Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Tigger · 03-10-2016 10:46AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's been WELL publicised that he has to drop one belt of he wins against Alvarez, I'd imagine to make sure he's not holding up both divisions.

Lots of things seem to be well publicised
He says he's keeping them and he often gets what he wants we will have to wait and se

DeVore · 03-10-2016 12:26PM

We really should give JK's account a "Verified" tick lol...

Yes, that's the inimitable Mr Kavanagh. He's actually quite approachable (I don't know him well, but I've had a pint with him at various awards ceremonies). His missus seems very talented in her own right. Plus she buys him expensive whiskey, which is ... well... there you go!
I asked him last night on twitter if that was McGregor and its not, so I will remove that account now.

On a personal note, I've been a fan of mma for a long time now. Dipped my toe in the water of training (ow!) and business (OW!). Myself and Dav (the ex-community manager here in Boards) awarded SBG one of the first Irish MMA awards at a Cage Contender award ceremony in Belfast. I've watched SBG strive for domination and excellence from day 1. They aren't the only ones in Ireland that do, but they have lifted the overall quality for everyone. SBG became the gold standard that you needed to be at to compete and John has dragged that quality up and up by sheer will at times. It has not always been Lambos and cocktails.
I don't get that Irish thing where we support our own until they are successful and then try to tear them down because "they've got notions". JK has worked bloody hard to get where he is and its actually a pleasure to see him and Roddy and Conor and Gunni and Paddy and Cathal and Aisling and the whole crew do well and see some fruits of their labour. They have toiled a long time for it and more power to them.

bur · 03-10-2016 12:31PM

When is Conor going to flew all that leverage he has and demand to fight in Ireland?

TherapyBoy · 03-10-2016 12:38PM

DeVore wrote: »

We really should give JK's account a "Verified" tick

I'd be for this if it was easily doable, changing the tagline or something simple maybe?

bur wrote: »

When is Conor going to flew all that leverage he has and demand to fight in Ireland?

A lot of his money earned comes from PPV. The more people buying PPV the more he gets paid, and most PPV buys come from North America so we're watching events on their clock. At the moment, it's not in his interest to want to fight in Ireland from a financial point of view.

ASOT · 03-10-2016 12:41PM

TherapyBoy wrote: »

I'd be for this if it was easily doable, changing the tagline or something simple maybe?

A lot of his money earned comes from PPV. The more people buying PPV the more he gets paid, and most PPV buys come from North America so we're watching events on their clock. At the moment, it's not in his interest to want to fight in Ireland from a financial point of view.

If they can do it for a terrible card with bisping headlining they can do it here tbh, the only difference being showing it at a time to suit american ppvs seems alot easier to achieve across the pond than here so may not be worth the effort.

martyos121 · 03-10-2016 12:42PM

Yep, a fight in Ireland probably isn't in his financial interests and to be fair to him, he should capitalise on the full value of his name while he can. Only way I could see a Dublin fight happening is if he gets a big cut of the gate, which isn't done in the UFC. I still think a PPV from Croke Park would do over a million but he'd be giving up hundreds of thousands of buys and therefore millions of €.

DeVore · 03-10-2016 12:46PM

Someone once complained on Boards that the nightly backup at 3.30am (when we used to turn the site off for 10 minutes) interrupted their browsing and that maybe we should look and see the time when the least users were on the site historically and set it to that.

Our devs came back with a snarky "we've reviewed the logs and the time when the least users are on the site is 3.30am".

The point is that reviewing things as they are now and saying "this is the best way for the future" can be more complicated than that... I'm a big MMA fan but I still don't buy ppv's because I simply cant afford to stay up till 6am on occasions and be zonked the next day and probably a while after. I'm 46, all nighters get tough for us old folk :P
If it was on at 8pm for me, would I buy it? Hell yes!

Europe has twice the population of America. The Middle East isn't all that far away time-zone wise (2-3 hrs).... Its not a surprise that the US has the highest number of PPVs when its set up to be as convenient as possible for them.

martyos121 · 03-10-2016 12:52PM

DeVore wrote: »

Someone once complained on Boards that the nightly backup at 3.30am (when we used to turn the site off for 10 minutes) interrupted their browsing and that maybe we should look and see the time when the least users were on the site historically and set it to that.

Our devs came back with a snarky "we've reviewed the logs and the time when the least users are on the site is 3.30am".

The point is that reviewing things as they are now and saying "this is the best way for the future" can be more complicated than that... I'm a big MMA fan but I still don't buy ppv's because I simply cant afford to stay up till 6am on occasions and be zonked the next day and probably a while after. I'm 46, all nighters get tough for us old folk :P
If it was on at 8pm for me, would I buy it? Hell yes!

Europe has twice the population of America. The Middle East isn't all that far away time-zone wise (2-3 hrs).... Its not a surprise that the US has the highest number of PPVs when its set up to be as convenient as possible for them.

US has the highest number of PPVs because the UFC is an American company, and America is by far their most lucrative market. In this country you can't even buy UFC PPVs if you wanted to (BT Sport is the only legal way to watch them), and other Euro countries have TV deals which broadcast all the numbered events and a lot of Fight Night events.

For those reasons, the US PPV market is the only one really worth suiting for them and by maximising those numbers, they maximise profit. We will always remain an afterthought to them and there's absolute proof of that with the changes they made to FightPass and taking away our ability to buy PPVs.

TherapyBoy · 03-10-2016 12:52PM

I think it's more a cultural thing, they've tried it with boxing especially but we (as in Europeans) don't buy PPV. I don't believe changing the events to local time would change that. The money comes from America because they'll pay $50-60 for it, we won't.

wonderfullife · 03-10-2016 12:57PM

Eamonn Sweeney in the Indo having a right pop at Paddy Barnes and Conor McGregor. Singling out Conor, primarily, for him calling opponents "broke bums".

Paddy got called out for his comments that he'd have no problem with Daniel Kinahan being in his corner as he has no crimincal convictions on record.

To be honest, it's a really disingenuous article. For a start, Conor is on public record donating to the homeless community in Dublin. 50 grand last year. He's also over the years literally invited homeless guys into his home to give them old trackies and t-shirts he's throwing out.

On top of that, it's fundamentally a good thing that he's spotlighting fighter pay and the results are self-evident. Rory MacDonald, Joe Duffy, Al Iaquinta, Luke Rockhold, Aljo Sterling...... there's a long list of fighters now evaluating pay and taking stands like never before. A lot of that is to do with how open Conor has been on the pay issue.

We all know what Conor attempts to do. Rattle opponents and make them fight with too much emotion.

As for Paddy Barnes, no Daniel Kinahan has no criminal convictions but neither did Stalin....... pointing to a criminal conviction as proof of "innocence" is rather silly. There's massive amounts of evidence that the lifestyle, properties and life he leads points to huge wealth from criminality.

Where i would criticize Conor is the fact that at the UFC 205 Presser he said he's on track to make $40 million this year. And just hours later, a post from Luka Jelcic surfaced on Facebook where he's looking for help with a few sponsors on his shorts.

To me, that just felt wrong. Luka has been a close training partner and big help to Conor and he's there scratching around looking for a couple hundred euro short money, hours after Conor boasting about $40 million.

I understand Conor can't personally sponsor every SBG fighter making their way up but it's a sad state of affairs when someone who helped him massively for the Mendes camp is struggling for a few bob.

I would have thought he could put "TheMacLife.com" on Luka's shorts and throw him the few quid.

JustTheOne · 03-10-2016 01:22PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Eamonn Sweeney in the Indo having a right pop at Paddy Barnes and Conor McGregor. Singling out Conor, primarily, for him calling opponents "broke bums".

Paddy got called out for his comments that he'd have no problem with Daniel Kinahan being in his corner as he has no crimincal convictions on record.

To be honest, it's a really disingenuous article. For a start, Conor is on public record donating to the homeless community in Dublin. 50 grand last year. He's also over the years literally invited homeless guys into his home to give them old trackies and t-shirts he's throwing out.

On top of that, it's fundamentally a good thing that he's spotlighting fighter pay and the results are self-evident. Rory MacDonald, Joe Duffy, Al Iaquinta, Luke Rockhold, Aljo Sterling...... there's a long list of fighters now evaluating pay and taking stands like never before. A lot of that is to do with how open Conor has been on the pay issue.

We all know what Conor attempts to do. Rattle opponents and make them fight with too much emotion.

As for Paddy Barnes, no Daniel Kinahan has no criminal convictions but neither did Stalin....... pointing to a criminal conviction as proof of "innocence" is rather silly. There's massive amounts of evidence that the lifestyle, properties and life he leads points to huge wealth from criminality.

Where i would criticize Conor is the fact that at the UFC 205 Presser he said he's on track to make $40 million this year. And just hours later, a post from Luka Jelcic surfaced on Facebook where he's looking for help with a few sponsors on his shorts.

To me, that just felt wrong. Luka has been a close training partner and big help to Conor and he's there scratching around looking for a couple hundred euro short money, hours after Conor boasting about $40 million.

I understand Conor can't personally sponsor every SBG fighter making their way up but it's a sad state of affairs when someone who helped him massively for the Mendes camp is struggling for a few bob.

I would have thought he could put "TheMacLife.com" on Luka's shorts and throw him the few quid.

People really take what he says too serious.

wonderfullife · 03-10-2016 01:29PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

People really take what he says too serious.

Yeah sure he got grief off the Indo for calling Poirier "pea-head". Which is the sort of stuff that wouldn't even get you in hassle in Junior Infants :pac:

dashoonage · 03-10-2016 01:30PM

I use the indo a lot. Mainly for wiping up spills...or when the dog has an accident. Tisnt bad for cleaning windows either....never read it though.

Lukker- · 03-10-2016 01:33PM

dashoonage wrote: »

I use the indo a lot. Mainly for wiping up spills...or when the dog has an accident. Tisnt bad for cleaning windows either....never read it though.

I actually often have to look twice at sensationalist sh*te that paper publishes.

It's just a rag in a poor disguise

DeVore · 03-10-2016 01:42PM

"winners talk about winning, losers talk about winners"

>.<

Everyone is looking to get some of that reflected spotlight from Conor. let the dogs bark.

BOHtox · 03-10-2016 01:50PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's been WELL publicised that he has to drop one belt of he wins against Alvarez, I'd imagine to make sure he's not holding up both divisions.

Given Dana's track record this means he'll still hold both belts and get the winner of Woodley vs Wonderboy for the WW title

wonderfullife · 03-10-2016 01:59PM

As i said, the only criticism i'd fire Conors way is that the boasting about wealth on some levels hasn't translated to the loyalty he talks about a lot for SBG.

Best examples of this are the tracksuit situation for IMMAF and Luka's situation this week.

I've no idea how much it'd cost to get 30 or 40 tracksuits made for Team Ireland but it wouldn't be a fortune, maybe €2,500. That's the type of thing where Conor could make a small difference on the grassroots side of things, especially with so many from SBG making up Team Ireland. It's not a good look for a team to rock up looking like rag-bags when every other team has team-tracksuits.

The Luka Jelcic thing felt sad too. The fella is obviously struggling for a few bob looking for 200 euro sponsorship on his shorts. I hate thinking that the likes of Artem, Luka, Charlie Ward, Peter Queally could be struggling for a few quid and Conor wouldn't help them out because when all is said and done they've played a huge role in his training camps.

He may very well help them out financially behind the scenes but when it comes out in public that Luka needs sponsors for his shorts it just feels wrong.

It also is handing ammunition to Eddie if he wants it. Next time Conor talks about his millions it's an easy response for Eddie to say "well at least my training partner isn't begging for $200 sponsorship, i actually support my own".

nomadchocolate · 03-10-2016 02:09PM

Just with regards to the post above I'd say Conor's head is wrecked from people asking him for money. Why does it have to be Conor that helps him out? Why doesn't the Gym itself help out?

wonderfullife · 03-10-2016 02:16PM

nomadchocolate wrote: »

Just with regards to the post above I'd say Conor's head is wrecked from people asking him for money. Why does it have to be Conor that helps him out? Why doesn't the Gym itself help out?

Oh i agree. Sure even Dana White was saying his own head is melted with relatives hitting him up for money since the sale of the UFC.

I'm sure Conor gets it from all angles.

But there is a big difference between random people or third cousins asking for a loan and in sponsoring your training partner a few quid to advertise your new business.

It's a tough one.

For both SBG and Conor. If they set a precedent in publicly helping one guy, then they've got 20 or 30 other guys feeling hard done by.

I don't know what the answer is, all i know is it feels wrong and looks terrible that Luka came out with that post hours after Conor saying he's making 40 mil this year.

nomadchocolate · 03-10-2016 02:20PM

I was watching one of the old Dana White 'vlog week fight week' videos and he answers a call. After hanging up the phone he turns to the camera and just said his sister asked him to buy her another house. So I can only imagine that McGregor family, Devlin family and extended family from both sides crawl out of the woodwork. Obviously happens alot with lottery winners too.

As you say it is a difficult situation.

daRobot · 03-10-2016 02:25PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Eamonn Sweeney in the Indo having a right pop at Paddy Barnes and Conor McGregor. Singling out Conor, primarily, for him calling opponents "broke bums".

It never ceases to amaze me, how many people can't seem to separate Conor the person and Conor the performer.

Like any celeb, he's built up a public persona - and he simply gives the public what they want. It's pure showbiz, modeled on what worked before - historically, fighters with fast mouths garner much more fervent public interest. In short, controversy sells.

That persona, from a marketing perspective is a win-win. You're either hated, and people tune in to see you get your comeuppance, or people love your confidence and can't get enough.

Either way, it's working for him extremely well, and he appears to be a decent and charitable sort by all accounts, so more power to him.

TherapyBoy · 03-10-2016 03:06PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Oh i agree. Sure even Dana White was saying his own head is melted with relatives hitting him up for money since the sale of the UFC.

I'm sure Conor gets it from all angles.

But there is a big difference between random people or third cousins asking for a loan and in sponsoring your training partner a few quid to advertise your new business.

It's a tough one.

For both SBG and Conor. If they set a precedent in publicly helping one guy, then they've got 20 or 30 other guys feeling hard done by.

I don't know what the answer is, all i know is it feels wrong and looks terrible that Luka came out with that post hours after Conor saying he's making 40 mil this year.

The easiest way to help out without setting a precedent & forking out money to individuals for years to come is to donate in terms of gym equipment, mats, machines, training gear & stuff like that which can be used by everyone. I'm sure he has helped out at SBG in some way, just being associated with the place will bring in more money through subs etc.

cloudatlas · 03-10-2016 03:14PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

As i said, the only criticism i'd fire Conors way is that the boasting about wealth on some levels hasn't translated to the loyalty he talks about a lot for SBG.

Best examples of this are the tracksuit situation for IMMAF and Luka's situation this week.

I've no idea how much it'd cost to get 30 or 40 tracksuits made for Team Ireland but it wouldn't be a fortune, maybe €2,500. That's the type of thing where Conor could make a small difference on the grassroots side of things, especially with so many from SBG making up Team Ireland. It's not a good look for a team to rock up looking like rag-bags when every other team has team-tracksuits.

The Luka Jelcic thing felt sad too. The fella is obviously struggling for a few bob looking for 200 euro sponsorship on his shorts. I hate thinking that the likes of Artem, Luka, Charlie Ward, Peter Queally could be struggling for a few quid and Conor wouldn't help them out because when all is said and done they've played a huge role in his training camps.

He may very well help them out financially behind the scenes but when it comes out in public that Luka needs sponsors for his shorts it just feels wrong.

It also is handing ammunition to Eddie if he wants it. Next time Conor talks about his millions it's an easy response for Eddie to say "well at least my training partner isn't begging for $200 sponsorship, i actually support my own".

Not his responsibility. These people have chosen this career if they are struggling then it's their own fault. Conor has helped his peers, Artem got into Tuf and then into the UFC a chance which he would not have had without Conor, Conor paid for loads of fellas to be involved in his training camp, free flights, food, gear, probably pocket money too and they also benefit from the gym, nutrition and the training program that coach kavanagh is able to provide. Lots of light has been thrown on Sbg fighters because of Conor which has helped promote them and given them platforms to make more money. Conor gives back all the time even though he doesn't have to.

DuffleBag · 03-10-2016 03:19PM

U only have to look at the likes of Cian Cowley, James Gallagher (before he was bellator signed), Lee Hammond, Quelty and see them wearing gucci slippers and hats, and belts etc to know he's giving these lads money.

cloudatlas · 03-10-2016 03:21PM

DuffleBag wrote: »

U only have to look at the likes of Cian Cowley, James Gallagher (before he was bellator signed), Lee Hammond, Quelty and see them wearing gucci slippers and hats, and belts etc to know he's giving these lads money.

I suggest you take a trip to tk maxx

rob316 · 03-10-2016 04:17PM

Its only all showmanship and promotion, you'd want to be an idiot to take offence to anything he says.

darced · 03-10-2016 04:30PM

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deadanonymau5 · 03-10-2016 04:51PM

dashoonage wrote: »

I use the indo a lot. Mainly for wiping up spills...or when the dog has an accident. Tisnt bad for cleaning windows either....never read it though.

Kitchen towels would be far more economical.

DeVore · 03-10-2016 04:51PM

The financial arrangements or obligations between private people is, funnily enough, private.

I will say this tho, in this life you don't get what you deserve, you get what you either negotiate or work for. If Artem (for example) wanted more cash to be a training partner, then he should have negotiated that (and who's to say he didn't). If he wants champion level money, then he should work to be a champion (and I'm sure he does!). Beyond that its not really our business.

deadanonymau5 · 03-10-2016 04:53PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I suggest you take a trip to tk maxx

I suggest you take a trip to tk maxx...

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