The Garda Strike

tayto lover · 03-11-2016 12:57AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

But all of them going on strike together in an organised action is against the law.

Also the have all been given a direct order by the commanding officer to report for duty on Friday.

You have a right to strike.
U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.

EndaHonesty · 03-11-2016 12:57AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The number of people applying has been falling steadily.

The latest saw 5,000 apply for 800 positions.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2016/1005/ireland/more-than-5000-apply-for-garda-trainee-positions-424212.html

The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

As it says in your own link;

"On this occasion, just over 5,000 applications were received, showing a levelling off to a more regular pattern which is in line with campaigns prior to the moratorium on recruitment"

So your analysis would seem incorrect.

EndaHonesty · 03-11-2016 12:59AM

tayto lover wrote: »

You have a right to strike.
U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.

It's an organised action. Against the law.

tayto lover · 03-11-2016 01:01AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

It's an organised action. Against the law.

Could you quote that law?

Nekarsulm · 03-11-2016 01:01AM

tayto lover wrote: »

FFS did you expect them to go out to a car that was no longer there and the number of which you hadn't got or got wrong? Madness and would be a waste of their time.

I photographed the rear of the car. The number-plate was clear. It was a Ford S-Max. The number was registered to a brown Nissan.

Obviously you believe the Gardai should sit in the Station until they are sure the criminal will wait. around, instead of perhaps intercepting a suspicious car.

03-11-2016 01:01AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

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The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

It doesn't say that in the article. That's your opinion, yes?

EndaHonesty · 03-11-2016 01:02AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Could you quote that law?

I'm on a phone so no. I'm sure a clever chap like yourself can find it.

tayto lover · 03-11-2016 01:03AM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I photographed the rear of the car. The number-plate was clear. It was a Ford S-Max. The number was registered to a brown Nissan.

Obviously you believe the Gardai should sit in the Station until they are sure the criminal will wait. around, instead of perhaps intercepting a suspicious car.

If the car was gone why would they go out to where it was?
How do you know they weren't searching for it?

Sierra Oscar · 03-11-2016 01:05AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

As it says in your own link;

"On this occasion, just over 5,000 applications were received, showing a levelling off to a more regular pattern which is in line with campaigns prior to the moratorium on recruitment"

So your analysis would seem incorrect.

The facts:

23,000 applied in 2013
16,700 applied in 2015
5,000 applied in 2016

The numbers applying have been falling drastically. That is an undisputable fact.

You're quoting the Minsiter for Justice. I guess she doesn't have an agenda here? :rolleyes:

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't say that in the article. That's your opinion, yes?

Yes, that's my opinion - but it is also a fact.

It is a fact that far more articles have been written on Garda pay for new entrants so far this year as opposed to the last few years.

tayto lover · 03-11-2016 01:06AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

I'm on a phone so no. I'm sure a clever chap like yourself can find it.

Ha ha some of the stuff you posted tonight couldn't be found anywhere.

Hobby farmer · 03-11-2016 01:06AM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Quite correct. The only Gardai you ever see in rural areas are the odd sporadic checkpoint for road tax. The nearest station that is manned round the clock is 14 miles away.
I had occasion to phone them in early summer about a suspicious car, and was told "The squad car is out somewhere else".

I had walked down to get the number, with the gun under my arm, and it suddenly sped off, out onto the road without looking.

Turned out the car was on false plates.

They never came back. (yet)

I have to laugh, checkpoints are not "for tax" if you drive up without tax yes they will have a word. What about the multitude of other offences/ crimes are detected at checkpoints? You can't hold the guards responsible for lack of manpower

Pickpocket · 03-11-2016 01:07AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

I'm on a phone so no.

Is it a Nokia 3210?

EndaHonesty · 03-11-2016 01:08AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Ha ha some of the stuff you posted tonight couldn't be found anywhere.

Garda Síochána Act, 2005.

It states: “A person is guilty of an offence if he or she induces, or does any act calculated to induce, any member of the Garda Síochána to withhold his or her services or to commit a breach of discipline.”

On summary conviction the maximum sentence is imprisonment for a period up to 12 months and/or a fine up to €3,000.

Conviction of the crime on indictment is punishable by a prison term up to five years and/or a fine up to €50,000.

Nekarsulm · 03-11-2016 01:09AM

The Guard I spoke to said " The squad car is out somewhere else". Obviously on another call.
Wouldn't you think a squad car heading towards the last known location of a suspicious car might intercept it along the route?
Anyway, if they come back, I won't need to bother the Gardai. As, in your own words, that would be "Madness and a waste of time"
Well able to deal with them myself. If I am lucky enough to encounter them.

EndaHonesty · 03-11-2016 01:10AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The facts:

23,000 applied in 2013
16,700 applied in 2015
5,000 applied in 2016

The numbers applying have been falling drastically. That is an undisputable fact.

You're quoting the Minsiter for Justice. I guess she doesn't have an agenda here? :rolleyes:

Yes, that's my opinion - but it is also a fact.

It is a fact that far more articles have been written on Garda pay for new entrants so far this year as opposed to the last few years.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The number of people applying has been falling steadily.

The latest saw 5,000 apply for 800 positions.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2016/1005/ireland/more-than-5000-apply-for-garda-trainee-positions-424212.html

The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

As it says in your own link;

"On this occasion, just over 5,000 applications were received, showing a levelling off to a more regular pattern which is in line with campaigns prior to the moratorium on recruitment"

So your analysis would seem incorrect. It's simply reverting to the norm.

cursai · 03-11-2016 01:10AM

Hobby farmer wrote: »

I have to laugh, checkpoints are not "for tax" if you drive up without tax yes they will have a word. What about the multitude of other offences/ crimes are detected at checkpoints? You can't hold the guards responsible for lack of manpower

Oh but people will. Its the Garda's fault he
hasn't more colleagues, equipment or time.
Why can't he multiply?

Sierra Oscar · 03-11-2016 01:11AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

As it says in your own link;

"On this occasion, just over 5,000 applications were received, showing a levelling off to a more regular pattern which is in line with campaigns prior to the moratorium on recruitment"

So your analysis would seem incorrect.

You are quoting the Minister for Justice, who so happens to be pushing against the Garda pay demands.

Hobby farmer · 03-11-2016 01:13AM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I photographed the rear of the car. The number-plate was clear. It was a Ford S-Max. The number was registered to a brown Nissan.

Obviously you believe the Gardai should sit in the Station until they are sure the criminal will wait. around, instead of perhaps intercepting a suspicious car.

Obviously you think they should follow you so they are exactly where you need them and when! It can be a case of one car patrolling a huge geographic area at times. Perhaps the other call they were at was important

Little CuChulainn · 03-11-2016 01:13AM

Hobby farmer wrote: »

I have to laugh, checkpoints are not "for tax" if you drive up without tax yes they will have a word. What about the multitude of other offences/ crimes are detected at checkpoints? You can't hold the guards responsible for lack of manpower

I'm in the job ten years and I've never known anyone to set up a checkpoint for tax. People just like to think that for whatever reason.

EndaHonesty · 03-11-2016 01:15AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

You are quoting the Minister for Justice, who so happens to be pushing against the Garda pay demands.

And your opinion is more valid because..?

Ginger83 · 03-11-2016 01:15AM

cursai wrote: »

Oh but people will. Its the Garda's fault he
hasn't more colleagues, equipment or time.
Why can't he multiply?

No but its comical they were 2 a penny when it came to water protestors

03-11-2016 01:15AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The facts:

23,000 applied in 2013
16,700 applied in 2015
5,000 applied in 2016

The numbers applying have been falling drastically. That is an undisputable fact.

Yes, that's my opinion - but it is also a fact.

It is a fact that far more articles have been written on Garda pay for new entrants so far this year as opposed to the last few years.

Great. It's also coincides with Irelands GDP and GNP % increases- so economy is growing, so naturally enough, lower paid jobs will have less demand.

oppenheimer1 · 03-11-2016 01:18AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

Yes and Gardai get paid more money than London Police.

Do you think Gardai should get paid more money AND also get allowances?

Gardai here get paid enough already.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The number of people applying has been falling steadily.

The latest saw 5,000 apply for 800 positions.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2016/1005/ireland/more-than-5000-apply-for-garda-trainee-positions-424212.html

The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

Thats a bit of a leap, to be honest. Correlation does not imply causation. The drop in applicants also coincided with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie breaking up - perhaps that had something to do with it.

Just because you want to make the link between the two doesn't make it true. Its doubtful that what you see as low pay levels had anything to do with the numbers applying as all applicants would have had the pay scales available to them before applying, even back when conditions were worse and applicant numbers were higher.

Would it be not more reasonable to assume the fall off could be attributed to the short window for applying. Or perhaps because unemployment is half of what it was in 2013?

Ginger83 · 03-11-2016 01:18AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'm in the job ten years and I've never known anyone to set up a checkpoint for tax. People just like to think that for whatever reason.

Regardless what the checkpoints are set up for they dont seem to exist anymore.

Sierra Oscar · 03-11-2016 01:21AM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Thats a bit of a leap, to be honest. Correlation does not imply causation. The drop in applicants also coincided with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie breaking up - perhaps that had something to do with it.

Just because you want to make the link between the two, and its doubtful that what you see as low pay levels had anything to do with the numbers applying as all applicants would have had the pay scales available to them before applying, even back when conditions were worse.

Would it be not more reasonable to assume the fall off could be attributed to the short window for applying. Or perhaps because unemployment is half of what it was in 2013?

That's not true for the people that applied in the 2013 campaign. The figures circulated in the candidates guide for applicants did not tally with the actual pay, as outlined during the 1st day of induction in Templemore.

Hobby farmer · 03-11-2016 01:22AM

Ginger83 wrote: »

No but its comical they were 2 a penny when it came to water protestors

Ah yes the water protesters! Or was it the rent a crowd wasters that turned up to every protest or installation they could find. Who attacked men installing the meters? The Gardai have a duty to protect people who are doing a job. Just because some jackass is roaring "peaceful protest" doesn't make it so. I marched in my town against water charges. It was a great day and the Gardai didn't have to lift a finger and engaged with the people there.

Green Peter · 03-11-2016 01:23AM

EndaHonesty wrote:

I'm on a phone so no. I'm sure a clever chap like yourself can find it.

Honestly enda?

Hobby farmer · 03-11-2016 01:23AM

Ginger83 wrote: »

Regardless what the checkpoints are set up for they dont seem to exist anymore.

And whose fault is that?

oppenheimer1 · 03-11-2016 01:30AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

That's not true for the people that applied in the 2013 campaign. The figures circulated in the candidates guide for applicants did not tally with the actual pay, as outlined during the 1st day of induction in Templemore.

I wasn't there in Templemore in 2013 so I cant say whether the scales quoted in the information to candidates was accurate or not. I doubt there was a gross error and I doubt any of the trainees walked out when the true scales were revealed to them.

I'm sure the book was corrected for 2015 - so candidates were informed of wages and still applied, so your argument is bogus.

Ginger83 · 03-11-2016 01:33AM

Hobby farmer wrote: »

And whose fault is that?

I'm merely stating gardai don't exist anymore in rural Ireland. They can be made available for "certain" situations.

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