Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

culbaire · 16-11-2016 09:28PM

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Heard today 45 players have been called up for training on the hurling panel . Obviously no official training allowed yet . Some young players who weren't involved in the under 21 team this year too.

Was there not training last week? Who is going to fund costs for 45 players?
Presumably - as was the case last year- there will be training on Christmas morning as well. Stupidity of the highest order!!! Players need a break after a very hard season. Otherwise they will be burned out by August 2017.

thesultan · 16-11-2016 09:41PM

Need to be really fit to play a thirteen man defence

mickmackmcgoo · 16-11-2016 10:02PM

culbaire wrote:

Was there not training last week? Who is going to fund costs for 45 players? Presumably - as was the case last year- there will be training on Christmas morning as well. Stupidity of the highest order!!! Players need a break after a very hard season. Otherwise they will be burned out by August 2017.

Yes they trained last week . 45 will be whittled down fairly quickly as you say due to costs for a start. There's no harm in bringing new faces in to have a look at and put them on the gym work and physical stuff and give them an idea of what's required. Training Xmas day is ridiculous for sure but I think that was more a statement of commitment. But no need for it . When it comes to 26 names for championship there will be very few changes from this year although I'd like to see 4 or 5 changes . Some are on the panel a while and will never get a start

Cake Man · 16-11-2016 10:56PM

Is that Martin O'Neill or Martin "F" O'Neill? Both play for Mount Sion and the former was on the team a few years ago under Ryan but hasn't been involved much under Derek. I ask because MFO'Neill was on the team of the year so not too sure who is being referred to.

3ships · 16-11-2016 11:14PM

Cake Man wrote: »

Is that Martin O'Neill or Martin "F" O'Neill? Both play for Mount Sion and the former was on the team a few years ago under Ryan but hasn't been involved much under Derek. I ask because MFO'Neill was on the team of the year so not too sure who is being referred to.

Martin F

cul beag · 17-11-2016 12:20AM

Token gesture stuff bringing in these fellas because we know there won't be any major changes. Prunty I think could be looked at as his size could have a difference if we come up against the likes of Walter Walsh or John Conlon later in the championship. Again we'll have the usual 15-20 names that he'll pick from and the rest will make up the numbers for training like they have been doing for a number of years. They'll get a run out then in a dead rubber league game and normal service will resume after that. 2-3 will be thrown into the Munster league that have joined the panel this year and that keeps them happy. Why these fellas hang around the back end of the squad is beyond me especially if they have been there for some years. Surely they must realise they're not going to see any meaningful action and are wasting their time? You see the same names on the extended panel year in year out,different players are brought in ahead of them and still they persevere. No its not commitment its foolishness of the highest order. We'll hear the rubbish spouted about them being a big part of the squad but in reality they're skivvies. Best of luck to them I suppose, but the few that walked having seen the light are hurling much more better with their clubs as a result. Coincidence? I think not!

robopaddy2 · 17-11-2016 12:35AM

3ships wrote: »

Martin F

Was thinking as much, I heard the other Martin O'Neill (previously on panel and Munster minor winning captain in 09) had emigrated to Canada. Not sure what the situation with Foran is, last year he didn't make himself available, maybe its the same this year?

robopaddy2 · 17-11-2016 12:50AM

cul beag wrote: »

Token gesture stuff bringing in these fellas because we know there won't be any major changes. Prunty I think could be looked at as his size could have a difference if we come up against the likes of Walter Walsh or John Conlon later in the championship. Again we'll have the usual 15-20 names that he'll pick from and the rest will make up the numbers for training like they have been doing for a number of years. They'll get a run out then in a dead rubber league game and normal service will resume after that. 2-3 will be thrown into the Munster league that have joined the panel this year and that keeps them happy. Why these fellas hang around the back end of the squad is beyond me especially if they have been there for some years. Surely they must realise they're not going to see any meaningful action and are wasting their time? You see the same names on the extended panel year in year out,different players are brought in ahead of them and still they persevere. No its not commitment its foolishness of the highest order. We'll hear the rubbish spouted about them being a big part of the squad but in reality they're skivvies. Best of luck to them I suppose, but the few that walked having seen the light are hurling much more better with their clubs as a result. Coincidence? I think not!

A lot of these lads don't know any different. You've got to remember they've been on county development squads since 13 or 14 years of age, been nurtured and pampered up through the underage ranks and treated like young kings at Tony Forristal and county minor level, many just assume they will go on to make it at senior level. When they don't, and find themselves cast aside on the periphery of the senior panel, some of them don't know where to turn or what else to do with themselves. Easy to say why would you bother, but when you've dedicated your whole life to the cause it must be hard to let go.

Cake Man · 17-11-2016 02:08AM

cul beag wrote: »

Token gesture stuff bringing in these fellas because we know there won't be any major changes. Prunty I think could be looked at as his size could have a difference if we come up against the likes of Walter Walsh or John Conlon later in the championship. Again we'll have the usual 15-20 names that he'll pick from and the rest will make up the numbers for training like they have been doing for a number of years. They'll get a run out then in a dead rubber league game and normal service will resume after that. 2-3 will be thrown into the Munster league that have joined the panel this year and that keeps them happy. Why these fellas hang around the back end of the squad is beyond me especially if they have been there for some years. Surely they must realise they're not going to see any meaningful action and are wasting their time? You see the same names on the extended panel year in year out,different players are brought in ahead of them and still they persevere. No its not commitment its foolishness of the highest order. We'll hear the rubbish spouted about them being a big part of the squad but in reality they're skivvies. Best of luck to them I suppose, but the few that walked having seen the light are hurling much more better with their clubs as a result. Coincidence? I think not!

Not really sure what you mean by the above. I get what you're trying to say about a certain amount of players not getting much, if any, game time. In an ideal world, all players would get a run out and everyone would be happy but it just doesn't work like that. Every team in both codes up and down the country has players on the panel that get little to no game time, I don't think it's just specific to Waterford. As I said, it's not ideal lads turning up season after season knowing they probably won't get a look in but what can you do? Going by the post above, the only solution would literally be to cut the panel to 20 players as that way you'll have 15 starters and then (the way the game has gone these days) the 5 subs would be used which ensures everyone gets a game. That's not going to happen as we know as managers obviously need multiple options, cover for nearly every position and competition for places to keep lads on their toes.
A manager will pick his best players and that usually always means the same names, I can't really see what the problem is there. Also, how else do you introduce fresh blood? Surely the most logical way is to give them a few Munster league and "dead rubber league" games. I don't see the point dropping them straight into a Munster or AI championship game (unless of course their hand is forced or the player has shown enough in training that they can come in and do a job).

Cake Man · 17-11-2016 02:43AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Was thinking as much, I heard the other Martin O'Neill (previously on panel and Munster minor winning captain in 09) had emigrated to Canada. Not sure what the situation with Foran is, last year he didn't make himself available, maybe its the same this year?

Yeah he must have emigrated as I hadn't heard his name in the last few years with either club or county. Tbh I don't think he would've been involved if he was around anyway as I believe there are a good few ahead of him in the pecking order.

PTH2009 · 17-11-2016 03:38PM

best of luck to Lismore who face Kilmoyley of Kerry in the Munster Club intermediate final on Saturday

be nice for another Waterford team to bring back the Munster intermediate crown (Cappoquinn 2014 the only Waterford club team the win the title)

Kilmoyley will be a tough challenge as they are a senior club and would of been playing in a higher level than Lismore but Lismore have shown to be a cut above the rest in Waterford and will fancy there chances at silverware

Is the game on WLR ???

winners will face the Galway Intermediate Champions in the AI semi finals in Jan 2017

http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/austin-gleeson-couldn-cope-with-the-pressure/

good interview with Aussie and he states the players love be managed by Derek Mcgrath

I cant wait for the 2017 season to start

thesultan · 17-11-2016 03:53PM

The thing is that we had nearly 13 start every league game that were certainties to start championship. Kevin Moran and the Brick need a rest. We need to rotate fellas as was seen in the Munster final we sprang one to two with very little game time.

JesusRef · 17-11-2016 07:01PM

thesultan wrote: »

The thing is that we had nearly 13 start every league game that were certainties to start championship. Kevin Moran and the Brick need a rest. We need to rotate fellas as was seen in the Munster final we sprang one to two with very little game time.

Maybe that was due to it being our first year back in the top division last year.

But this year the tried and trusted need to take a back seat for the league, play a load of new guys and give them a chance to blood in

PTH2009 · 17-11-2016 07:44PM

JesusRef wrote: »

Maybe that was due to it being our first year back in the top division last year.

But this year the tried and trusted need to take a back seat for the league, play a load of new guys and give them a chance to blood in

yeah but have a tough fixture list and the division has been dog eat dog the past few years and the last thing we need is too be in a relagation playoff
12 Feb- Vs Kilkenny- Nowlan Park
19 Feb- vs Tipperary- Walsh Park
4th Mar- vs Dublin- Croke Park
12th Mar- vs Cork- Walsh Park
26th Mar- vs Clare- Cusack Park Ennis

maybe play the big guns in the first 2 games and if we win those blood a few new players in the final 3 games. Excellent opportunity to get a win in Croke Park (if the match is actually on there)

RichardBzero · 17-11-2016 11:29PM

Heard tonight two possible names who are being considered for the selector position with the senior team. Philip Murphy of roanmore and Anthony Kirwan of mount sion. Could be a bit of hearsay for now but came from a usually accurate source.

Cake Man · 18-11-2016 12:41AM

Could someone tell me which selector has left, is it Fintan or Dan? And why?

Deskjockey · 18-11-2016 12:54AM

Cake Man wrote: »

Could someone tell me which selector has left, is it Fintan or Dan? And why?

Going by previous posts it's Fintan- no?

Edit: Confirmed in the article below.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/austin-gleeson-says-derek-mcgrath-9274941

robopaddy2 · 18-11-2016 01:41AM

Cake Man wrote: »

Could someone tell me which selector has left, is it Fintan or Dan? And why?

The theory from the anti-McGrath brigade on here was that he was shafted so McGrath could shuffle his buddy Dermot Dooley in. I don't know how much truth was in it but it seems to be complete nonsense

mountgomery burns · 18-11-2016 03:09PM

Deskjockey wrote: »

Going by previous posts it's Fintan- no?

Edit: Confirmed in the article below.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/austin-gleeson-says-derek-mcgrath-9274941

Big loss I think, track record speaks for itself.

PTH2009 · 18-11-2016 04:02PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Big loss I think, track record speaks for itself.

Yeah the 2014 selectors (Frank Flannery and Willie Maher) were not working out and fintan came in after that and had 2 great seasons. I wonder is it an in house issue or family/work reasons he resigned ???

It's hard to knw what 2017 will be like for us ??. Don't think myself we will reach the holy grail in 2017 but the chance is very much there with so many other counties suppose to be in transition and Kilkenny not being the force they once were. A Munster title (which could mean a win over AI Tipp) would be brilliant next year

cul beag · 18-11-2016 05:02PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Big loss I think, track record speaks for itself.

Huge loss!!!

hurler on de ditch · 18-11-2016 08:20PM

Cake Man wrote: »

Not really sure what you mean by the above. I get what you're trying to say about a certain amount of players not getting much, if any, game time. In an ideal world, all players would get a run out and everyone would be happy but it just doesn't work like that. Every team in both codes up and down the country has players on the panel that get little to no game time, I don't think it's just specific to Waterford. As I said, it's not ideal lads turning up season after season knowing they probably won't get a look in but what can you do? Going by the post above, the only solution would literally be to cut the panel to 20 players as that way you'll have 15 starters and then (the way the game has gone these days) the 5 subs would be used which ensures everyone gets a game. That's not going to happen as we know as managers obviously need multiple options, cover for nearly every position and competition for places to keep lads on their toes.
A manager will pick his best players and that usually always means the same names, I can't really see what the problem is there. Also, how else do you introduce fresh blood? Surely the most logical way is to give them a few Munster league and "dead rubber league" games. I don't see the point dropping them straight into a Munster or AI championship game (unless of course their hand is forced or the player has shown enough in training that they can come in and do a job).

well said ,its the same at the clubs there is the first fifteen ,then lads that are subs ,and then their are lads who hardly ever get get a run ,but they still turn up for training /matches etc

hurler on de ditch · 18-11-2016 08:26PM

cul beag wrote: »

Huge loss!!!

bar the two Kilkenny games ,i dont think any or either of them would be a great loss ,we played some of the most horrible defensive ****e i have ever seen in my life ,and it was when they had no choice but to play hurling that we might have actually achieved something ,lets not forget all those selectors stood over and coached that ****e for three years ,lets hope we never have to endure it again

tomwaterford · 18-11-2016 10:29PM

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

bar the two Kilkenny games ,i dont think any or either of them would be a great loss ,we played some of the most horrible defensive ****e i have ever seen in my life ,and it was when they had no choice but to play hurling that we might have actually achieved something ,lets not forget all those selectors stood over and coached that ****e for three years ,lets hope we never have to endure it again

I'd like to see waterford step out and go toe to toe with tipp next year

See where their at....munster next year will be mad competitive....as Clare have a massive point to prove....after wasting last two years epically under Davy

Though quick question.....when is waterford championship match....I've a wedding in June....don't want to miss this match eithrr

PTH2009 · 19-11-2016 01:03AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Though quick question.....when is waterford championship match....I've a wedding in June....don't want to miss this match eithrr

Not announced yet but should Sunday 11th/18th June. As PUC will not be ready it may take place in Thurles or Limerick

PTH2009 · 19-11-2016 02:53PM

Radio coverage of the lismore game on WLR fm

PTH2009 · 19-11-2016 04:23PM

Congrats to Lismore

Great achievement from being relegated too intermediate to going straight back up and winning the Munster intermediate title and having a great chance of playing in Croke Park next Feb in the final. They will play the connacht/Galway intermediate champions In the semi final in January.

Possible Carrickshock (Kilkenny) vs Lismore final

One player scored all of Kilmoyleys scores

Giveitfong · 19-11-2016 10:33PM

Lismore 2-14 Kilmoyley 0-13

Lismore captured the Munster intermediate club hurling championship when defeating Kilmoyley with reasonable comfort at Mallow today. The game, watched by an attendance of just over 1,000, was played in dry but bitterly cold conditions on a good pitch for the time of year.

Kilmoyley, the Kerry senior champions, were very much up for the game and at times showed superior commitment, especially in the first half. They were well drilled, had a good first touch and had some good hurlers, especially in the middle third of the field. However, their forwards were unable to make any impression on the Lismore defence with the outstanding exception of their centre forward, Daniel Collins, who, remarkably, got all his side’s scores (seven frees and six points from play). How they could have done with their former attacking star, Shane Brick, who only retired recently.

A lot of credit must go to the Lismore defence for the way they subdued the opposition attack. I was quite impressed with their full back line of Sean Reaney, David Prendergast and Pat Hennessy, who were alert, quick and sharp.

The first half was evenly contested. Kilmoyley created numerous openings which they spoiled with some bad shooting. Lismore created several goal chances but failed to put any of them away, due to a combination of poor finishing and some tenacious defending by Kilmoyley. Lismore were a bit arrogant, I thought, looking for goals when easy points were there for the taking. The score at half time was seven points each.

Lismore must have got a tongue-lashing from manager Dave Barry at half time, as they were a different team in the second half. A quick point was followed by the opening goal, corner forward Peter O’Keeffe latching onto a ball which broke behind the Kilmoyley defence to finish efficiently to the net. Kilmoyley tried their best to get back into the game, but the writing was on the wall for them when Lismore goaled again in the tenth minute, Maurice Shanahan running onto Jack Prendergast’s pass to tip the ball over the Kilmoyley goalkeeper’s head into the net.

Lismore were playing with more confidence now, with Kilmoyley unable to even get a sniff of the goal they desperately needed. The Cathedral Town men were happy to exchange points with their opponents, to close out the game 2-14 to 0-13 ahead.

I thought that Paudie Prendergast at wing back was Lismore’s best player, and oozed class from start to finish. Centre back Ray Barry had his problems with his opposite number Collins, but still hit a lot of good ball over the hour. Maurice Shanahan roared into the game after the change of ends after a quiet first half, and ended up with 1-9, 1-2 from play. Jack Prendergast showed some flashes of this undoubted ability, and John Prendergast put in a good shift in the second half.

Lismore: Seanie Barry; Sean Reaney; David Prendergast; Pat Hennessy; Paudie Prendergast; Ray Barry (0-1); Eoin Bennett; Stevie Barry; John Prendergast; Brendan Landers (0-1); Jack Prendergast (0-1); Maurice Shanahan (1-9, six frees and one 65); Jordan Shanahan; Dan Shanahan (0-1); Peter O’Keeffe (1-0). Brian Bennett and Ronan Landers came on for Jordan Shanahan and Stevie Barry. There were three further substitutions in injury time.

culbaire · 19-11-2016 11:03PM

Giveitfong wrote: »

Lismore 2-14 Kilmoyley 0-13

Lismore captured the Munster intermediate club hurling championship when defeating Kilmoyley with reasonable comfort at Mallow today. The game, watched by an attendance of just over 1,000, was played in dry but bitterly cold conditions on a good pitch for the time of year.

Kilmoyley, the Kerry senior champions, were very much up for the game and at times showed superior commitment, especially in the first half. They were well drilled, had a good first touch and had some good hurlers, especially in the middle third of the field. However, their forwards were unable to make any impression on the Lismore defence with the outstanding exception of their centre forward, Daniel Collins, who, remarkably, got all his side’s scores (seven frees and six points from play). How they could have done with their former attacking star, Shane Brick, who only retired recently.

A lot of credit must go to the Lismore defence for the way they subdued the opposition attack. I was quite impressed with their full back line of Sean Reaney, David Prendergast and Pat Hennessy, who were alert, quick and sharp.

The first half was evenly contested. Kilmoyley created numerous openings which they spoiled with some bad shooting. Lismore created several goal chances but failed to put any of them away, due to a combination of poor finishing and some tenacious defending by Kilmoyley. Lismore were a bit arrogant, I thought, looking for goals when easy points were there for the taking. The score at half time was seven points each.

Lismore must have got a tongue-lashing from manager Dave Barry at half time, as they were a different team in the second half. A quick point was followed by the opening goal, corner forward Peter O’Keeffe latching onto a ball which broke behind the Kilmoyley defence to finish efficiently to the net. Kilmoyley tried their best to get back into the game, but the writing was on the wall for them when Lismore goaled again in the tenth minute, Maurice Shanahan running onto Jack Prendergast’s pass to tip the ball over the Kilmoyley goalkeeper’s head into the net.

Lismore were playing with more confidence now, with Kilmoyley unable to even get a sniff of the goal they desperately needed. The Cathedral Town men were happy to exchange points with their opponents, to close out the game 2-14 to 0-13 ahead.

I thought that Paudie Prendergast at wing back was Lismore’s best player, and oozed class from start to finish. Centre back Ray Barry had his problems with his opposite number Collins, but still hit a lot of good ball over the hour. Maurice Shanahan roared into the game after the change of ends after a quiet first half, and ended up with 1-9, 1-2 from play. Jack Prendergast showed some flashes of this undoubted ability, and John Prendergast put in a good shift in the second half.

Lismore: Seanie Barry; Sean Reaney; David Prendergast; Pat Hennessy; Paudie Prendergast; Ray Barry (0-1); Eoin Bennett; Stevie Barry; John Prendergast; Brendan Landers (0-1); Jack Prendergast (0-1); Maurice Shanahan (1-9, six frees and one 65); Jordan Shanahan; Dan Shanahan (0-1); Peter O’Keeffe (1-0). Brian Bennett and Ronan Landers came on for Jordan Shanahan and Stevie Barry. There were three further substitutions in injury time.

Congrats to Lismore on another great victory. Important to remember that the Lismore club has lost a large number players in recent years. In the last two weeks alone it lost another player through emigration to Australia. Wishing Ballyduff Lower and the Nire success next weekend.

cul beag · 19-11-2016 11:14PM

Giveitfong wrote: »

Lismore 2-14 Kilmoyley 0-13

Lismore captured the Munster intermediate club hurling championship when defeating Kilmoyley with reasonable comfort at Mallow today. The game, watched by an attendance of just over 1,000, was played in dry but bitterly cold conditions on a good pitch for the time of year.

Kilmoyley, the Kerry senior champions, were very much up for the game and at times showed superior commitment, especially in the first half. They were well drilled, had a good first touch and had some good hurlers, especially in the middle third of the field. However, their forwards were unable to make any impression on the Lismore defence with the outstanding exception of their centre forward, Daniel Collins, who, remarkably, got all his side’s scores (seven frees and six points from play). How they could have done with their former attacking star, Shane Brick, who only retired recently.

A lot of credit must go to the Lismore defence for the way they subdued the opposition attack. I was quite impressed with their full back line of Sean Reaney, David Prendergast and Pat Hennessy, who were alert, quick and sharp.

The first half was evenly contested. Kilmoyley created numerous openings which they spoiled with some bad shooting. Lismore created several goal chances but failed to put any of them away, due to a combination of poor finishing and some tenacious defending by Kilmoyley. Lismore were a bit arrogant, I thought, looking for goals when easy points were there for the taking. The score at half time was seven points each.

Lismore must have got a tongue-lashing from manager Dave Barry at half time, as they were a different team in the second half. A quick point was followed by the opening goal, corner forward Peter O’Keeffe latching onto a ball which broke behind the Kilmoyley defence to finish efficiently to the net. Kilmoyley tried their best to get back into the game, but the writing was on the wall for them when Lismore goaled again in the tenth minute, Maurice Shanahan running onto Jack Prendergast’s pass to tip the ball over the Kilmoyley goalkeeper’s head into the net.

Lismore were playing with more confidence now, with Kilmoyley unable to even get a sniff of the goal they desperately needed. The Cathedral Town men were happy to exchange points with their opponents, to close out the game 2-14 to 0-13 ahead.

I thought that Paudie Prendergast at wing back was Lismore’s best player, and oozed class from start to finish. Centre back Ray Barry had his problems with his opposite number Collins, but still hit a lot of good ball over the hour. Maurice Shanahan roared into the game after the change of ends after a quiet first half, and ended up with 1-9, 1-2 from play. Jack Prendergast showed some flashes of this undoubted ability, and John Prendergast put in a good shift in the second half.

Lismore: Seanie Barry; Sean Reaney; David Prendergast; Pat Hennessy; Paudie Prendergast; Ray Barry (0-1); Eoin Bennett; Stevie Barry; John Prendergast; Brendan Landers (0-1); Jack Prendergast (0-1); Maurice Shanahan (1-9, six frees and one 65); Jordan Shanahan; Dan Shanahan (0-1); Peter O’Keeffe (1-0). Brian Bennett and Ronan Landers came on for Jordan Shanahan and Stevie Barry. There were three further substitutions in injury time.

Goals win games and you can't fault a team for going for the juggler. Pity you didn't see that Paudie Prendergast has gone in centre back half way through the second half. Ray Barry and Paudie Prendergast gave an exhibition of hurling today and must be commended on what was a huge success for Lismore

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