one

Yes, you called it, but it was a pure fluke. Even his own team with all the data they would have had available weren't giving him a chance on the eve of the election, yet you somehow could see what they couldn't...I don't think so. Lucky guess.

Trent Houseboat · 29-11-2016 03:56PM

Trump supporters' idea of the media doubling down and becoming more authoritarian(?) seems to consist of reporting on his fraud settlement, his twitter tantrums, correcting his lies and examining the cronies, kooks and racists he's surrounding himself with.

"But, but but Killton's emails" isn't going to distract anyone anymore. Unless of course he actually appoints David Patreaus to Secretary od State at which point her server use will look aspirational.

oik · 29-11-2016 04:18PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Trump supporters' idea of the media doubling down and becoming more authoritarian(?) seems to consist of reporting on his fraud settlement, his twitter tantrums, correcting his lies and examining the cronies, kooks and racists he's surrounding himself with.

"But, but but Killton's emails" isn't going to distract anyone anymore. Unless of course he actually appoints David Patreaus to Secretary od State at which point her server use will look aspirational.

You see one post on an Irish internet forum and start saying "Trump supporters think..."

people like you are the reason he won. All you've known is how to attack which is why when someone came along who would defend them they supported him. Then you attacked them for supporting him so they support him even more and on and on.

You don't all have the collective awareness to stop this nonsense which is why he's going to win in an even bigger landslide next time.

Jelle1880 · 29-11-2016 04:29PM

No you're right, people should just stop pointing out his irregularities, his lies, his behaviour.

After all, otherwise he will win a second term with an ever bigger lead (are we talking about the popular vote here ?)

What kind of logic is that.

And let's not ignore the fact that people seem to be proud of voting for Trump because they are tired of how 'the liberals' treat him. What happened to voting for someone because of their policies ? If someone votes for a candidate to get one over on other people or because others ridicule said candidate then they are dumb as ****.

oik · 29-11-2016 04:32PM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

Yes, you called it, but it was a pure fluke. Even his own team with all the data they would have had available weren't giving him a chance on the eve of the election, yet you somehow could see what they couldn't...I don't think so. Lucky guess.

oik wrote: »

Trump to win with over 300 electoral votes.

To be fair it's not that impressive. Trump was actually only 2 electoral votes off in the RCP no toss ups map the day before the election. It's just that most people ignored the inconvenient facts. You just needed to understand how people process information to know how it would affect their votes which is why most of the university professors who study economics etc predicted Trump would won regardless of the polls.

pumpkin4life · 29-11-2016 04:39PM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

Yes, you called it, but it was a pure fluke. Even his own team with all the data they would have had available weren't giving him a chance on the eve of the election, yet you somehow could see what they couldn't...I don't think so. Lucky guess.

Fluke? Loads of people called it. Not impressive at all. This isn't Big Short stuff by any means:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/91-all-paddy-power-bets-past-two-days-have-been-trump

MPFGLB · 29-11-2016 04:43PM

oik wrote: »

You see one post on an Irish internet forum and start saying "Trump supporters think..."

people like you are the reason he won. All you've known is how to attack which is why when someone came along who would defend them they supported him. Then you attacked them for supporting him so they support him even more and on and on.

You don't all have the collective awareness to stop this nonsense which is why he's going to win in an even bigger landslide next time.

The only attacking I saw was from Trump (and his suppoters) attacking Mexicans, women, immigrants, etc...And Trumpis still at it on Twitter

People who back Trump on here seem to be doing so from a position of smug satisfaction that they saw this coming and also because they (as evidenced by posts) want to stick it to the left liberals

People align themseleves to Trump because they want to be on the side of those who gander some sense of power over others with their 'i told you so' views and sense of self righteous ...while all the while pointing their fingers at anyone who doesn;t agree with them as self righteous .....the irony

Trump was elected and 'created' by his supporters. The media and others have every right to question and point out the issues where he continues to lie and where he is not fit for office...Posters on here (like Trump himself) would have him subjected to no questioning ...

if a bunch of people in Ireland have no sense of power in politics unless backing Trump...fine ...its still doesn't make Trump NOT a liar and a phoney

As for main stream media ...subscriptions to NYT,etc have and are increasing

HellSquirrel · 29-11-2016 04:43PM

Interesting where the new enemy is. Big media will become more authortarian, more corrupt, more blah blah. Anything, -anything- rather than focus on the guy getting inaugurated.

I'd stick a tenner that the media is going to be the new chewtoy for Trump to distract his followers with.

His clear-sighted followers that never fall for Big Anything fooling them just lap this **** up. >.>

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 04:51PM

MPFGLB wrote: »

The only attacking I saw was from Trump (and his suppoters) attacking Mexicans, women, immigrants, etc...And Trumpis still at it on Twitter

People who back Trump on here seem to be doing so from a position of smug satisfaction that they saw this coming and also because they (as evidenced by posts) want to stick it to the left liberals

People align themseleves to Trump because they want to be on the side of those who gander some sense of power over others with their 'i told you so' views and sense of self righteous ...while all the while pointing their fingers at anyone who doesn;t agree with them as self righteous .....the irony

Trump was elected and 'created' by his supporters. The media and others have every right to question and point out the issues where he continues to lie and where he is not fit for office...Posters on here (like Trump himself) would have him subjected to no questioning ...

if a bunch of people in Ireland have no sense of power in politics unless backing Trump...fine ...its still doesn't make Trump NOT a liar and a phoney

As for main stream media ...subscriptions to NYT,etc have and are increasing

Once again posters just don't get it and we will hear many more from posters like you. On the substantial issues Trump's positions won the argument. Liberals want to hijack this election and allow themselves get off the hook. The fact of the matter is the liberals, lefties, neoliberals, phoney socialists, Democrat infidels call them what you like were pushing the wrong policies in the first place. The only argument they were left with was that Trump had bad manners and maybe wearing a wig.

Trent Houseboat · 29-11-2016 04:51PM

oik wrote:

You see one post on an Irish internet forum and start saying "Trump supporters think..."

people like you are the reason he won. All you've known is how to attack which is why when someone came along who would defend them they supported him. Then you attacked them for supporting him so they support him even more and on and on.

You don't all have the collective awareness to stop this nonsense which is why he's going to win in an even bigger landslide next time.

Who did I attack? Who's defending whom? Who are people like me? People like me call him out for being a liar, a bigot, a fraud, entitled and narcissistic. I don't know how we managed to get him elected. Calling someone a racist for saying racist things isn't an attack. I'm pretty sure the people who voted for him are the ones who got him elected, they were the ones who didn't mind voting for a liar and a racist with the temperament of a bag of crabs as long as he did X. Whatever X was for them. I don't know if it's buyers remorse from the pro-Trump crowd to now blame his election on everyone else because the realise they championed the least competent candidate of all time.

Disagreement isn't an attack. Facts are not attacks. The world is not your safe space.

Should we get a consensus from the Trump supporters? It's like nailing jelly to the wall. Perhaps you can row in, do you think the media has been unfair to Trump since the election? Examples? Has it doubled down on anything? Has it become more authoritarian? Was it authoritarian before?

While we're canvassing views, which/how many of his campaign promises must he renege on before you drop your support from him? How long do you think he should be allowed to actively pump sh*t into the swamp?

How long should he be allowed to undermine and demonise the media before it becomes a threat to the freedom of the press.

KingBrian2 wrote:

Democrat infidels

Ah here, I still haven't figured out what a cultural Marxist is supposed to be don't be introducing new nonsense terms.

HellSquirrel · 29-11-2016 04:57PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Who did I attack? Who's defending whom? Who are people like me? People like me call him out for being a liar, a bigot, a fraud, entitled and narcissistic. I don't know how we managed to get him elected. Calling someone a racist for saying racist things isn't an attack. I'm pretty sure the people who voted for him are the ones who got him elected, they were the ones who didn't mind voting for a liar and a racist with the temperament of a bag of crabs as long as he did X. Whatever X was for them. I don't know if it's buyers remorse from the pro-Trump crowd to now blame his election on everyone else because the realise the least competent candidate of all time.

Disagreement isn't an attack. Facts are not attacks. The world is not your safe space.

Should we get a consensus from the Trump supporters? It's like nailing jelly to the wall. Perhaps you can row in, do you think the media has been unfair to Trump since the election? Examples? Has it doubled down on anything? Has it become more authoritarian? Was it authoritarian before?

While we're canvassing views, which/how many of his campaign promises must he renege on before you drop your support from him? How long do you think he should be allowed to actively pump sh*t into the swamp?

How long should he be allowed to undermine and demonise the media before it becomes a threat to the freedom of the press.

Well said. The hypocrisy of some of these pro-Trump positions is absolutely gobsmacking. And yeah, yeah, the left has its hypocrisies too. But the ones that are right in one's face at the moment are..pretty clear.

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 05:02PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Well said. The hypocrisy of some of these pro-Trump positions is absolutely gobsmacking. And yeah, yeah, the left has its hypocrisies too. But the ones that are right in one's face at the moment are..pretty clear.

Trump has a lot of populist appeals and many of these people have various different beliefs. He had to get elected at the end of the day. Unlike Clinton who was promising milk and cookies when she got elected. Not trying to be dismissive of her. She did play a big part in creating a horrible election campaign. The attacks are focused primarily on Trump without looking at the role Clinton fans played in causing havoc.

MPFGLB · 29-11-2016 05:18PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Once again posters just don't get it and we will hear many more from posters like you. On the substantial issues Trump's positions won the argument. Liberals want to hijack this election and allow themselves get off the hook. The fact of the matter is the liberals, lefties, neoliberals, phoney socialists, Democrat infidels call them what you like were pushing the wrong policies in the first place. The only argument they were left with was that Trump had bad manners and maybe wearing a wig.

Talk about twisted inference from others posts and reducing arguments to simple one dimensional

but what is most laughable is your 'people like you' and your derogotary name calling such as phoney socialists, etc..... Your point seems to be -dont reduce my Trump supporting by what I believe is both you superior attitude and negative views but I can call you anything I like

You have no clue as to my politiclal views ....only that I beleive trump is a phoney and a liar...so do lots of people across the divide...this is a fact

I will call him on this and no one will call silenc just becasue they feel they have a right to shut up people (whatever side they are on) becase they saw it all coming or now have some insider superior attitide .... and the arrogance to subject others to diresion while all the while blaming others for derision

Trump is a racist , a monster and you can dress it up how you like
Unlike in Trumps uthopia ...facts happens to be facts
He should be impreached for fraud or violating an embargo while trading with Cuba in 1990s

I am interested in the truth because sooner or later that is what matters even for Trump, even if some numpties find him attractive ....sense will prevail in the end

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 05:29PM

MPFGLB wrote: »

Talk about twisted inference form others posts and reducing arguments to simple one dimensional

but what is most laughable is your 'people like you' and your derogotary name calling such as phoney socialists, etc..... Your point seems to be -dont reduce my Trump supporting by what I believe is both you superior attitude and negative views but I can call you anything I like

You have no clue as to my politiclal views ....only that I beleive trump is a phoney and a liar...so do lots of people across the divide...this is a fact

I will call him on this and no one will call silenc just becasue they feel they have a right to shut up people (whatever side they are on) becase they saw it all coming or now have some insider superior attitide .... and the arrogance to subject others to diresion while all the while blaming others for derision

Trump is a racist , a monster and you can dress it up how you like
Unlike in Trumps uthopia ...facts happens to be facts
He should be impreached for fraud or violating an embargo while trading with Cuba in 1990s

I am interested in the truth because sooner or later that is what matters even for Trump, even if some numpties find him attractive ....sense will prevail in the end

All about Trump, make Trump the centre of the controversy when huge numbers of people voted because they were disinterested in voting for Hillary. Posters like you should be angry at the poor choices that were given rather than giving out that Trump was not sufficiently left wing for you.

Only now are the Democrats talking about vote rigging, throughout the campaign it was alright because their was a strongly likelihood of a Clinton victory. Had Hillary won people like you, posters on here or facebook or the various media sites would be trying gloss over the voter irregularities. If anything the voter fraud vindicates Trump's statement. "It's a rigged system people but at least with me I can't be bought." or words to that affect. Trump won, Democrats are complaining and in some cases practicing violence on the streets of America. Goes to show how undemocratic they truly are. So forgive me if I am put off by some hysteria from elements of the left wing.

HellSquirrel · 29-11-2016 05:31PM

You do understand that a peaceful verification through the normal channels is actually part of the democratic process, right?

As opposed to saying that you'd only accept the results if you win.

...you could not make some of this up.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Trump was complaining and encouraging his supporters to do exactly the same if he wasn´t elected, before the election even took place.

Is this another one of these things that are only a problem if the big bad lefties do it?

Looks like.

Trent Houseboat · 29-11-2016 05:34PM

The Democrats aren't talking about vote rigging. Jill Stein has tapped into the anti-Trump movement to further her own cause.
The Democrats had no interest in a recount, but since it's going ahead the intend to be part of it.

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 05:38PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Trump built his campaign on telling people what they wanted to hear. It worked out brilliantly for him, and I have no problem giving him the credit he´s due for it. It doesn´t mean he won arguments or that he has the more sound policies though - if the man actually follows through with what he´s been saying we´ll have an environmental disaster on our hands, without even getting into his other policies.

I disagree with you on that. Take the Republican Convention he flatly said he was the candidate of Law & Order. Yes we know very conservative message. All the old people watching their tv sets see Black Lives Matter, Jihadi attacks and gun violence all across their cities. Not hard to see them putting two and two together. Hillary was saying the violence was not out there.

On another pressing issue he campaigned vigorously to have safe borders as we all know President Obama deported way more illegal immigrants than Bush so Trump's polices are very consistent with American President's going back a long time. The difference with Trump is that illegal immigrants have to be naturalized Americans and that citizenship is way more important than amnesty or free entry which is what some liberals are calling for. Open up all the borders which would be extremely hard for America to absorb that many immigrants.

Not one of Trump's supporters but on the core issues he overwhelmingly won over the vast majority of the middle ground.

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 05:41PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Trump was complaining and encouraging his supporters to do exactly the same if he wasn´t elected, before the election even took place.

Is this another one of these things that are only a problem if the big bad lefties do it?

Wouldn't exactly call the Democrats leftie but if your going for that yes. The Democrats are dead set against a Trump presidency.

HellSquirrel · 29-11-2016 05:44PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Wouldn't exactly call the Democrats leftie but if your going for that yes. The Democrats are dead set against a Trump presidency.

Well, it's not often that someone actually comes right out and -says- that it's okay when their side does it, but not when the other side does.

Trent Houseboat · 29-11-2016 05:44PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I disagree with you on that. Take the Republican Convention he flatly said he was the candidate of Law & Order. Yes we know very conservative message. All the old people watching their tv sets see Black Lives Matter, Jihadi attacks and gun violence all across their cities. Not hard to see them putting two and two together. Hillary was saying the violence was not out there.

On another pressing issue he campaigned vigorously to have safe borders as we all know President Obama deported way more illegal immigrants than Bush so Trump's polices are very consistent with American President's going back a long time. The difference with Trump is that illegal immigrants have to be naturalized Americans and that citizenship is way more important than amnesty or free entry which is what some liberals are calling for. Open up all the borders which would be extremely hard for America to absorb that many immigrants.

Right so, we know that violent crime rates are declining steadily for years. So people putting two and two together is essentially telling that they are in danger and telling them that you're the only one who can stop it. Classic strongman tactic.

Secondly nobody called for open borders so that's a wild false dichotomy.

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 05:48PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Exactly, he said he was the candidate of law and order. Then implied he wouldn´t accept the election results if they didn´t go his way. This is exactly my point. He told people what they wanted to hear, and happily went against it when it suited him.

I´m far from one of the "open all borders" type you mentioned, but I think given his statements on mexicans and muslims it´s pretty safe to assume that Trump´s "safe borders" are a lot less to do with wanting the best for America and more to do with good old fashioned racism. Whether he´s a racist himself or he was just appealing to certain elements of society I don´t know.

Yes, but he did so by saying what they wanted to hear. Credit to him for pulling it off, but it´s hardly sound leadership.

Hillary did exactly the same infact even worse she did not counter any of what Mr Trump said. She just allowed it to fester and wanted Trump to fall from grace. Her supporters spent a good portion of the campaign digging up dirt on Trump. Trump swept to victory in the Republican primaries and his message appealed to many of Obama and Bernie supporters.

MPFGLB · 29-11-2016 05:48PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

All about Trump, make Trump the centre of the controversy when huge numbers of people voted because they were disinterested in voting for Hillary. Posters like you should be angry at the poor choices that were given rather than giving out that Trump was not sufficiently left wing for you.

Only now are the Democrats talking about vote rigging, throughout the campaign it was alright because their was a strongly likelihood of a Clinton victory. Had Hillary won people like you, posters on here or facebook or the various media sites would be trying gloss over the voter irregularities. If anything the voter fraud vindicates Trump's statement. "It's a rigged system people but at least with me I can't be bought." or words to that affect. Trump won, Democrats are complaining and in some cases practicing violence on the streets of America. Goes to show how undemocratic they truly are. So forgive me if I am put off by some hysteria from elements of the left wing.

This thread i believe is about President Trump...and so I am talking about his views ,position,supporters

If people feel disenfranchised (as they do) then that is another argument , but I would contend that
1. You assume I am on the left in one dimensional labelling.. maybe I am disenfranchised too and I am neither left or right ....
2. It is possible to be disenfranchised and find Trump a fraud and a monster
3. We are arguing about Trump here and everytime people focus on facts about Trump the argument is shifted by some

You seem to argue ( I presume) that an 'attack' (though mostly questioning) on Trump makes him more attractive. I donlt prescribe to this view ...I think the election was one thing. many voted for him becasue he was in their view the most attractive candidate but I will wager many in the middle will wonder about that now
Trump will always have some supporters and anti establishment candidates are always attractive .

But it is right, nay an obligation that trump continues to be open to scrutiny by everyone ...So far his tweets are pretty bad

(BTW I do feel people are disenfranchised and that the left have set many liberal agendas that need looking at but these are just smoke and mirror topics that blind us from the real topic...how our brand of capitalism is favouring the few to the detriment of the many ...and Trump is one of the winners in this type of capitalism and wont change any of that)

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 05:55PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Right so, we know that violent crime rates are declining steadily for years. So people putting two and two together is essentially telling that they are in danger and telling them that you're the only one who can stop it. Classic strongman tactic.

Secondly nobody called for open borders so that's a wild false dichotomy.

On those two points. Firstly domestic terrorism has only gotten worse and worse in the last 3 decades. African Americans are also more likely to be in prison in America. This is not a good sign in America. Those people who are protesting may end up getting a criminal conviction which could be very bad for any future career. I don't how people with criminal convictions in America are treated though so I am not going to pretend to understand that.

The open borders has come up again and again and again. Under Hillary Clinton Syrian refugees would be arriving at 500%. Don't know how that figure was arrived at. I do recall Trump said it was extremely high. Now lets include the 11 million Illegals already in the country and half the third world that want access to America. No amount of KKK is on the rise is going to put off migrants from arriving in America.

KingBrian2 · 29-11-2016 06:03PM

MPFGLB wrote: »

This thread i believe is about President Trump...and so I am talking about his views ,position,supporters

If people feel disenfranchised (as they do) then that is another argument , but I would contend that
1. You assume I am on the left in one dimensional labelling.. maybe I am disenfranchised too and I am neither left or right ....
2. It is possible to be disenfranchised and find Trump a fraud and a monster
3. We are arguing about Trump here and everytime people focus on facts about Trump the argument is shifted by some

You seem to argue ( I presume) that an 'attack' (though mostly questioning) on Trump makes him more attractive. I donlt prescribe to this view ...I think the election was one thing. many voted for him becasue he was in their view the most attractive candidate but I will wager many in the middle will wonder about that now
Trump will always have some supporters and anti establishment candidates are always attractive .

But it is right, nay an obligation that trump continues to be open to scrutiny by everyone ...So far his tweets are pretty bad

(BTW I do feel people are disenfranchised and that the left have set many liberal agendas that need looking at but these are just smoke and mirror topics that blind us from the real topic...how our brand of capitalism is favouring the few to the detriment of the many ...and Trump is one of the winners in this type of capitalism and wont change any of that)

He is being treated unfairly called a monster and he has not become President yet. This forum is about President Trump so Businessperson Trump you cannot compare him to his future role as the head of state of America. People are reasoning that Trump as a businessperson will behave exactly as same when he becomes President. We won't know until he is sworn in and quite frankly it will be fun to watch. I don't believe he will be as bad as everyone is talking about.

GreenFolder2 · 29-11-2016 06:11PM

Considering what the guy said during his campaign, and the collective amnesia that his supporters seem to now be suffering from, it is amazing he's been treated so fairly at all!

The election was probably one of the most divisive, nasty, unpleasant, vicious campaigns (and mostly/almost exclusively from his side) that I have ever witnessed anywhere. It was worthy of something you'd expect to see on a satirical comedy or perhaps in an authoritarian state with little experience of democracy.

The guy is not being treated 'unfairly' and he should be held accountable for what he said during that campaign. It was an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment to the US.

dudara · 29-11-2016 06:14PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Once again posters just don't get it and we will hear many more from posters like you. On the substantial issues Trump's positions won the argument. Liberals want to hijack this election and allow themselves get off the hook. The fact of the matter is the liberals, lefties, neoliberals, phoney socialists, Democrat infidels call them what you like were pushing the wrong policies in the first place. The only argument they were left with was that Trump had bad manners and maybe wearing a wig.

I have to disagree here.

Instead of "On the substantial issues Trump's positions won the argument" I would instead state "On the substantial issues Trump's positions won the supporters". Trump comprehensively lost 3 televised debates against his opponent due to his failure to coherently advance his arguments. Despite this though, he won his supporters.

And "The fact of the matter is the liberals, lefties, neoliberals, phoney socialists, Democrat infidels call them what you like were pushing the wrong policies in the first place" should be more accurately stated as "The fact of the matter is the liberals, lefties, neoliberals, phoney socialists, Democrat infidels call them what you like were pushing policies not palatable to voters".

Use of the word "wrong" is too definitive - we don't know yet whose policies are right or wrong. Only time will tell us that.

InTheTrees · 29-11-2016 06:24PM

It's going to be great to witness the reactions of his followers when their healthcare is replaced by "something amazing".

And trumps plans to gut old age pensions should be a fun one too.

It's going to be a first 100 days to remember that's for sure.

El Presidente Trump

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