Eir rural FTTH thread

long_b

long_b wrote: »

The pole that that's on has WP8 marked on it.

On the last pole is a much thinner cable with no writing on it.

You can just see in the picture that that like 8 or 10 mm cable is coming out from a whopping great 1.5 inch pipe which goes right into the ground.

Is that not a bit .... odd ?
Like with all the rain etc getting in there ?

tsue921i8wljb3

long_b wrote: »

You can just see in the picture that that like 8 or 10 mm cable is coming out from a whopping great 1.5 inch pipe which goes right into the ground.

Is that not a bit .... odd ?
Like with all the rain etc getting in there ?

Are you sure that is new cable? It's not somebody's phone line is it? If it's fibre water is no concern.

kevinbad2010

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I did not say that. long_b said it. You would not have to call them. If your line was suitable the modem should re-sync automatically I believe.

o sorry not used to the boards.ie outdated messenger

I don't think that is the case

The first time FTTC came I got it and got around 30MB Then called Eir up and got put on technical phone line talked to the fellow about the speeds to see if it can go any faster guy checks out the line sees it can handle 40MB UP and after a hour or so it got synced on my router no problem

tsue921i8wljb3

kevinbad2010 wrote: »

o sorry not used to the boards.ie outdated messenger

I don't think that is the case

The first time FTTC came I got it and got around 30MB Then called Eir up and got put on technical phone line talked to the fellow about the speeds to see if it can go any faster guy checks out the line sees it can handle 40MB UP and after a hour or so it got synced on my router no problem

Ok. One of the other contributors can confirm or deny what I said.

Johnboy1951

long_b wrote: »

You can just see in the picture that that like 8 or 10 mm cable is coming out from a whopping great 1.5 inch pipe which goes right into the ground.

Is that not a bit .... odd ?
Like with all the rain etc getting in there ?

Seems very similar to the photos I posted earlier

The first shows the ducting coming out of the pipe on the pole

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101718248&postcount=2198

The second shows the ducting cut short and the cable coming out of it

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101721861&postcount=2201

long_b

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Seems very similar to the photos I posted earlier

The first shows the ducting coming out of the pipe on the pole

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101718248&postcount=2198

The second shows the ducting cut short and the cable coming out of it

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101721861&postcount=2201

Sure does look similar - without the ducting though

kevinbad2010

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Ok. One of the other contributors can confirm or deny what I said.

Actually the biggest difference I see in speed test is the ping seems to hover around 10ms instead of the same 15ms otherwise all the UP and Down speeds are nearly the same so vectoring affects ping more then UP and Down speeds I guess?

tsue921i8wljb3

long_b wrote: »

Sure does look similar - without the ducting though

That's why I'm unsure if it is actually a fibre cable. Everywhere I've seen has had some form of ducting installed first. Pipes like the 14/10 in your first picture or the 16/10 mentioned earlier in the thread. Johnboy's ducting seems to be white maybe a smaller diameter again.

tsue921i8wljb3

kevinbad2010 wrote: »

Actually the biggest difference I see in speed test is the ping seems to hover around 10ms instead of the same 15ms otherwise all the UP and Down speeds are nearly the same so vectoring affects ping more then UP and Down speeds I guess?

I believe it does help with a reduction in ping times. I'm really no expert in vectoring though so one of the more knowledgeable posters will be able to clarify things for you.

Johnboy1951

long_b wrote: »

Sure does look similar - without the ducting though

Maybe the ducting was cut too short ...

ItHurtsWhenIP

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I did not say that. long_b said it. You would not have to call them. If your line was suitable the modem should re-sync automatically I believe.

I don't think it does it automatically. With eFibre, they fix the profile on the modem. AFAIK, they go for the highest that the stats show as being attainable, but if it starts being unstable and keeps dropping they reduce the profile to the next level and so on, until it stabilises.

ADSL/ADSL2+ would have synced to the highest rate possible automatically (Rate Adaptive I think it's called).

tsue921i8wljb3

ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »

I don't think it does it automatically. With eFibre, they fix the profile on the modem. AFAIK, they go for the highest that the stats show as being attainable, but if it starts being unstable and keeps dropping they reduce the profile to the next level and so on, until it stabilises.

ADSL/ADSL2+ would have synced to the highest rate possible automatically (Rate Adaptive I think it's called).

Oh right, sorry for the misinformation. How does that work then when they enable vectoring in an exchange? Surely they don't expect every customer to contact them for a speed boost?

kevinbad2010

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Oh right, sorry for the misinformation. How does that work then when they enable vectoring in an exchange? Surely they don't expect every customer to contact them for a speed boost?

Not every customer will go through the hassle and wouldn't even know the option exists for them only people who know this stuff would. Sounds like when I get the chance a ring will be needed

tsue921i8wljb3

Anyway we're way off topic here. Perhaps a mod can move these posts to the vectoring thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88767389

long_b

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Are you sure that is new cable? It's not somebody's phone line is it? If it's fibre water is no concern.

Full marks to Navi. Apologies to all - checked with the neighbour. It's for phone.

Put it down to "fibre fever"!!

EDIT https://youtu.be/xaI6m2x6Nf4

tsue921i8wljb3

long_b wrote: »

Full marks to Navi. Apologies to all - checked with the neighbour. It's for phone.

Put it down to "fibre fever"!!

Ah well. The fact the've marked the poles with WP should be some consolation. If Gonzo is right the cabling crew might not be far off..

Gonzo

long_b wrote: »

Full marks to Navi. Apologies to all - checked with the neighbour. It's for phone.

Put it down to "fibre fever"!!

EDIT: I'll just get my coat...

tomorrow trace your line back near the start of the exchange, there should be ducting of some sort, coded in white paint with numbers and arrows. Then when the poles start there should be yellow painted codes for every 2nd or 3rd pole starting off with WP1 Start and an arrow, beside end of blue line should be WP (number) END.

If that's the case wiring should be very close.

Pole markings appear to depend on the contractor, around here they just marked some poles with an "L".

breathn

Our exchange got upgraded recently but after ringing air they say their broadband can only support "up to 7mbit" for our house.

The fibre rollout website has that blue line passing directly by our house and saying that this is a FTTH rollout area.

I'm trying to figure out what the cheapest possible internet delivered over FTTH would be. I guess the product eventually delivered over it would be "eir fibre extreme"? But that's likely to be €70 per month for 150mbit

Will other companies be able to deliver broadband over the fibre lines to the homes on the "blue line" rollout? As in would Vodafone's LightSpeed €55 350mbit be sold over those fibre lines instead?

I'd love the idea of competition using eirs FTTH physical cables. Will it happen?

The Cush

breathn wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out what the cheapest possible internet delivered over FTTH would be. I guess the product eventually delivered over it would be "eir fibre extreme"? But that's likely to be €70 per month for 150mbit

Will other companies be able to deliver broadband over the fibre lines to the homes on the "blue line" rollout? As in would Vodafone's LightSpeed €55 350mbit be sold over those fibre lines instead?

I'd love the idea of competition using eirs FTTH physical cables. Will it happen?

Pure Telecom are reselling Eir's FTTH https://www.puretelecom.ie/lightning-fibre/
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/pure-telecom-broadband-ireland-1gbps-open-eir

See eir's retail FTTH extreme pricing (standalone and with phone line) here, page 3 - https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

Vodafone are in a joint venture company with the ESB called SIRO who are rolling out their own FTTH wholesale network so we wouldn't expect to see them any time soon making their service available on a rival network.

Gonzo

you could always go for the broadband only option for FTTH which is 20 euros cheaper. You can't see an FTTH broadband only option untill your line is passing for FTTH.

niallb

breathn wrote: »

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Will other companies be able to deliver broadband over the fibre lines to the homes on the "blue line" rollout? ...
I'd love the idea of competition using eirs FTTH physical cables. Will it happen?...

The fiber is not Eir's. It is Open Eir's and must be made available to all retail operators.

They don't sell anything the public can purchase directly.
Link to Open Eir Products.

marcel353

Quick update on the Dunshaughlin exchange,
Splice boxes have started to appear on the Trim Road and Culmullin road, 4 in total, looks to me they are working from the end the line back towards exchange.

Gonzo

marcel353 wrote: »

Quick update on the Dunshaughlin exchange,
Splice boxes have started to appear on the Trim Road and Culmullin road, 4 in total, looks to me they are working from the end the line back towards exchange.

Im starting to get concerned, the section of road I'm on still not wired, although it's been marked for wiring nearly 2 weeks. I really hope they finally wire the road up this week.

most of Dunshaughlin is nearly complete, this is what I've seen over the weekend.

Lagore Road first 2 km: ducting complete, waiting to go live.
Lagore Road last 1km: ducting incomplete, wiring stage 1 complete, waiting for splice boxes (wiring stage 2).
Lagore Road Mooretown: wiring stage 1 complete, waiting for splice boxes (wiring stage 2) .
Lagore Road Cul De Sac: ducting incomplete, marked for wiring, waiting on wiring stage 1.

R125 towards Ratoath: ducting complete, wiring in progress
Kileen Castle to Dunshaughlin: ducting complete, wiring and splice boxes complete.
Leshamstown Lane: ducting complete, wiring and splice boxes complete.

Bog Road: no work started yet
Rathbeggan: wiring stage 1 complete, waiting for splice boxes (wiring stage 2) .

Trim Road:wiring stage 1 complete, Wiring Stage 2 in progress .
Porterstown Lane: unknown
Batterstown Road: unknown.

Finne1993

Ftth is going live in my area (rural Carlingford) on the 21st December according to a local engineer here, all the wiring and splice boxes are in place since last week.
Net1 are already advertising it so I'm assuming all the other players such as Sky, Vodafone etc will be offering packages soon. I'm not keen on Eirs prices, they seem very expensive, all I'm after is a broadband only package, but I've yet to see any prices for that

Gonzo

Finne1993 wrote: »

Ftth is going live in my area (rural Carlingford) on the 21st December according to a local engineer here, all the wiring and splice boxes are in place since last week.
Net1 are already advertising it so I'm assuming all the other players such as Sky, Vodafone etc will be offering packages soon. I'm not keen on Eirs prices, they seem very expensive, all I'm after is a broadband only package, but I've yet to see any prices for that

it's down as winter 2016/2017 on the open eir map, same as my own exchange. I doubt the Dunshaughlin exchange will go live till at least January, still got some work to do and roads to wire.

The Open Eir map could do with fixing, it's not loading properly past few days.

The Cush

Finne1993 wrote: »

so I'm assuming all the other players such as Sky, Vodafone etc will be offering packages soon. I'm not keen on Eirs prices, they seem very expensive, all I'm after is a broadband only package, but I've yet to see any prices for that

See page 3 of this eir document for their standalone FTTH (extreme) pricing
https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

Don't expect to see Vodafone offering packages any time soon due to their involvement in SIRO.

ItHurtsWhenIP

Gonzo wrote: »

...
The Open Eir map could do with fixing, it's not loading properly past few days.

I was having issues with Firefox alright, but Chrome is fine.

snowstreams

The Cush wrote: »

See page 3 of this eir document for their standalone FTTH (extreme) pricing
https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf
.....

Ok so 55, 63, 75 euro a month for the 150,300,1000MB connections respectively.

Not a bad price for the 150MB option for any rural customer.

Gonzo

ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »

I was having issues with Firefox alright, but Chrome is fine.

for me it's the same on everything. grey background, no names. Can just see the blue lines and dots.