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Bass Reeves

limo_100 wrote: »

lads I sold a bullock in may and he was killed in the middle of October just wondering if this man made any money he was 28 months 386 R+2= what was his KO% ??

He did not grade but it was a good weight for 28 months. Killout would have been maybe 53% or a tad less because of FS of 2=. He would have been outside spec so no QA and would have been at least 6c less the base. I am trying to think but was the base at 3.6 by mid October so he might have only got 3.54/kg. At that he would have grossed 1366 euro.

He needed feeding at least 250kgs of ration for 9 weeks before slaughter to get him to FS3= it might have carried him to U- as well. At a guess he have killed 20+kg heavier at a price of 3.84/kg. That would have bought him to 1560 euro. Cost of ration 50-70 euro.

What did he make when you sold him.

Muckit

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Nearest Factory to me is about 12 miles for me to travel to next nearest about 30 miles would cost me 2.5c/kg in transport alone. When you move beyond that to ones 60+ miles and loading night before, between transport and weight loss it is 10c/kg alone to break even.

Interesting. A lad l know always keen to bring cattle in the morning they are killed. It wouldn't suit me, always bring down the night before. It's one of the few benefits of selling direct to factory - not having to take time off the day job. Would most of the weight difference not be gut fill? I wouldnt have thought it would have any affect on carcase weight.

limo_100

Bass Reeves wrote: »

He did not grade but it was a good weight for 28 months. Killout would have been maybe 53% or a tad less because of FS of 2=. He would have been outside spec so no QA and would have been at least 6c less the base. I am trying to think but was the base at 3.6 by mid October so he might have only got 3.54/kg. At that he would have grossed 1366 euro.

He needed feeding at least 250kgs of ration for 9 weeks before slaughter to get him to FS3= it might have carried him to U- as well. At a guess he have killed 20+kg heavier at a price of 3.84/kg. That would have bought him to 1560 euro. Cost of ration 50-70 euro.

What did he make when you sold him.

I surprised he wasn't at at least a U grade as I thought he was an R= at least when I sold him he was a red limousine bullock. When I sold him he was 570kg and I got €1390 I think I got the most profit buy its no good for anyone unless we all can make a profit

Also by the time icbf updated the profile he may well have being killed early October late sept

Muckit

limo_100 wrote: »

I surprised he wasn't at at least a U grade as I thought he was an R= at least when I sold him he was a red limousine bullock. When I sold him he was 570kg and I got €1390 I think I got the most profit buy its no good for anyone unless we all can make a profit

Also by the time icbf updated the profile he may well have being killed early October late sept

He must have been a lad summer grazing a few cattle with no housing. He didn't pamper that bullock with nuts anyhow. He paid over the odds for him the first day. Then he sent him off to factory unfinished when he was in no panic. He got creeled on the double but he'll be back at the ring again next spring!!

Bass Reeves

limo_100 wrote: »

I surprised he wasn't at at least a U grade as I thought he was an R= at least when I sold him he was a red limousine bullock. When I sold him he was 570kg and I got €1390 I think I got the most profit buy its no good for anyone unless we all can make a profit

Also by the time icbf updated the profile he may well have being killed early October late sept

If he was killed 2-3 weeks earlier at a higher base by 10c/kg it was worth the princly sum of 38.60. He would have been about 730kg's at slaughter. The ration at a conversion of 7-1 might have added 35kg to his LW but the K/O migh have increased to 56% in which case he would have killed 425kgs. It is amazing a bit of feeding can do.

limo_100

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If he was killed 2-3 weeks earlier at a higher base by 10c/kg it was worth the princly sum of 38.60. He would have been about 730kg's at slaughter. The ration at a conversion of 7-1 might have added 35kg to his LW but the K/O migh have increased to 56% in which case he would have killed 425kgs. It is amazing a bit of feeding can do.

Its a funny thing I initial reaction when I seen he dead weight, grade and fat score was that bullock had more potential than that when I sold him having said that with the way prices were he was never going to make that man up.

limo_100

Muckit wrote: »

He must have been a lad summer grazing a few cattle with no housing. He didn't pamper that bullock with nuts anyhow. He paid over the odds for him the first day. Then he sent him off to factory unfinished when he was in no panic. He got creeled on the double but he'll be back at the ring again next spring!!

To be honest at the time I sold him that price was about right I would have liked him to go over 1400 that day but he wasn't coming home at the kind of money either. The same lad bought a second one of me that day but the cow is gone so I cant find out. Tbh that man will probably be back out giving big prices again next year But i cant see bullocks making much more than €2-2.10/kg I think the beef is going to be alot worse in the next 12months than were seeing now.

Bass Reeves

Muckit wrote: »

Interesting. A lad l know always keen to bring cattle in the morning they are killed. It wouldn't suit me, always bring down the night before. It's one of the few benefits of selling direct to factory - not having to take time off the day job. Would most of the weight difference not be gut fill? I wouldnt have thought it would have any affect on carcase weight.

No dehydration would be most of the cause. Cattle will sweat a terror on a long journey. Most of this comes from the carcass. Also when cattle travel further they nearly always spend overnight in the factory lairage. However I thing it is the time in the truck that is the killer but saw an article in the FJ earlier this year. A feed lot owner in the UK if cattle are travelling a distance will not load cattle until the morning of the slaughter no matter how far they travel. Cattle that are killed fresh always kill better according to him.

Bass Reeves

Muckit wrote: »

He must have been a lad summer grazing a few cattle with no housing. He didn't pamper that bullock with nuts anyhow. He paid over the odds for him the first day. Then he sent him off to factory unfinished when he was in no panic. He got creeled on the double but he'll be back at the ring again next spring!!

Having said that if he was killed Mid October the lad had him about 150 days and he pit 160kgs on him. Real issue might have been quality of grass as he put on over a kg/day. If he killed 2= FS he must have been fairly bare on cover.

Sheep breeder

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No dehydration would be most of the cause. Cattle will sweat a terror on a long journey. Most of this comes from the carcass. Also when cattle travel further they nearly always spend overnight in the factory lairage. However I thing it is the time in the truck that is the killer but saw an article in the FJ earlier this year. A feed lot owner in the UK if cattle are travelling a distance will not load cattle until the morning of the slaughter no matter how far they travel. Cattle that are killed fresh always kill better according to him.

Agree fresh cattle kill better and set better in the chill, have seen some factories take in cattle for certain orders and kill shortly after arriving on site and in the chill as quick as possible.

limo_100

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Having said that if he was killed Mid October the lad had him about 150 days and he pit 160kgs on him. Real issue might have been quality of grass as he put on over a kg/day. If he killed 2= FS he must have been fairly bare on cover.

Would would you expect a finishing animal to put on over a 150 day grazing?

Bass Reeves

limo_100 wrote: »

Would would you expect a finishing animal to put on over a 150 day grazing?

He did nearly 1.1kgs/day now some is down to breeding of animal but in general from August and with heavy cattle gain from grass lessens. May and June are good months as you have good fresh grass ahead of cattle unless it gets too strong in late June which can carry into July and August. Has a few Herefords here that I bought in early February killed them in September/October.

They came in about 470kgs and they killed about 370kgs DW on average and at a guess were 710kgs LW. So they gained 250 kgs from early February to early October. They went to grass about 15th of March at a guess they gained 20kgs in the shed. So for a grazing season of about 200 days they gained about 220kgs LW. They got about 170kgs of ration on average. I taught they thrived well but they had good grass ahead of them all year.

I expect that a good LM or CH to better that but he need good quality grass. It would depend on his land. So 1.1kgs/day on what looks like grass alone was good going in one way

Danzy

Teagasc predicting 3.50 steer base next year.

Bass Reeves

Danzy wrote: »

Teagasc predicting 3.50 steer base next year.

I think it might be a bit on the optmistic side the way things are going

Danzy

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I think it might be a bit on the optmistic side the way things are going

I wouldn't be surprised, what is your gut thinking.

Bass Reeves

Danzy wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised, what is your gut thinking.

I was optmistic for Christmas and January but kill remaining very strong. Demand is strong but it is easy to sell cheap beef. Now not so sure taught we would be hitting 3.75/3.8 for steers now but a bit off it yet. Next year is going to be very very hard. Unless we hit over 4/kg for Christmas and hold near it for the winter( now unlikly) they will really drop prices from next August on. Hard to see it bottoming out at 3.5/kg next September/October we could be 20-30c/kg below that. But against that cheap beef is easy to sell.

orm0nd

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I was optmistic for Christmas and January but kill remaining very strong. Demand is strong but it is easy to sell cheap beef. Now not so sure taught we would be hitting 3.75/3.8 for steers now but a bit off it yet. Next year is going to be very very hard. Unless we hit over 4/kg for Christmas and hold near it for the winter( now unlikly) they will really drop prices from next August on. Hard to see it bottoming out at 3.5/kg next September/October we could be 20-30c/kg below that. But against that cheap beef is easy to sell.

think you're forgetting 1 very important point

cheap cattle does'nt always mean cheap beef . (same with sheep, grain etc.,)

Never wrestle with pigs

She'll be cow price If she looks like a cow heifer. Heifer price is more cow price is more like €3:30 at the moment.

Bass Reeves

orm0nd wrote: »

think you're forgetting 1 very important point

cheap cattle does'nt always mean cheap beef . (same with sheep, grain etc.,)

No but it cheap for the processors to sell to the supermarkets. They either then take a higher margin or have a sale

Shelleyb

Any update on steer prices this week lads? I have a few Hereford bullocks to kill!

blue5000

Ballpark €3.70 for R grade, are you in hereford prime?

Shelleyb

blue5000 wrote: »

Ballpark €3.70 for R grade, are you in hereford prime?

No the first time to kill cattle. I reared them as calves I have got the q/a sorted out and was hoping to get the Hereford bonus too! I going to try slaney meats tomorrow they are the nearest to me!

CloughCasey1

blue5000 wrote: »

Ballpark €3.70 for R grade, are you in hereford prime?

Agent told me 3.70 for heavy ones we sent this morning but 5c extra avail in places for in spec hex/aax types.

CloughCasey1

Got killout back from what were sent Thursday. Happy out.☺

BR M/D G/F KG COLD
CHX 22/24 U+2= 456
LMX 24/27 U=3+ 430
LMX 24/21 R+4= 384
CHX 24/26 R=3- 417
CHX 24/27 R+2+ 486
LMX 24/22 U+3- 461
LMX 24/9 R=3+ 436
LMX 22/23 U=3- 436
LMX 22/22 R=3+ 429
LMX 30/02 U-3- 366
LMX 24/26 U-2+ 388
LMX 31/5 U=3- 457
CHX 24/27 U= 3- 477
CHX 22/24 U-2+ 391

Robson99

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Got killout back from what were sent Thursday. Happy out.☺

BR M/D G/F KG COLD
CHX 22/24 U+2= 456
LMX 24/27 U=3+ 430
LMX 24/21 R+4= 384
CHX 24/26 R=3- 417
CHX 24/27 R+2+ 486
LMX 24/22 U+3- 461
LMX 24/9 R=3+ 436
LMX 22/23 U=3- 436
LMX 22/22 R=3+ 429
LMX 30/02 U-3- 366
LMX 24/26 U-2+ 388
LMX 31/5 U=3- 457
CHX 24/27 U= 3- 477
CHX 22/24 U-2+ 391

Great weights Cough.
What were you feeding them for the last coupe if months.?
You could have even fed them fir another month

CloughCasey1

Robson99 wrote: »

Great weights Cough.
What were you feeding them for the last coupe if months.?
You could have even fed them fir another month

They were getting 5kg finishing ration. Getting that since start oct. They were finished out so you can imagine the tearing they were at. Could have done till new yr alright but they did fine. My auld b&w's will never see weight like that.

Count Mondego

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

They were getting 5kg finishing ration. Getting that since start oct. They were finished out so you can imagine the tearing they were at. Could have done till new yr alright but they did fine. My auld b&w's will never see weight like that.

What would the ration cost per head, €200?

huey1975

Count Mondego wrote: »

What would the ration cost per head, €200?

70 days at 5kg is 350kg. At €250/1000kg that works out at €87

Muckit

Did you get docked for the one a few days over?

CloughCasey1

Muckit wrote: »

Did you get docked for the one a few days over?

Yup. Lost the qa. The same two would be first to meal morning and evening.