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Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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  • #812
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    I'm not calling you a rapist or a rapist sympathiser.

    Rape culture does not mean every man is a rapist, how does that make any sense, it means that alot of rapes and sexual assaults are happening due to grey issues with consent, and alot of these are not being convicted due to grey areas of sentencing.

    I'm sorry, but you're wrong. See the definition below:
    mzungu wrote: »
    The definition of rape culture and what it entails is a society that "fosters and encourages rape by instructing citizens that it is normal and natural for sexual relations to involve aggressive behavior on the part of males." (Barnet, Sligar & Wang 2016)

    So you ARE accusing ALL men, no wonder they get defensive.

    You are confusing "rape culture" with "promiscuity culture", which DEFINITELY exists. The sooner you accept this, the better for all of us, ESPECIALLY rape victims, whose woes you are just diluting.


  • #813
    ligerdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    To the contrary, and you know that's a lie.

    Women on here have said there's a rape culture, but as usual, it's been shot down.

    Because there isn't one. There are women on here who claim there isn't one too. Do their opinions not matter? Do the opinions of men not matter on the subject?

    You can state all you want, it doesn't mean it's accurate. I could say the moon is made of cheese but it doesn't make it true.


  • #814
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Get off before me. I also call your post total and utter bull****. What of anything important is that contributing?
    That's fine, you won't answer the simple question.


  • #815
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Emmmmm.......yes? :confused:
    So let's say, for example, you had a bag of marijuana.
    Bag... Marijuana... Bag... Marijauna...
    So heroin sack is a good name for it?


  • #816
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Zulu wrote: »
    That's fine, you won't answer the simple question.

    You don't have a problem with other posters doing it, so why are you getting all worked up about me :)

    Bull****


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  • #817
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    So let's say, for example, you had a bag of marijuana.
    Bag... Marijuana... Bag... Marijauna...
    So heroin sack is a good name for it?

    Lack of consent in sex is rape.

    You do grasp this basic concept?


  • #818
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Because there isn't one. There are women on here who claim there isn't one too. Do their opinions not matter? Do the opinions of men not matter on the subject?
    Brainwashed by the patriarchy man... those poor women don't know what they're saying... only militant feminist SJWs do...


  • #819
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    These deluded feminists throwing the rape culture term around are dangerous and should be avoided. To me these are the kind of women that would accuse men of all sorts at the drop of a hat.

    By all means criticise them online but if you know one in your circle avoid like the plague.

    Vile, deluded and dangerous.


  • #820
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Lack of consent in sex is rape.

    You do grasp this basic concept?
    Rape is extremely uncommon and widely condemned.
    Do you have a problem with those simple facts?
    Let me guess, it's time to pretend everything besides rape is rape too, yeah?


  • #821
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    me_right_one wrote: »
    To the "days" and "attitudes" (read VALUES) when people had a healthy respect for sex, as opposed to using it like a drug? To a system which valued faithfullness and fidelity in relationships and where women were treated with dignity and equality instead of being objects?

    Eh, yes, I actually do.

    Even if we arraigned teams of lawyers and weeks of negotiations to form a document of consent to ensure compliance.In the heat of the moment, consent is always going to be a grey area. Especially if alcohol is involved.

    A discussion on consent is welcome. Enforced consent classes being forced upon teens who are nervous enough about their sexual future after being raised by a litany of female teachers in a feminised education system. Totally unacceptable.

    Shrill femininist idiocy will be met with rebellion eventually. Trump is a bellweather for this victim mentality.


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  • #822
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Rape is extremely uncommon and widely condemned.
    Do you have a problem with those simple facts?
    Let me guess, it's time to pretend everything besides rape is rape too, yeah?

    Says who.

    Show me an Irish study that says that rape is extremely uncommon,and that you're not just pulling it out of your ass.


  • #823
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Says who.

    Show me an Irish study that says that rape is extremely uncommon,and that you're not just pulling it out of your ass.

    Its not common.


  • #824
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    py2006 wrote: »
    Its not common.

    Show me the Irish study on rape that says this. Your opinion does not a fact make.


  • #825
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Emmmmm.......yes? :confused:


    I had to go outside, rip off my shirt and roar at the sky for a while before I answered this.

    You can't be ****ing serious?


  • #826
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    FortySeven wrote: »
    I had to go outside, rip off my shirt and roar at the sky for a while before I answered this.

    You can't be ****ing serious?

    Tell me what you disagree with, and we'll discuss it.


  • #827
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Show me the Irish study on rape that says this. Your opinion does not a fact make.

    I don't need to. Common sense and rational thinking makes it obvious.

    You are making the claims, show us the evidence!


  • #828
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Says who.

    Show me an Irish study that says that rape is extremely uncommon,and that you're not just pulling it out of your ass.

    Very hard to get concise numbers but it is low. If you were to ask the first 100 women you meet on the street if they had ever been raped most would say no. I'd imagine a lot of rape survivors were abused as children or by their spouse. It's not something most women will experience.


  • #829
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Says who.

    Show me an Irish study that says that rape is extremely uncommon,and that you're not just pulling it out of your ass.
    Oh, abuse. Very good. Anybody else notice it's the ones who scream the loudest about some group or other being abused who are by far the most likely to come out with this stuff?
    Now, I'm assuming here that any number I come up with, you'll say "that makes it common"?
    In 2014 there were 35 convictions for rape in Ireland.

    Now, since you haven't answered my question: is being felt up in a club the same as forcible penetrative sex?

    EDIT: Glad I caught your abuse before your ninja edit. Repent at leisure eh?


  • #830
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    py2006 wrote: »
    I don't need to. Common sense and rational thinking makes it obvious.

    You are making the claims, show us the evidence!

    You're saying that because you know you are incorrect.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-students-sexual-assault-survey-2580175-Feb2016/


  • #831
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    You're saying that because you know you are incorrect.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-students-sexual-assault-survey-2580175-Feb2016/

    5% say they were raped but there is no context to that.


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  • #832
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Another one.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/95pc-of-rape-claims-never-get-to-court-study-reveals-26308781.html


  • #833
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    You're saying that because you know you are incorrect.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-students-sexual-assault-survey-2580175-Feb2016/
    You're demanding Irish rape conviction figures while dishing out college surveys... who'll notice the difference, eh?


  • #834
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Says who.

    Show me an Irish study that says that rape is extremely uncommon,and that you're not just pulling it out of your ass.

    I doubt there has been a study on whether rape is extremely uncommon.

    Global comparison on this site shows Ireland in 38th place after countries like Sweden, US and other advanced and poor economies.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

    I am going to take a gamble here as the Irish figures appear to be from 2010 (figures have since fallen) that these figures are weighted a little by the clergy scandal so not entirely a female centric figure.


  • #835
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Another one.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/95pc-of-rape-claims-never-get-to-court-study-reveals-26308781.html
    Ah right. Claim = fact.
    I claim I am right and you are wrong. Therefore you have to accept that as a fact.
    Sorry.


  • #836
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    You're saying that because you know you are incorrect.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-students-sexual-assault-survey-2580175-Feb2016/

    So if rape happens it's culturally acceptable.

    I doubt them figures to be honest. I'd blame the feminist rehetoric of late that brainwashes girls into perpetual victimhood. Example, if you regret sex the next morning you were raped ( females only)


  • #837
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    You're demanding Irish rape conviction figures while dishing out college surveys... who'll notice the difference, eh?

    Au contraire. There are other studies on Ireland's conviction rates, which I will supply now.


  • #838
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/ourview/rape-conviction-rate-offers-no-protection-276761.html


  • #839
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    py2006 wrote: »
    So if rape happens it's culturally acceptable.

    I doubt them figures to be honest. I'd blame the feminist rehetoric of late that brainwashes girls into perpetual victimhood. Example, if you regret sex the next morning you were raped ( females only)

    That's a dangerous and frankly frightening comment to make.


  • #840
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/ourview/rape-conviction-rate-offers-no-protection-276761.html
    "Those trials ended with 35 convictions"
    Erm, I'm having deja vu or did somebody just say exactly that when asked what the Irish rape incidence rate was... oh yeah it was me. About 10 minutes ago.


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  • #841
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    From the last study:

    The rate of convictions in 2013 for all of those charged with rape was just 19%, but the rate for those who actually contested the charges was less than 7%.

    Any thoughts on this?


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