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CloughCasey1 · 13-11-2016 09:15PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

€4? They are probably trying to get lads to fill sheds with talk like that.

The vexing thing is that the Journal and their "award winning" journalists would stir ****e like that knowing full well there is a hidden agenda! May as well call it Larrys Journal.

tatoo · 13-11-2016 10:22PM

What's being quoted for next week ?
I rang a fella and he told me 3.65

rangler1 · 13-11-2016 11:13PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

The vexing thing is that the Journal and their "award winning" journalists would stir ****e like that knowing full well there is a hidden agenda! May as well call it Larrys Journal.

And you'd accuse them of talking it down if they didn't tell you what was paid....typical.

dryan · 13-11-2016 11:19PM

tatoo wrote: »

What's being quoted for next week ?
I rang a fella and he told me 3.65

Quoted same here for over 30 month steers.
3:70 for under. Midlands.

CloughCasey1 · 14-11-2016 12:23AM

rangler1 wrote: »

And you'd accuse them of talking it down if they didn't tell you what was paid....typical.

As I say €4 It wasn't available to ordinary farmers, but it was available to a few

Your own words. They are reporting the wealth of a few to the masses!

Bass Reeves · 14-11-2016 12:54AM

Cavanjack wrote: »

€4? They are probably trying to get lads to fill sheds with talk like that.

Any cattle put into shed at present will not be fit for slaughter before Mid/Late January and these will be only the most forward stores. Most cattle put for feeding now will not be finished before late February. Unless lads are blind very little cattle were put in sheds before last week. Cattle being killed over next 2-3 weeks would have to be put in a shed in early September or come fit off grass. Most cattle coming fit off grass are hanging now in general these would have been the last of the April/May 2014 cattle.

For under 30 month cattle you are looking at cattle born from June 2014 so in reality we are looking at late 2014 and early 2015 cattle. There are a certain amount of cattle around that will be 36 months early next year mostly Friesians. The mart I was at last week there was a roaring trade for these cattle that were over 600kgs making up on 1.8/kg big empty plain stores. IMO cattle will be tight for next 10 weeks.

This has been in the pipeline for last 6-8 weeks. Word form millers was no rations/nuts being purchased by lads that feed a few. Yes Larry filled his feedlots and has expanded existing ones but no contracts handed out until last 10 days to 2 weeks. An arrogant procurement manager was supposed to have said in September '' the cattle are there someone will finish them''. Too many finishers with empty pockets and debts since last year. From February on it will not be great but until then if lads have cattle that are finished they may make a twist.

tatoo wrote: »

What's being quoted for next week ?
I rang a fella and he told me 3.65

If I had cattle in a shed I be slow parting with them unless base was hitting 3.9-4/kg. If they are outside I would try to hold as long as possible. I could be wrong but cattle will rise fast kill has dropped 5K in 2-3 weeks even with B/H week that is some drop and it may not stop at that.

rangler1 · 14-11-2016 08:02AM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

As I say €4 It wasn't available to ordinary farmers, but it was available to a few

Your own words. They are reporting the wealth of a few to the masses!

They have to report the facts, guarantee you there'd be some whinger on claiming he got more in the following weeks editions if they didn't.
They haven't said any more than Bass said above....or is he one of larrys' men too/

''Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you''

Muckit · 14-11-2016 12:33PM

Anyone quoted for underage heifers this week?

farawaygrass · 14-11-2016 04:26PM

Muckit wrote: »

Anyone quoted for underage heifers this week?

I'm sending some aax from the suckler herd off Wednesday. 3.75 base. I was trying for 3.80 but when we agreed on 3.75 he said make sure and not tell anyone, as if he was doing me a favour. Maddened me a bit but what can you do. I seem to be always on the lower end of quoted prices. I'm also getting a good Aa bonus of 20cents so that enticed me. Although it will be 16cent next week I think, not a big difference.

Bass Reeves · 14-11-2016 04:34PM

farawaygrass wrote: »

I'm sending some aax from the suckler herd off Wednesday. 3.75 base. I was trying for 3.80 but when we agreed on 3.75 he said make sure and not tell anyone, as if he was doing me a favour. Maddened me a bit but what can you do. I seem to be always on the lower end of quoted prices. I'm also getting a good Aa bonus of 20cents so that enticed me. Although it will be 16cent next week I think, not a big difference.

It is always hard to get a fancy price for AA when extra winter and spring bonus's are in place. In a way it the reason I think aa are over prices normal bonus is 12c/kg I think ona 250kg heifer that is 300 euro and it is 40 euro on a 330kg bullock then they take another 5 euro off that for scheme managment. If your complete load is AA bullocks they tend to stick to lower bases as well.

IMO it is lose on price, lone on weight lose on AA fee lose on purchase first day for a measley bonus on a low weight carcase taht grades O+ and a atendency to over fat.

larthehar · 14-11-2016 04:52PM

Muckit wrote: »

Anyone quoted for underage heifers this week?

3.70 set to rise to 3.75 next week.. that's base +QA and Grades..

Muckit · 14-11-2016 05:07PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

IMO it is lose on price, lose on weight, lose on AA fee, lose on purchase first day for a measly bonus on a low weight carcase that grades O+ and a tendency to over fat.

Jaysus tell us how u really feel!

How much is the fresian bonus again, l can't remember?!

barnaman · 14-11-2016 08:27PM

Rang 2 lads last Wed have 18 R3 bullocks to go; all LMX and both said €3.65

mf240 · 14-11-2016 09:02PM

Muckit wrote: »

Jaysus tell us how u really feel!

How much is the fresian bonus again, l can't remember?!

The bonus with friesans is that the hobby lads don't bid against you for them.

I like aa cattle though I'd prefer white heads.

Bass Reeves · 14-11-2016 09:44PM

Muckit wrote: »

Jaysus tell us how u really feel!

How much is the fresian bonus again, l can't remember?!

No bonus for them but usually I do not have to pay for it either first day

mf240 wrote: »

The bonus with friesans is that the hobby lads don't bid against you for them.

I like aa cattle though I'd prefer white heads.

The other bonus with Friesians is that if you are bidding against Willf.... sorry the lads around the ring they find it harder to offload the expensive ones onto lads that they are buying a few for.

Willfarman · 14-11-2016 10:50PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No bonus for them but usually I do not have to pay for it either first day

The other bonus with Friesians is that if you are bidding against Willf.... sorry the lads around the ring they find it harder to offload the expensive ones onto lads that they are buying a few for.

Ouch...

farawaygrass · 14-11-2016 10:51PM

You are right to be fair. We sold a comrade of this bunch last June, probably the best of them for 1170. It was a bullock. No way will he leave money for the poor farmer that bought him. He was only 16montha at the very most. As I said all ours were suckler bred. And ya, it's hard bargain with agent when there is a good bonus, he kept bringing it up.

Willfarman · 14-11-2016 11:14PM

farawaygrass wrote: »

You are right to be fair. We sold a comrade of this bunch last June, probably the best of them for 1170. It was a bullock. No way will he leave money for the poor farmer that bought him. He was only 16montha at the very most. As I said all ours were suckler bred. And ya, it's hard bargain with agent when there is a good bonus, he kept bringing it up.

You are getting as good a base as I've heard of. 3.70 seems to be fun of it in south east.

farawaygrass · 14-11-2016 11:44PM

Willfarman wrote: »

You are getting as good a base as I've heard of. 3.70 seems to be fun of it in south east.

I am just after reading a farmers journal link on facebook saying cattle getting scarce, and 3.80 to 3.85 is what "they are paying". It also said factories are throwing In sweeteners like free transport to keep base price down and secure cattle. You wouldn't know what to believe. As I said before I can rarely get the higher quoted prices.

barnaman · 15-11-2016 03:31PM

The lads writing for Independent must not read the Journal they have lower prices as the norm in todays paper.

farawaygrass · 15-11-2016 04:22PM

Isn't there so much luck/timing/guesswork involved

Willfarman · 15-11-2016 07:15PM

The journal is inclined to get quotes from the Ifa maybe. Not the best place to look for accurate information.

rangler1 · 15-11-2016 08:12PM

Willfarman wrote: »

The journal is inclined to get quotes from the Ifa maybe. Not the best place to look for accurate information.

Does any farmer tell the truth when it comes to the price of cattle/sheep,
On a trip abroad I was sharing a room with Darren Carty, and on the Tuesday night he spent hours phoning agents and farmers for feedback,....was the information credible, i don't know

CloughCasey1 · 15-11-2016 09:41PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Does any farmer tell the truth when it comes to the price of cattle/sheep,
On a trip abroad I was sharing a room with Darren Carty, and on the Tuesday night he spent hours phoning agents and farmers for feedback,....was the information credible, i don't know

Paranoia will destroy ya Rangler! ☺

Not only do your posts sound that your in bed with them.....now in fact you have proved you are....how cozy.

Bass Reeves · 15-11-2016 09:47PM

barnaman wrote: »

The lads writing for Independent must not read the Journal they have lower prices as the norm in todays paper.

They have but they are still bulliish expecting that prices will rise over the short term. If there is any hold (interruption) in supply we could see prices rise to 4/kg very fast. Not sure what last weeks through put was if if it goes below 30K prices will rise, if it heads for 28K we should be at 4/kg. A kill below that and it is anyone guess what price we will hit.

Willfarman wrote: »

The journal is inclined to get quotes from the Ifa maybe. Not the best place to look for accurate information.

It is not so much that but they tend to be getting prices off larger suppliers with a bit more bargining power than the ordinary lad with 5-19 cattle or a load every few weeks.

rangler1 wrote: »

Does any farmer tell the truth when it comes to the price of cattle/sheep,
On a trip abroad I was sharing a room with Darren Carty, and on the Tuesday night he spent hours phoning agents and farmers for feedback,....was the information credible, i don't know

If you know a lad personelly he will give it to you straight. A good journalist will know who tell it straight and when. He should be able to read between the line. In fairness the Journl is begining to cop on and starting to quote what is available to different suppliers.

What he said last week was that Steers were 3.60/3.65 with most lads securing 3.65/kg and some lads with larger lots securing 3.68/3.7. Heifers were 3.7/3.75 with some suppliers with large lots holding( that would imply that they were not getting it but expecting it early this week) for 3.8/kg

My own opinion is that there are not a lot of inspec cattle out there that are finished. Last year lads filled sheds in September expecting over 4/kg from mid November on but lots of lads did it, (an indian autumn like this year) had loads of cattle coming off grass as well. However this year kill was way stronger in October/November than last year which had a strong kill as well.

Processors know there is 120K more 2015 cattle there than 2014 so they presumed that someone would finish them. But too many lads had sore pockets compared to last year and were not willing to finish without contracts which were not forecomming.

It will not take much for prices to take off Ii what I am posting is right. It is too expensive to finish cattle to be gambling. They need the lad finishing a 10-15/week for the winter but he cannot afford it any longer. The lad that finishers 2-3 pens(20-40) cattle over the winter is browned off as well. All summer long has been tough as well pockets are only so deep and confidence is everything in this game.

CloughCasey1 · 15-11-2016 09:53PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

They have but they are still bulliish expecting that prices will rise over the short term. If there is any hold (interruption) in supply we could see prices rise to 4/kg very fast. Not sure what last weeks through put was if if it goes below 30K prices will rise, if it heads for 28K we should be at 4/kg. A kill below that and it is anyone guess what price we will hit.

It is not so much that but they tend to be getting prices off larger suppliers with a bit more bargining power than the ordinary lad with 5-19 cattle or a load every few weeks.

If you know a lad personelly he will give it to you straight. A good journalist will know who tell it straight and when. He should be able to read between the line. In fairness the Journl is begining to cop on and starting to quote what is available to different suppliers.

What he said last week was that Steers were 3.60/3.65 with most lads securing 3.65/kg and some lads with larger lots securing 3.68/3.7. Heifers were 3.7/3.75 with some suppliers with large lots holding( that would imply that they were not getting it but expecting it early this week) for 3.8/kg

My own opinion is that there are not a lot of inspec cattle out there that are finished. Last year lads filled sheds in September expecting over 4/kg from mid November on but lots of lads did it, (an indian autumn like this year) had loads of cattle coming off grass as well. However this year kill was way stronger in October/November than last year which had a strong kill as well.

Processors know there is 120K more 2015 cattle there than 2014 so they presumed that someone would finish them. But too many lads had sore pockets compared to last year and were not willing to finish without contracts which were not forecomming.

It will not take much for prices to take off Ii what I am posting is right. It is too expensive to finish cattle to be gambling. They need the lad finishing a 10-15/week for the winter but he cannot afford it any longer. The lad that finishers 2-3 pens(20-40) cattle over the winter is browned off as well. All summer long has been tough as well pockets are only so deep and confidence is everything in this game.

Hope you are right Bass. We have a good few nearly ready for road.

rangler1 · 15-11-2016 10:19PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Paranoia will destroy ya Rangler! ☺

Not only do your posts sound that your in bed with them.....now in fact you have proved you are....how cozy.

Junkets,!!!it'd be impolite not to go on them

CHOPS01 · 16-11-2016 02:36PM

What would be the likely live weight of HEx that killed out at 362kg

CloughCasey1 · 16-11-2016 03:00PM

CHOPS01 wrote: »

What would be the likely live weight of HEx that killed out at 362kg

Around 700kg. Did ya send many off?

Muckit · 16-11-2016 03:18PM

Hex what cow bull heifer??? Or did you mean Rex? Poor oul devil was a hoor for the mash. At that weight his paws just gave in

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