Eir rural FTTH thread

lawlerp · 21-11-2016 08:00PM

lawlerp wrote: »

Castleblakeney gone from Winter 2016/Spring 2017 to Early/Mid 2017.

openeir map now says "Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is early/mid 2017" No mention of FTTH. How would I find out if this mean that FTTH is no more and instead it will be FTTC - which is no use to me as I'm too far away.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 21-11-2016 08:22PM

lawlerp wrote: »

openeir map now says "Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is early/mid 2017" No mention of FTTH. How would I find out if this mean that FTTH is no more and instead it will be FTTC - which is no use to me as I'm too far away.

As I posted a few posts above:

I would not be worried. It seems whoever updated the map has removed "FTTH" from a lot of the exchange descriptions. They all now say "first fibre" despite many of them already having live FTTC. It is another annoyance that there is no consistency in the description of updates. It seems different people make changes to the map.

scottyboi_2016 · 21-11-2016 09:45PM

Dunleer's gone from 'Winter 2016' to 'Winter 2016/17'

Johnboy1951 · 21-11-2016 09:47PM

scottyboi_2016 wrote: »

Dunleer's gone from 'Winter 2016' to 'Winter 2016/17'

That seems to be a reasonable correction as Winter spans late 2016 & early 2017.

scottyboi_2016 · 21-11-2016 09:52PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That seems to be a reasonable correction as Winter spans late 2016 & early 2017.

Yeah, I'd say it'll be live soon as my road has been wired up for about a month now and they've installed a few of those black splitter boxes in the last week.

21-11-2016 10:21PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Fiber rollout map has been updated.

It doesn't surprise me that there is another run of delays including my own exchange.

Dunshaughlin moved from Winter 2016 to Winter 2016/2017.

Ratoath moved from Winter 2016 to early/mid 2017.

Ashbourne moved from Winter/Spring to early/mid 2017.

lots of exchanges delayed by at least 3 months.

proof that getting another 36,000 live by end of 2016 was a pile of crap, don't believe anything you read in the papers.

OK we now have a date of early to mid 2017

Gonzo · 21-11-2016 11:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

OK we now have a date of early to mid 2017

most exchanges are now early/mid 2017 giving them much more time to get on with the work. Early/Mid 2017 could mean anywhere from February-August 2017.

Dr. Nick · 22-11-2016 10:37AM

Tara still Spring 2017, however what does the first sentence mean, those who already have some sort of b/band from the exchange will be upgraded?:

TARA

Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is 23 November 2016. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services is Spring 2017

Gwynston · 22-11-2016 10:40AM

Just hope they're not hedging their bets with the ones labelled 'Winter 2016/17'.
After all, December NEXT YEAR could be considered 'Winter 2017' :eek:

Gonzo · 22-11-2016 11:22AM

Dr. Nick wrote: »

Tara still Spring 2017, however what does the first sentence mean, those who already have some sort of b/band from the exchange will be upgraded?:

TARA

Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is 23 November 2016. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services is Spring 2017

that means people who live near Ross Cross who are connected to the cabinet there should get FTTC with speeds up to 70 meg or 100 meg if vectored and can start placing orders from tomorrow. Only those within 2km will be upgraded (they may not be connected to the cabinet from a lesser distance). if eVDSL happens those within 1km should get FTTC.

As for the FTTH it will probably be next March-April if they are saying Spring 2017.

Could that rule those closest to the exchange out of FTTH? Who knows.

Gonzo · 22-11-2016 12:51PM

another update, the second spur of our blue line is being wired this morning. This spur is no more than 600 meters and they are already over half way mark. They really wire very quickly. The longest part is wiring up the first pole wiring point (WP1 Start). This spur section of blue line should be completed by lunchtime.

Looks like my segment of the blue line is the last part to get wired up. A distance of roughly 700 meters of which 400 is already ducted. I really hope they get back to us after lunch or tomorrow and finish the job and put an end to a long nailbitting 8 months!

Nyum Nyum · 22-11-2016 02:22PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

How about everyone being less selfish and wait until end Mar. 2017 and then get a count of how many of the 100,000 premises have been passed with eir FTTH?

Naw, that would mean there would be no moaning and complaining about eir time-scale in the meantime

When Eir want €50 p/m from me for a poor quality 3MB service (just broadband btw) yet houses three doors away from me are on a blue line, then I, for one, will be as selfish as I like, thanks.

Johnboy1951 · 22-11-2016 02:54PM

Nyum Nyum wrote: »

When Eir want €50 p/m from me for a poor quality 3MB service (just broadband btw) yet houses three doors away from me are on a blue line, then I, for one, will be as selfish as I like, thanks.

If you are not on an eir 'blue line' then how or when they roll out that blue line does not affect you in the least, it seems.

You are amongst those who depend on the NBP for your connection upgrade.

legocrazy505 · 22-11-2016 03:03PM

To be honest seeing people moan over this rollout when we've been promised FTTC in the village for years, literally years, is just laughable. Be glad Eir are at least looking committed to starting improving some of our broadband connections.

I await the NBP rollout now every day but we have to all remember the FTTH rollout will take time but once done it will finally fix the infrastructure for a long time to come.

superloopy · 22-11-2016 04:42PM

legocrazy505 wrote: »

To be honest seeing people moan over this rollout when we've been promised FTTC in the village for years, literally years, is just laughable. Be glad Eir are at least looking committed to starting improving some of our broadband connections.

I await the NBP rollout now every day but we have to all remember the FTTH rollout will take time but once done it will finally fix the infrastructure for a long time to come.

What's this new tack of people posting about moaning about people moaning? You do realize we are all in the same boat and that's the only reason we keep checking this thread?

I think we are entitled to moan about FTTH on a thread specifically dealing with FTTH. My exchange doesn't have FTTC either.

People are allowed comment about the FTTH rollout and lack of said rollout. People telling them to shut up because they have it worse!! Mental.

Hit up.

Eir is the problem.

I was waiting for 20 years. Is that enough for a moan?

My download speed is 3.50 down and 0.20 up.

I can't get 4G. My 3G connection is patchy and congested.

Eir gave me hope. Silly me for believing the hundreds of articles and tv ads. And me ignoring my history with Eircom.

Johnboy1951 · 22-11-2016 05:06PM

People need to realise that this particular thread is about a commercial roll out of FTTH by one company.

As it is a commercial scheme that company will do whatever it decides is in ITS best interest.
They will consider us and our opinions, ONLY, as customers ...... IF that commercial roll out reaches us.
Those of us that are not due to avail of this commercial roll out are of little interest in this case.
Those who are in the roll out area will just have to wait until the commercial decision determines when we receive the service.

There are other threads about FTTH also ..... such as the SIRO thread and the NBP thread.

The expectations of FTTH for all (NBP) should not be those for this commercial roll out. Neither should we expect to influence, in any material way, the commercial decisions behind this roll out.

superloopy · 22-11-2016 05:10PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

People need to realise that this particular thread is about a commercial roll out of FTTH by one company.

As it is a commercial scheme that company will do whatever it decides is in ITS best interest.
They will consider us and our opinions, ONLY, as customers ...... IF that commercial roll out reaches us.
Those of us that are not due to avail of this commercial roll out are of little interest in this case.
Those who are in the roll out area will just have to wait until the commercial decision determines when we receive the service.

There are other threads about FTTH also ..... such as the SIRO thread and the NBP thread.

The expectations of FTTH for all (NBP) should not be those for this commercial roll out. Neither should we expect to influence, in any material way, the commercial decisions behind this roll out.

...Eir couldn't have written it better.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-11-2016 05:28PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

People need to realise that this particular thread is about a commercial roll out of FTTH by one company.

As it is a commercial scheme that company will do whatever it decides is in ITS best interest.
They will consider us and our opinions, ONLY, as customers ...... IF that commercial roll out reaches us.
Those of us that are not due to avail of this commercial roll out are of little interest in this case.
Those who are in the roll out area will just have to wait until the commercial decision determines when we receive the service.

There are other threads about FTTH also ..... such as the SIRO thread and the NBP thread.

The expectations of FTTH for all (NBP) should not be those for this commercial roll out. Neither should we expect to influence, in any material way, the commercial decisions behind this roll out.

https://twitter.com/openeir/status/751323728491974656

https://twitter.com/openeir/status/753852899461955585

This is what people are complaining about. Being misled by vastly over ambitious targets. Notice they say "will be able" not may or could be able. This is now not going to happen.

Even last week we had the MD of Openeir lying about 35000 premises being passed by the end of the year. Why shouldn't people call them out on their misinformation?

long_b · 22-11-2016 05:36PM

Nothing to worry about folks, Gonzo will share his connection with us when he gets it next month, eh Gonzo?

Johnboy1951 · 22-11-2016 05:46PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

https://twitter.com/openeir/status/751323728491974656

https://twitter.com/openeir/status/753852899461955585

This is what people are complaining about. Being misled by vastly over ambitious targets. Notice they say "will be able" not may or could be able. This is now not going to happen.

Even last week we had the MD of Openeir lying about 35000 premises being passed by the end of the year. Why shouldn't people call them out on their misinformation?

You have made two statements above ..... clear and definite.
What facts can you produce to show the truth of your statements?
You can see the future and know what will happen by the end of the year?

***

Quite simply, most likely you as well most of us in this thread, have no real idea whether their predictions are possible/probable or not.
None of us have access to the plans for the roll out nor the reasons for decisions made.

When/IF they fail miserably to live up to their promises I will be one of those loudly berating them for their false promises to us all.

Until then, while I can see them working on the roll out and I, like most everyone else, have no way to judge if they are on target or not, I will accept their promise on face value.
Personally I expect the 100,000 date to slip, but I fully expect them to reach their 300,000 target on time.

Gonzo · 22-11-2016 05:57PM

long_b wrote: »

Nothing to worry about folks, Gonzo will share his connection with us when he gets it next month, eh Gonzo?

Everyone's making fairly valid points. While this is a commercial rollout, it is a second round of upsetting a lot of people who are not gonna get anything, similar to the FTTC rollout.

I remember feeling very much kicked in the teeth when the FTTC rollout delayed Dunshaughlin for over 6 months, and then for the roll-out to finally exclude all areas beyond the town boundary was the final straw. Once the roll-out began in Dunshaughlin, excluding my area, I genuinely felt that a decent connection beyond 8 megs was never ever gonna happen and was beyond frustrated when UPC ads and eFibre ads would be spread all over media.

For those who are on a blue line, much patience is required. The past year has been very testing of all our patience and it doesn't help when you read an article in the media picking dates and numbers out of the air. But get there we will, slowly but surely.

The roll-out has certainly been stepped up several gears over the past 2 weeks. Various reports here are indicating that Open Eir/KNN are working on this 7 days a week. A few months of this could hopefully put the roll-out back on target for a December 2018 conclusion. They do seem to be trying their best to make up for much lost time over the past several months.

My area is almost done now, thought the lads would have finished my part of the line as well but they didn't get onto my segment of road today at all.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-11-2016 06:06PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

You have made two statements above ..... clear and definite.
What facts can you produce to show the truth of your statements?
You can see the future and know what will happen by the end of the year?

***

Quite simply, most likely you as well most of us in this thread, have no real idea whether their predictions are possible/probable or not.
None of us have access to the plans for the roll out nor the reasons for decisions made.

When/IF they fail miserably to live up to their promises I will be one of those loudly berating them for their false promises to us all.

Until then, while I can see them working on the roll out and I, like most everyone else, have no way to judge if they are on target or not, I will accept their promise on face value.
Personally I expect the 100,000 date to slip, but I fully expect them to reach their 300,000 target on time.

Fact 1:
As of yesterday they have announced 2852 premises passed out of 106340 for a 2.68% completion rate of their original 100K announcement.

Fact 2:
Only two areas, Crosshaven and Inverin were given due dates for December, both the 14th for a possible maximum of 830 extra premises. Nowhere else has been given a due date this year.

I don't think it is strange to extrapolate from this that they are not going to have 35000 premises passed by December 31st or with 128 days to go, including Christmas and New Years days, until March the 31st that it is highly unlikely that they will pass 103488 premises in that timeframe.

I can only go on the data that has been released so far. You seem to be operating on blind faith.

Johnboy1951 · 22-11-2016 06:31PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Fact 1:
As of yesterday they have announced 2852 premises passed out of 106340 for a 2.68% completion rate of their original 100K announcement.

Fact 2:
Only two areas, Crosshaven and Inverin were given due dates for December, both the 14th for a possible maximum of 830 extra premises. Nowhere else has been given a due date this year.

I don't think it is strange to extrapolate from this that they are not going to have 35000 premises passed by December 31st or with 128 days to go, including Christmas and New Years days, until March the 31st that it is highly unlikely that they will pass 103488 premises in that timeframe.

I can only go on the data that has been released so far. You seem to be operating on blind faith.

No, I am operating on the fact that the roll-out is not on a linear time frame regarding premises passed.
The 'passing' of the premises with fibre is the last stage of meeting the 'premises passed' figure. It is also the least time-consuming when compared to the preparation needed for it to happen.

Extrapolation of the time-frame Vs premises passed, as you appear to have done, does not take into account the non-linear aspect of the roll-out.

That, and the fact that eir has a responsibility to its shareholders and is unlikely to deliberately lead them astray, indicates that eir is releasing information that is as accurate as it can be at the time of release.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-11-2016 06:36PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

No, I am operating on the fact that the roll-out is not on a linear time frame regarding premises passed.
The 'passing' of the premises with fibre is the last stage of meeting the 'premises passed' figure. It is also the least time-consuming when compared to the preparation needed for it to happen.

Extrapolation of the time-frame Vs premises passed, as you appear to have done, does not take into account the non-linear aspect of the roll-out.

That, and the fact that eir has a responsibility to its shareholders and is unlikely to deliberately lead them astray, indicates that eir is releasing information that is as accurate as it can be at the time of release.

You should offer your consulting services to Openeir as they seem not to have understood your "non-linear" theory when announcing their original deadline.

Gwynston · 22-11-2016 06:38PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That, and the fact that eir has a responsibility to its shareholders and is unlikely to deliberately lead them astray, indicates that eir is releasing information that is as accurate as it can be at the time of release.

Either that, or else there's the possibility that the customer-facing publicity machine is completely disconnected from the people actually involved in the rollout schedule. Or maybe they're not disconnected, but wantonly putting out misinformation regardless!

Whatever - they will be saving the accurate information for the shareholders in isolation... :rolleyes:

KOR101 · 22-11-2016 07:12PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

You should offer your consulting services to Openeir as they seem not to have understood your "non-linear" theory when announcing their original deadline.

Eir have done nothing that would harm themselves so far. The harm would come from winning an area but losing the subsidy because they had already made connections available to some premises there.

Doing preparatory work doesn't harm them at all provided they can commercially justify connecting the premises without a subsidy in preference to another company getting the connection. The preparation puts them in a good place to react to losing a particular area and also serves a warning to Government that they risk a legal case should Eir lose out.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-11-2016 07:17PM

KOR101 wrote: »

Eir have done nothing that would harm themselves so far. The harm would come from winning an area but losing the subsidy because they had already made connections available to some premises there.

Doing preparatory work doesn't harm them at all provided they can commercially justify connecting the premises without a subsidy in preference to another company getting the connection. The preparation puts them in a good place to react to losing a particular area and also serves a warning to Government that they risk a legal case should Eir lose out.

Yeah I was thinking that having the prep work done is an advantage alright. Even better if they can then claim subsidies for connecting those premises. It would be one explanation for the pushing back of deadlines to align more with the start of the NBP.

Gonzo · 22-11-2016 09:53PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

No, I am operating on the fact that the roll-out is not on a linear time frame regarding premises passed.

That, and the fact that eir has a responsibility to its shareholders and is unlikely to deliberately lead them astray, indicates that eir is releasing information that is as accurate as it can be at the time of release.

I tend to agree that this is not a linear process either, I am not backing up Eir over the 3-6 month delay but I do believe they will make things right over time based on:

1 - They have really stepped things up a gear recently with the rollout, working 7 days per week. If they continue this for several months, working 2 extra days per week will really add up. If they did this for the next 12 months they would gain 3 months back using current manpower.

2 - They are hiring/training a bigger team to help with the rollout. An extra 100 lads will be trained and ready to help from the new year. This will greatly speed up things further. The wiring team near my area today only consisted of 4 lads so this is equivalent to 20+ extra teams. Again this is likely to move things forward.

3 - Most of them have only been working with this FTTH process for past few months, they are likely to get faster and more efficient as time goes on.

4 - Increasing threat and competition with Siro will fuel them to keep the momentum going.

5 - The FTTC rollout was slow to begin with, many exchanges were delayed anywhere from 3-12 months, however they still meet their end goal/target of 1.6 million homes by mid 2016. They became much quicker at this rollout as time went on, extra manpower, confidence and efficiency. I am hoping they can achieve the same with the FTTH rollout, despite the frustration of this year, we already have proof that things are finally starting to move a bit faster over past few weeks. Lets hope they really build on this from January.

22-11-2016 10:03PM

I would believe that the slower than expected ramp up could simply be down to logistics of starting to rollout such a major task.
As the crews get more experienced, their timelines will shrink and soon catch up with the schedule.
I expect that the actual connecting of consumers will be a bigger challenge, with trying to co-ordinate visits with householders and customers signing up at different times, they'll be all over the place.

legocrazy505 · 22-11-2016 10:15PM

superloopy wrote: »

What's this new tack of people posting about moaning about people moaning? You do realize we are all in the same boat and that's the only reason we keep checking this thread?

I think we are entitled to moan about FTTH on a thread specifically dealing with FTTH. My exchange doesn't have FTTC either.

People are allowed comment about the FTTH rollout and lack of said rollout. People telling them to shut up because they have it worse!! Mental.

Hit up.

Eir is the problem.

I was waiting for 20 years. Is that enough for a moan?

My download speed is 3.50 down and 0.20 up.

I can't get 4G. My 3G connection is patchy and congested.

Eir gave me hope. Silly me for believing the hundreds of articles and tv ads. And me ignoring my history with Eircom.

The problem is though some of you are moaning about it as if it will never happen. You're acting like the rollout hasn't even started when it clearly has, the bolded point in your post proves my case.

My point is complaining every day of the week isn't going to speed things up, yes it's slow, yes their advertised rollout claims are looking like BS but people on the blue lines are acting as if Eir have come along and taken away their house. If you are part of the 300,000 you are lucky enough to have a more concrete future ahead in terms of broadband availability, those of us not on the blue lines are left to the mercy of the government.

Seriously though getting invested and believing rollout figures is like believing Santa is real, they are more than likely never going to hit their targets on time. It's better to be sceptical and then not have to have a cry when you realise it was all made up.

You would be much better off trying to work out what areas are underway, Eir can't hear you here (they never responded to me even in their talk to). If you are really that mad over the rollout's slower than advertised progress then direct the moaning at Eir not a thread on boards because what does it achieve here? If all of you started complaining about it to Eir at least they'd be seeing it.

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