The Garda Strike

EndaHonesty wrote: »

But all of them going on strike together in an organised action is against the law.

Also the have all been given a direct order by the commanding officer to report for duty on Friday.

You have a right to strike.
U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The number of people applying has been falling steadily.

The latest saw 5,000 apply for 800 positions.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2016/1005/ireland/more-than-5000-apply-for-garda-trainee-positions-424212.html

The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

As it says in your own link;

"On this occasion, just over 5,000 applications were received, showing a levelling off to a more regular pattern which is in line with campaigns prior to the moratorium on recruitment"

So your analysis would seem incorrect.

tayto lover wrote: »

You have a right to strike.
U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.

It's an organised action. Against the law.

EndaHonesty wrote: »

It's an organised action. Against the law.

Could you quote that law?

Nekarsulm

tayto lover wrote: »

FFS did you expect them to go out to a car that was no longer there and the number of which you hadn't got or got wrong? Madness and would be a waste of their time.

I photographed the rear of the car. The number-plate was clear. It was a Ford S-Max. The number was registered to a brown Nissan.

Obviously you believe the Gardai should sit in the Station until they are sure the criminal will wait. around, instead of perhaps intercepting a suspicious car.

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Sierra Oscar wrote: »

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The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

It doesn't say that in the article. That's your opinion, yes?

tayto lover wrote: »

Could you quote that law?

I'm on a phone so no. I'm sure a clever chap like yourself can find it.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I photographed the rear of the car. The number-plate was clear. It was a Ford S-Max. The number was registered to a brown Nissan.

Obviously you believe the Gardai should sit in the Station until they are sure the criminal will wait. around, instead of perhaps intercepting a suspicious car.

If the car was gone why would they go out to where it was?
How do you know they weren't searching for it?

Sierra Oscar

EndaHonesty wrote: »

As it says in your own link;

"On this occasion, just over 5,000 applications were received, showing a levelling off to a more regular pattern which is in line with campaigns prior to the moratorium on recruitment"

So your analysis would seem incorrect.

The facts:

23,000 applied in 2013
16,700 applied in 2015
5,000 applied in 2016

The numbers applying have been falling drastically. That is an undisputable fact.

You're quoting the Minsiter for Justice. I guess she doesn't have an agenda here? :rolleyes:

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't say that in the article. That's your opinion, yes?

Yes, that's my opinion - but it is also a fact.

It is a fact that far more articles have been written on Garda pay for new entrants so far this year as opposed to the last few years.

EndaHonesty wrote: »

I'm on a phone so no. I'm sure a clever chap like yourself can find it.

Ha ha some of the stuff you posted tonight couldn't be found anywhere.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Quite correct. The only Gardai you ever see in rural areas are the odd sporadic checkpoint for road tax. The nearest station that is manned round the clock is 14 miles away.
I had occasion to phone them in early summer about a suspicious car, and was told "The squad car is out somewhere else".

I had walked down to get the number, with the gun under my arm, and it suddenly sped off, out onto the road without looking.

Turned out the car was on false plates.

They never came back. (yet)

I have to laugh, checkpoints are not "for tax" if you drive up without tax yes they will have a word. What about the multitude of other offences/ crimes are detected at checkpoints? You can't hold the guards responsible for lack of manpower

Pickpocket

EndaHonesty wrote: »

I'm on a phone so no.

Is it a Nokia 3210?

tayto lover wrote: »

Ha ha some of the stuff you posted tonight couldn't be found anywhere.

Garda Síochána Act, 2005.

It states: “A person is guilty of an offence if he or she induces, or does any act calculated to induce, any member of the Garda Síochána to withhold his or her services or to commit a breach of discipline.”

On summary conviction the maximum sentence is imprisonment for a period up to 12 months and/or a fine up to €3,000.

Conviction of the crime on indictment is punishable by a prison term up to five years and/or a fine up to €50,000.

Nekarsulm

The Guard I spoke to said " The squad car is out somewhere else". Obviously on another call.
Wouldn't you think a squad car heading towards the last known location of a suspicious car might intercept it along the route?
Anyway, if they come back, I won't need to bother the Gardai. As, in your own words, that would be "Madness and a waste of time"
Well able to deal with them myself. If I am lucky enough to encounter them.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The facts:

23,000 applied in 2013
16,700 applied in 2015
5,000 applied in 2016

The numbers applying have been falling drastically. That is an undisputable fact.

You're quoting the Minsiter for Justice. I guess she doesn't have an agenda here? :rolleyes:

Yes, that's my opinion - but it is also a fact.

It is a fact that far more articles have been written on Garda pay for new entrants so far this year as opposed to the last few years.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The number of people applying has been falling steadily.

The latest saw 5,000 apply for 800 positions.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2016/1005/ireland/more-than-5000-apply-for-garda-trainee-positions-424212.html

The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

cursai

Hobby farmer wrote: »

I have to laugh, checkpoints are not "for tax" if you drive up without tax yes they will have a word. What about the multitude of other offences/ crimes are detected at checkpoints? You can't hold the guards responsible for lack of manpower

Oh but people will. Its the Garda's fault he
hasn't more colleagues, equipment or time.
Why can't he multiply?

Sierra Oscar

EndaHonesty wrote: »

As it says in your own link;

"On this occasion, just over 5,000 applications were received, showing a levelling off to a more regular pattern which is in line with campaigns prior to the moratorium on recruitment"

So your analysis would seem incorrect.

You are quoting the Minister for Justice, who so happens to be pushing against the Garda pay demands.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I photographed the rear of the car. The number-plate was clear. It was a Ford S-Max. The number was registered to a brown Nissan.

Obviously you believe the Gardai should sit in the Station until they are sure the criminal will wait. around, instead of perhaps intercepting a suspicious car.

Obviously you think they should follow you so they are exactly where you need them and when! It can be a case of one car patrolling a huge geographic area at times. Perhaps the other call they were at was important

Little CuChulainn

Hobby farmer wrote: »

I have to laugh, checkpoints are not "for tax" if you drive up without tax yes they will have a word. What about the multitude of other offences/ crimes are detected at checkpoints? You can't hold the guards responsible for lack of manpower

I'm in the job ten years and I've never known anyone to set up a checkpoint for tax. People just like to think that for whatever reason.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

You are quoting the Minister for Justice, who so happens to be pushing against the Garda pay demands.

And your opinion is more valid because..?

Ginger83

cursai wrote: »

Oh but people will. Its the Garda's fault he
hasn't more colleagues, equipment or time.
Why can't he multiply?

No but its comical they were 2 a penny when it came to water protestors

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Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The facts:

23,000 applied in 2013
16,700 applied in 2015
5,000 applied in 2016

The numbers applying have been falling drastically. That is an undisputable fact.

Yes, that's my opinion - but it is also a fact.

It is a fact that far more articles have been written on Garda pay for new entrants so far this year as opposed to the last few years.

Great. It's also coincides with Irelands GDP and GNP % increases- so economy is growing, so naturally enough, lower paid jobs will have less demand.

oppenheimer1

EndaHonesty wrote: »

Yes and Gardai get paid more money than London Police.

Do you think Gardai should get paid more money AND also get allowances?

Gardai here get paid enough already.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The number of people applying has been falling steadily.

The latest saw 5,000 apply for 800 positions.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2016/1005/ireland/more-than-5000-apply-for-garda-trainee-positions-424212.html

The drop coincided with greater public awareness of the poor pay for new entrant Gardai.

Thats a bit of a leap, to be honest. Correlation does not imply causation. The drop in applicants also coincided with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie breaking up - perhaps that had something to do with it.

Just because you want to make the link between the two doesn't make it true. Its doubtful that what you see as low pay levels had anything to do with the numbers applying as all applicants would have had the pay scales available to them before applying, even back when conditions were worse and applicant numbers were higher.

Would it be not more reasonable to assume the fall off could be attributed to the short window for applying. Or perhaps because unemployment is half of what it was in 2013?

Ginger83

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'm in the job ten years and I've never known anyone to set up a checkpoint for tax. People just like to think that for whatever reason.

Regardless what the checkpoints are set up for they dont seem to exist anymore.

Sierra Oscar

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Thats a bit of a leap, to be honest. Correlation does not imply causation. The drop in applicants also coincided with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie breaking up - perhaps that had something to do with it.

Just because you want to make the link between the two, and its doubtful that what you see as low pay levels had anything to do with the numbers applying as all applicants would have had the pay scales available to them before applying, even back when conditions were worse.

Would it be not more reasonable to assume the fall off could be attributed to the short window for applying. Or perhaps because unemployment is half of what it was in 2013?

That's not true for the people that applied in the 2013 campaign. The figures circulated in the candidates guide for applicants did not tally with the actual pay, as outlined during the 1st day of induction in Templemore.

Ginger83 wrote: »

No but its comical they were 2 a penny when it came to water protestors

Ah yes the water protesters! Or was it the rent a crowd wasters that turned up to every protest or installation they could find. Who attacked men installing the meters? The Gardai have a duty to protect people who are doing a job. Just because some jackass is roaring "peaceful protest" doesn't make it so. I marched in my town against water charges. It was a great day and the Gardai didn't have to lift a finger and engaged with the people there.

Green Peter

EndaHonesty wrote:

I'm on a phone so no. I'm sure a clever chap like yourself can find it.

Honestly enda?