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    #542
    Jellybaby1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    mickmackey1 wrote: »
    Can't you? Seems a good stab to me.

    Thought for a minute I was looking at the wrong record. Yes mickmackey, I've had another squint and would agree with 'melancholia' all right, would you go along with me on 'Asphyxia - Strangulation' as well?


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    #543
    lottpaul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭lottpaul


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Can't see that at all, lottpaul.

    I think its "melencholia" on the cert -- looking at it from a distance rather than up close it seemed an option - and may match the circumstances of the death too

    It seems to read -asphyxia, strangulation, melencholia


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    #544
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Thought for a minute I was looking at the wrong record. Yes mickmackey, I've had another squint and would agree with 'melancholia' all right, would you go along with me on 'Asphyxia - Strangulation' as well?
    No doubt about the first two, unfortunately.


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    #545
    josip
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    Melancholia wouldn't be unlikely given the strangulation and asphyxiation unfortunately.
    I'd guess it's more likely self inflicted than anything to do with the War of Independence.
    (Armchair Jessica Fletcher :o)


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    #546
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,120 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    josip wrote: »
    Melancholia wouldn't be unlikely given the strangulation and asphyxiation unfortunately.
    I'd guess it's more likely self inflicted than anything to do with the War of Independence.
    (Armchair Jessica Fletcher :o)

    That's the impression I got too, together with the 'body found by'. I suppose today they would call it depression.


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    #547
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    spurious wrote: »
    That's the impression I got too, together with the 'body found by'. I suppose today they would call it depression.

    Agreed, today I'd guess it'd be classed as PTSD or perhaps 'clinical depression'. Looking at Wiki the latter is believed to be mostly caused by biological factors, and some may have inherited the disorder. Sometimes stressful situations can trigger episodes of melancholic depression, though this is a contributing cause rather than a necessary or sufficient cause, so the War of Ind. could indeed have been a trigger.

    One will frequently encounter ‘melancholia’ as a cause of death when researching a Register from a district that contains a Workhouse or Mental Hospital (e.g. Clonmel No.1). Usually those death entries are sequential, registered ‘en bloc’, sometimes monthly. If an inmate dies ‘young’ for no apparent reason, the cause of death often is given by the institution as “Exhaustion of melancholia, X years certified.”


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    #548
    rhapsody
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭rhapsody


    Thanks everyone for weighing in, 'melancholia' really puts the 'asphyxia strangulation' into context :( Daniel was a shepherd, aged somewhere between 57 and 63, and had a wife and fourteen children. The second eldest is my direct ancestor- she was married and had her three children at this point; Daniel's youngest child was 15. I'll check out the local newspapers when I can to see if I can get some background.
    Thanks again all :)


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    #549
    Alicat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,264 ✭✭✭✭Alicat


    Anyone like to take a stab at where this Rev John Purcell is from? Record is from St Audoen's in Dublin City.

    Parish of ?

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    #550
    pinkypinky
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    St Andrews?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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    #551
    Alicat
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    Oooh, good call...


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    #552
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Help required in deciphering the cause of death on the 2nd death record,

    Male, married, (age) 170 :), ???, Angela (should be Amelia/Amy) McGrath daughter, present at death, Farran.

    Thx


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    #553
    josip
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    I can't help with any of the difficult parts I'm afraid.

    Acute Staph?
    Sulla ??? ear/air?


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    #554
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Many thanks,

    Forgot to include "farmer" and the last word under cause of death is probably "cert" as in certified.


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    #555
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    montgo wrote: »
    Many thanks,

    Forgot to include "farmer" and the last word under cause of death is probably "cert" as in certified.

    On phone so Excuse brevity. Acute phthysis uvula paralysis. Cert.


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    #556
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Well done, Pedro.

    Many thanks.


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    #557
    spurious
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    I think the age, rather than 170, is 1 y.o. - could it be?


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    #558
    josip
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    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    On phone so Excuse brevity. Acute phthysis uvula paralysis. Cert.

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    #559
    josip
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    spurious wrote: »
    I think the age, rather than 170, is 1 y.o. - could it be?

    Would conflict with being a married farmer.


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    #560
    tabbey
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    spurious wrote: »
    I think the age, rather than 170, is 1 y.o. - could it be?

    I don't think he would have been a married farmer at 1 year old.

    This is a case of the registrar mishearing; seventeen, then correcting it to seventy, and forgetting to delete the "1".


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    #561
    tabbey
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    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    Acute phthysis uvula paralysis. Cert.

    Cert for medically certified is certain, but I don't think it is pthisis. Paralysis woud not be associated with pthisis (TB).

    It might perhaps be Acute Pharingitis, ...... paralysis. Cert.

    The third word was probably something on the medical certificate that the registrar could not read, and took a guess, writing a word that does not exist.

    It was quite possible for people to die from pharyngitis before antibiotics. Two of my people died of laryngitis at 29, and tonsilitis at 28. These organs swell up and ultimately choke the person to death, like slow strangulation, the victim gasping for breath, becoming weaker and weaker, until their last.


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    #562
    spurious
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    How about 'sudden' paralysis?


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    #563
    tabbey
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    spurious wrote: »
    How about 'sudden' paralysis?

    Could be.


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    #564
    pedroeibar1
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    tabbey wrote: »
    Cert for medically certified is certain, but I don't think it is pthisis. Paralysis woud not be associated with pthisis (TB).

    It might perhaps be Acute Pharingitis, ...... paralysis. Cert.

    TB could easily lead to throat infection IMO hence the match with the uvula paralysis. However, I think you are right; pharyngitis and uvula paralysis would seem to go together as the pharynx is next to the uvula. The paralysis occurs during the onset of diphtheria, a disease located in the throat. Livestock are a carrier of diphtheria, so that matches the ‘farmer’ occupation. Also the age of the victim (70 in 1945) would make it unlikely he had been immunised.

    Amazing what geno makes one learn: I've no medical training but I did some 'disease research' when putting together notes on a half third cousin eight times removed who was an early supporter and practitioner of inoculation long before Jenner was credited with it!


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    #565
    montgo
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    Have a look at the birth for Maurice Power on 31 December 1872.

    Confirmation of the father's name and the informant pls? By the way, Maurice was baptised on 28 December, 1972:)


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    #566
    josip
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    Father Thomas. I'd only be guessing at the informant.


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    #567
    Mez1982
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Mez1982


    I'm seeing Father as Thomas also and Denis as the first name of informant. It also looks like same surname as father?


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    #568
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    The father's first name looks like Thomas to me but his name was actually James. The informant's name could be Denis but it has what appears to be father underneath!!
    thanks


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    #569
    pedroeibar1
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    Father - Thomas Power, Pallas.
    Informant - Denis Power Father Pallas.

    The 14th January 1873 was a Tuesday - maybe the Registrar was still hung over?


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    #570
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    :)
    That makes at least 3 errors on the birth cert! He or the informant were having a bad day....


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    #571
    josip
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    montgo wrote: »
    :)
    That makes at least 3 errors on the birth cert! He or the informant were having a bad day....

    Could all of those have been transcription errors from the original parish record?


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