Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

Muff Richardson · 03-10-2016 07:40PM

PressRun wrote: »

Almost as good as contributions from people outside the county who seem to think they know what's going on in the Mayo dressing room.

massive country alright, different language spoken over that side, hope to visit that province some time, maybe in retirement i will get there and see their people.

2 managers ousted by players, inconsistent performances, bizarre selection...it's pure rumours and conspiracy theory stuff alright, because i'm from dublin.

PressRun · 03-10-2016 08:32PM

Muff Richardson wrote: »

it's pure rumours and conspiracy theory stuff alright,

You got one thing right.

jacool · 03-10-2016 08:36PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

I honestly don't know. My mind was away with the fairies, the ones that reside on Jones Rd. I can't remember an iota of what we spoke about. Luckily, it was just the intial 'getting to know you' meet and greet initial interview, which I can usually bs my way thru fairly handily. Won't know for another couple of weeks if I get called back for the more rigourous second half of the process, where I'd have to do a presentation. I'm thinking of doing it on "Insidious media campaigns against Mayo half backs and, their place in the modern world." Any ideas where I'd be able to find some research on that? :rolleyes:

Go to the official Dublin GAA Twitter account and read the tweet they posted when Lee Keegan got black carded! That would be an interesting starting point, because apparently what happened in the build up wasn't instigated by the Dubs but was just a lot of coincidence.:cool:

BonnieSituation · 03-10-2016 08:48PM

jacool wrote: »

Go to the official Dublin GAA Twitter account and read the tweet they posted when Lee Keegan got black carded! That would be an interesting starting point, because apparently what happened in the build up wasn't instigated by the Dubs but was just a lot of coincidence.:cool:

The one they retracted and apologised for?

Is that what lost Mayo the All Ireland now?

jacool · 03-10-2016 09:03PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The one they retracted and apologised for?

Is that what lost Mayo the All Ireland now?

Em, no.
The poster I replied to said that he/she might do a presentation about "Insidious media campaigns against Mayo half backs and, their place in the modern world." If you look through the thread you will see it.
He/she has neither retracted it or apologised because he/she doesn't have to, so its still there.
I was offering them a first slide, if you will.

Wondering how you leaped to your amazing conclusion.

ProudDUB · 03-10-2016 09:34PM

The whole concentrated media campaign thing is hilarious. Former Dublin players getting it in the neck for daring to suggest that Lee Keegan is doing something that the lad himself has already admitted to doing? :eek: :eek: :eek:

I mean seriously like.... Only in Ireland. Only in the GAA ! :rolleyes:

Muff Richardson wrote: »

the only person singled out in fairness and rightly so is Rochford for putting him on in the first place, but there's also serious questions on who is running the show in that camp. i hear ye to a certain degree and maybe i'm a bit long in the tooth for it but spilling your heart with that muck on social media does my head in, particularly for a player at the highest level.

Boards.ie is social media too. If you are on social media yourself, sharing your thoughts and feelings with the world, it a bit ironic to be criticizing players for doing the same thing you are. You just have the luxury of anonymity & the security of knowing that the national media won't be picking up on your every word. Rob Hennelly doesn't.

JRant · 03-10-2016 09:35PM

Was great rocking into work this morning. For some reason our place has a serious quota of the green and red in it. Fair dues to the lot of them as they were the first up to congratulate on the win. Just goes to show the disconnect between online and IRL.

Everyone agreed the black card is a bit of a mess but noone blame it on losing the game. Most felt that although it was a close game Mayo never really looked like winning and watching it back this evening they were right.

The much vaunted attack get most of the credit but our defence on Saturday was immense. One on one they are damn near unbeatable and the effort they put in for each other is a joy to behold.

While we no doubt need a bit of fresh blood in the league, the experience those young backs got in this campaign will stand to us for many years to come.

JRant · 03-10-2016 09:43PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

The whole concentrated media campaign thing is hilarious. Former Dublin players getting it in the neck for daring to suggest that Lee Keegan is doing something that the lad himself has already admitted to doing? :eek: :eek: :eek:

I mean seriously like.... Only in Ireland. Only in the GAA ! :rolleyes:

Boards.ie is social media too. If you are on social media yourself, sharing your thoughts and feelings with the world, it a bit ironic to be criticizing players for doing it the same thing that you are. You just have the luxury of anonymity & the security of knowing that the national media won't be picking on your every word. Rob Hennelly doesn't.

Here's my gripe with Keegan. He has all the tools, top class defender and quality at going forward but far too often he gets involved in nonsense. If he concentrated on his positves and cut the messing out he would be a far better player for it. But he just can't seem to help himself, pulling dragging, shoving, sledging and general acting the ginnet.

Maybe him getting the line on Saturday might make him reevaluate his priorities on the pitch. Then again maybe it won't

Nonevernomore · 03-10-2016 10:17PM

Has anyone mentioned the money yet?

Gael85 · 03-10-2016 11:05PM

Nonevernomore wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned the money yet?

??

Nonevernomore · 03-10-2016 11:08PM

The reason Dublin have won 4 out of the last 6 All Ireland's!

BonnieSituation · 03-10-2016 11:16PM

jacool wrote: »

Em, no.
The poster I replied to said that he/she might do a presentation about "Insidious media campaigns against Mayo half backs and, their place in the modern world." If you look through the thread you will see it.
He/she has neither retracted it or apologised because he/she doesn't have to, so its still there.
I was offering them a first slide, if you will.

Wondering how you leaped to your amazing conclusion.

Because I read your post. That's how.

Quite frankly there is been so much shoite written about us winning that another little moan isn't going to get me searching for the context.

I mean, who are you bai?

Bonniedog · 03-10-2016 11:17PM

Nonevernomore wrote: »

The reason Dublin have won 4 out of the last 6 All Ireland's!

Are you Jerry Kiernan, the Kerryman who finished 345th in the marathon and hates the "gah" because they don't give u money?

Jaysus I think u are

Nonevernomore · 03-10-2016 11:21PM

What?

Is it not all a bit embarrassing for Dublin really? They had to have a replay to beat an amateur team!

Gael85 · 03-10-2016 11:21PM

Nonevernomore wrote: »

The reason Dublin have won 4 out of the last 6 All Ireland's!

Welcome back biloxi blues or is it skywanderer? ðŸ˜‚

Nonevernomore · 03-10-2016 11:22PM

What you talking about 85?

Bonniedog · 03-10-2016 11:31PM

We should definitely give all sporting money funds to boxers who bet against themselves, the 12 people in the country who row, funny walkers and lads who I'd nearly fkn beat in a marathon.

Way to go :-)

Nonevernomore · 03-10-2016 11:32PM

Or how about spreading it amongst all GAA counties instead of letting Dublin buy All Ireland's?

ProudDUB · 03-10-2016 11:43PM

Or how we all just ignore a brand new poster that only regisered a couple of days ago and is immediately in here to stir up a row? I smell a rat.

Nonevernomore · 03-10-2016 11:46PM

Dublin have won 4 out of 6 All Ireland's because of the money. You know, I know it, everyone knows it.

DoctaDee · 03-10-2016 11:46PM

Nonevernomore wrote: »

What?

Is it not all a bit embarrassing for Dublin really? They had to have a replay to beat an amateur team!

Howya and welcome to Boards and particularly the GAA Forum. I can see you've been busy in the 2 hours you've been registered.

Oh sorry I'm a moderator, it's sort of like a school teacher without the long summer holiday, I'd be fairly easy going but sometimes we need to keep things in check. We do have rules about acceptable posting, called a charter it's stickied on the main page.

Do me a favour and have a read of it and see if the piece on trolling resonates with you. After reading it and continuing to post in the manner you've done so far will result in a ban .. that's like being expelled. Thanks

Nonevernomore · 03-10-2016 11:49PM

How are ya mod? I don't think pointing out facts is trolling but I've made my point. The Dubs can try to ignore that fact if they want.

ProudDUB · 04-10-2016 12:14AM

copacetic wrote: »

Great day on Saturday, disastrous timing for us as we had something in that day that couldn't be moved so only arrived a minute after thrown in, having timed it to get there as late as possible, missing traffic but not missing much of game. Then straight back to event after presentation. Agreed on auld triangle, weird choice, but they went though a few options I guess.

After a tough enough year playing purely for the win and not putting teams away I wonder will Jim feel that taking the points, playing conservatively 'worked' or did it nearly lose it for us. Kilkenny turning back when he could have put game away in first game and Mick Fitz deciding not to fist or tap over point on Saturday looked like we were getting too 'safe' to me.

Kilkenny though showed his class toward end on Saturday, he is clearly planning to the system and sticks to exactly what he is told. McCauley had some game after coming on, at the game I was absolutely sure his lack of tracking back was going to cost us and wondered where his legs were. Watching back it's clear he made more of a difference that Costello, bouncing Mayo players around like s wrecking ball and creating all 4 chances?

I see some chat that the team is past their best based on this year, I don't see it like that at all. They played a careful system and drifted into a fear based game a lot, slightly less so in the final.

I see McCarthy in midfield next year, Small and McCaffrey at half back. O'Sullivan at sweeper again (looked a little caught for pace in Saturday when caught further from goal which was a surprise) Byrne/Fitz, Cooper and Philly.

Brogan, Flynn, Connolly rested for first half of league, O'Gara given a chance to offer the big man option up front. Costelo, mannion, mchugh, o'callaghan to be given proper runs in team. Daly, devereux, basquille, lownes etc making plenty of league appearances.

Bastick has the fitness to go another year and do a job when required, but may decide another year of hard work to warm the bench isn't worth it. McCauley rests for a lot of league, but they need to watch his weight, Rory may/may not be back, could do with him for height alone. Clucko needs some class of a rest and we do need to be checking out options again, whether it's Savage or not...

All in all, is think we are in better shape for next year assuming McCarthy stays fit, Flynn gets over whatever injury he is carrying and we play to this strengths just a little bit more and release Kilkenny to get forward more. Small allowed to grow into the getting forward role he showed glimpses off all year.

The risks are around midfield, keeper and bigger man at the back I guess.

That's a great post. God knows, I'm the last person to question Jim Gavin judgement, but I really don't get where he was coming from, in deciding to use Kilkenny the way that he did, in such a conserative way. I get that with Rory being gone & two rookie backs replacing him and Jack Flash, Philly and James Mc had to stay at home and mind the house more. No problem with their curtialing their bombing runs forward. So that definitley played a role there. Jack being gone deprived us of so many attacking chances and so much momentum. Malachy Clerkin (I think) did a great statistical breakdown of just how important a role he played in all the goals we scored last year. Going into the AI final, it made for some pretty scary reading. So I get why we are missing the fireworks he played such a big role in producing.

So given how much we were missing in attack, why curtial our ability to put scores on the board even more, by all that slow, lateral handpassing, especially from Kilkenny? Where were all the fabulous kick passes from Dermo, Flynner and Fenton into the full forward line, that resulted in so many scores last year? Where were all the off the shoulder runs? Our speed and pace has been our greatest asset these past couple of years, so slowing the game down to the snails pace that CK slows it down to, just hands our opponents an advantage that they didn't have to begin with. That's nuts imo.

I really hope we do away with it next year. On Sunday, we looked petrifed to kick a point (before BB and CC came on) and that's just not the Dublin way. Taking your time to move the ball and being patient is all well and good, when you are facing a 13 man blanket. I can also see its merits considering how much more defensive Kerry and Mayo are these days, but Jesus, it was hard to watch at times, on Saturday. The Mick Fitz hesitancy when he was clear in front of goal, without a sinner around him, was symtomatic of the rot. Hopefully next year, we get our pep back in our step.

Poor_old_gill · 04-10-2016 07:42AM

Well done folks- was 2 phenomenally tough finals but you pulled through in the end.
A lot being made about what Mayo did to lose and not enough on what Dublin did to win- Cluxton was the winning of the game and was superb in getting attacks going in the second half.

See you next year- from a Kerry fan!

happycoach · 04-10-2016 07:47AM

Well done guys. Top class team!

CurryFlavoured · 04-10-2016 09:50AM

JRant wrote: »

Here's my gripe with Keegan. He has all the tools, top class defender and quality at going forward but far too often he gets involved in nonsense. If he concentrated on his positves and cut the messing out he would be a far better player for it. But he just can't seem to help himself, pulling dragging, shoving, sledging and general acting the ginnet.

Maybe him getting the line on Saturday might make him reevaluate his priorities on the pitch. Then again maybe it won't

Honestly I don't think Keegan is as bad as they make out, and I think that all great defenders need a bit of a nasty streak in them anyway. Fabulous player who I'd take in our team in the blink of an eye.

Tombo2001 · 04-10-2016 11:11AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

We should definitely give all sporting money funds to boxers who bet against themselves, the 12 people in the country who row, funny walkers and lads who I'd nearly fkn beat in a marathon.

Way to go :-)

Jerry Kiernan was 9th in an Olympic marathon. As a runner myself, I know what an incredible achievement that is.

I have huge respect for the guy, as an athlete and also as a coach who has trained Ciara Mageean to be one of the Top 3 in 1500m in Europe.

As for 'funny walkers' - there is an article in Irish Runner last month that does a day in the life of Rob Heffernan. I would like to see any Irish GAA player that trains harder than that guy. He's won an World Championship gold medal and an Olympics bronze for Ireland, and that deserves huge respect also.

Tomas O'Se had an article at the weekend going on about GAA players, and how much they train, and saying its comparable to what our Olympic athletes do. And he might be right.

And then he finishes up by saying 'how these players are considered amateur is beyond me'....

He obviously doesn't know much about our Olympic athletes if he thinks they are rolling in Cash.

Thomas Barr has just come from a fourth place in an Olympic Sprint event. He's never received a grant as far as I know. The likes of Fionnuala or Derval were looking at normally €20k grants over their career. Out of that they are paying for physio, track use, nutrition, travel, equipment....

Compare that to the Dublin GAA team, budget €2mn. That's €60k per player - spent on exactly the same things - physio, equipment, coaching, travel......but just more of it and better. And on top of that, there is a spnsorhip piece, Toyota, etc.

Very few elite sports people earn anything from the sport, especially not those living in Ireland. Michael Carruth ended up selling insurance door to door. GAA players are looked after extremely well, this stuff about them being amateurs gets on my wick no end.

Dyr · 04-10-2016 11:19AM

Some olympic level whinging there

Godge · 04-10-2016 11:38AM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Jerry Kiernan was 9th in an Olympic marathon. As a runner myself, I know what an incredible achievement that is.

I have huge respect for the guy, as an athlete and also as a coach who has trained Ciara Mageean to be one of the Top 3 in 1500m in Europe.

As for 'funny walkers' - there is an article in Irish Runner last month that does a day in the life of Rob Heffernan. I would like to see any Irish GAA player that trains harder than that guy. He's won an World Championship gold medal and an Olympics bronze for Ireland, and that deserves huge respect also.

Tomas O'Se had an article at the weekend going on about GAA players, and how much they train, and saying its comparable to what our Olympic athletes do. And he might be right.

And then he finishes up by saying 'how these players are considered amateur is beyond me'....

He obviously doesn't know much about our Olympic athletes if he thinks they are rolling in Cash.

Thomas Barr has just come from a fourth place in an Olympic Sprint event. He's never received a grant as far as I know. The likes of Fionnuala or Derval were looking at normally €20k grants over their career. Out of that they are paying for physio, track use, nutrition, travel, equipment....

Compare that to the Dublin GAA team, budget €2mn. That's €60k per player - spent on exactly the same things - physio, equipment, coaching, travel......but just more of it and better. And on top of that, there is a spnsorhip piece, Toyota, etc.

Very few elite sports people earn anything from the sport, especially not those living in Ireland. Michael Carruth ended up selling insurance door to door. GAA players are looked after extremely well, this stuff about them being amateurs gets on my wick no end.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html

Except that it wasn't €2m, it was €1.57m in 2015, and that didn't cover 33 players, it covered the senior hurling and football teams, the U-21s and minors as well and the Ladies teams.

So the spend per senior football player in Dublin is much much lower than 60k. I would also expect that given the success at all levels and the size of panels in both hurling and football, that the spending per player per month in Dublin is much lower than other counties.

Bonniedog · 04-10-2016 11:44AM

More Kiernenesque whinging.

He had no problem with his "beloved Rovers" getting a free stadium.

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