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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    The dropping BB related to the kick up the backside he received.
    I aldo recognise his good link play, the frees he won in the semi.

    He won't be dropped

    Regarding Flynn I'd take a risk with Shane B Carthy
    McManamon and Andrews are a direct swap

    Start Bastic for MDMA

    This puts serious impact on the bench


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    JRant wrote: »
    ........
    I personally don't think he's struggling with form more from the "Killkenny effect". He was a great positions to receive the ball in attacking areas on a number of occasions but our point guard completely bypassed him.

    Yeah I find this an interesting theory alright .. I haven't watched the game back since, so my reading of what happened maybe sketchy from my perch on The Hill but I'd have the following observation. When McCarthy was black carded, CK dropped back to nominally take up his position but in reality he became the ball collector from deep with Flynn covering a lot of that space that otherwise would've been CK's job.

    It was evident particualrly in the 2nd half that CK broke left most of the time towards The Hogan side (which may explain why Small saw so much of the ball) as there wasn't an option in the HF line down the right with Flynn withdrawn, consequently there was very little attacking down The Cusack side 2nd half other than ball into the FF line of Rock/Andrews running diagonals off the square, and given the conditions kickpassing into on rushing attackers wasn't the most profitable of decisions. Certainly from a Mayo perspective they were well able to contain the Dublin attacking threat as they funnelled the play way out to the sideline on a numbers of occasions with the ball been recycled over and over again down The Hogan side.

    The one time that I remember them lifting their head to exploit the space down the right, the kick pass from Philly (poor enough an all as it was) skidded off the surface and over the sideline - sorta in keeping with the day really :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    Slattsy wrote: »

    COC was his usual self, in the refs, umpires and linesmans ear every few minutes. I know MD caught COC around the neck, but COC goes to ground clutching his face :D

    Now I grew up watching that Meath team from the 90s, now they were tough, and dished it out in spades - but they could take it aswell. If i could use one word to describe this Mayo team it would be sly. They cant take it. Always moaning and trying to get players into trouble. AOS just moaned all game, what a total fraud anyway. Hopefully Deegan spotted all this from the sideline on Sunday. Im glad he got the gig actually, i like him.

    I'm just hoping for a dry day on the 1st of October and a better performance. After that there's no complaints. Oh and a ticket!!!
    Its also my birthday, normally I'd be Michelin Star-ing it - but not this birthday :)

    The irony in you complaining about Mayo players complaining. :pac:

    The above is hilarious nonsense too. Admit it, you would just prefer if Mayo were all sweetness and light on the pitch and got beaten out the gate - the fact we've stood up to the Dubs has put noses out of joint. I'm delighted we've got under your skin and it's hilarious watching the Dubs squirm on social media and forums and give out about what we do on the pitch. You're comment about MDMA hitting Cillian as somehow 'funny' but if it was on the other side then you'd be looking for a ban.

    Had to laugh at Ciaran 'Goebbels' Whelan on RTE too saying the instigator should always go and it's always the defender - he obviously doesn't remember attempting to decapitate Ronan McGarrity in 06' when McGarrity was beating him up and down Croke Park.

    Anyways, I'm enjoying reading all the excuses - the weather being the latest one to get a spin - meanwhile down in Mayo the game is pretty much out the system already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    The irony in you complaining about Mayo players complaining. :pac:

    The above is hilarious nonsense too. Admit it, you would just prefer if Mayo were all sweetness and light on the pitch and got beaten out the gate - the fact we've stood up to the Dubs has put noses out of joint. I'm delighted we've got under your skin and it's hilarious watching the Dubs squirm on social media and forums and give out about what we do on the pitch. You're comment about MDMA hitting Cillian as somehow 'funny' but if it was on the other side then you'd be looking for a ban.

    Had to laugh at Ciaran 'Goebbels' Whelan on RTE too saying the instigator should always go and it's always the defender - he obviously doesn't remember attempting to decapitate Ronan McGarrity in 06' when McGarrity was beating him up and down Croke Park.

    Anyways, I'm enjoying reading all the excuses - the weather being the latest one to get a spin - meanwhile down in Mayo the game is pretty much out the system already.


    Going by the posts, in the Mayo and match threads, it most certainly isn't. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,244 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    DoctaDee wrote: »
    Yeah I find this an interesting theory alright .. I haven't watched the game back since, so my reading of what happened maybe sketchy from my perch on The Hill but I'd have the following observation. When McCarthy was black carded, CK dropped back to nominally take up his position but in reality he became the ball collector from deep with Flynn covering a lot of that space that otherwise would've been CK's job.

    It was evident particualrly in the 2nd half that CK broke left most of the time towards The Hogan side (which may explain why Small saw so much of the ball) as there wasn't an option in the HF line down the right with Flynn withdrawn, consequently there was very little attacking down The Cusack side 2nd half other than ball into the FF line of Rock/Andrews running diagonals off the square, and given the conditions kickpassing into on rushing attackers wasn't the most profitable of decisions. Certainly from a Mayo perspective they were well able to contain the Dublin attacking threat as they funnelled the play way out to the sideline on a numbers of occasions with the ball been recycled over and over again down The Hogan side.

    The one time that I remember them lifting their head to exploit the space down the right, the kick pass from Philly (poor enough an all as it was) skidded off the surface and over the sideline - sorta in keeping with the day really :o

    Yeah it seemed that way alright. The team seemed to lose their shape completely once McCarthy got the black card and never got it together.

    I like KK and am not having a go at him as it is obviously a tactic that we are employing but he was dropping way too deep to collect the ball at times. He'll learn from Sunday's game no doubt but if you're the opposition then you're more than happy if he's picking up ball in his own fullback line because it's a long long way to their goal from there.

    I'm not too sure Bastic will start the next day but MDMA was extremely ineffective for most of the game and lucky not to get a black card as well.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,244 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The irony in you complaining about Mayo players complaining. :pac:

    The above is hilarious nonsense too. Admit it, you would just prefer if Mayo were all sweetness and light on the pitch and got beaten out the gate - the fact we've stood up to the Dubs has put noses out of joint. I'm delighted we've got under your skin and it's hilarious watching the Dubs squirm on social media and forums and give out about what we do on the pitch. You're comment about MDMA hitting Cillian as somehow 'funny' but if it was on the other side then you'd be looking for a ban.

    Had to laugh at Ciaran 'Goebbels' Whelan on RTE too saying the instigator should always go and it's always the defender - he obviously doesn't remember attempting to decapitate Ronan McGarrity in 06' when McGarrity was beating him up and down Croke Park.

    Anyways, I'm enjoying reading all the excuses - the weather being the latest one to get a spin - meanwhile down in Mayo the game is pretty much out the system already.

    I'd save the gloating till the final whistle on Saturday week if I was you.

    We were all out of sorts on Sunday yet only for your keeper making 2 great saves and Rock having a Mare from frees you would have been beaten handy enough.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    The irony in you complaining about Mayo players complaining. :pac:

    The above is hilarious nonsense too. Admit it, you would just prefer if Mayo were all sweetness and light on the pitch and got beaten out the gate - the fact we've stood up to the Dubs has put noses out of joint. I'm delighted we've got under your skin and it's hilarious watching the Dubs squirm on social media and forums and give out about what we do on the pitch. You're comment about MDMA hitting Cillian as somehow 'funny' but if it was on the other side then you'd be looking for a ban.

    Had to laugh at Ciaran 'Goebbels' Whelan on RTE too saying the instigator should always go and it's always the defender - he obviously doesn't remember attempting to decapitate Ronan McGarrity in 06' when McGarrity was beating him up and down Croke Park.

    Anyways, I'm enjoying reading all the excuses - the weather being the latest one to get a spin - meanwhile down in Mayo the game is pretty much out the system already.

    the weather has never been an excuse for anything, it was brought up as a reason for a poorer scoring ratio in finals in comparison to other games. which is the way it goes in the majority of sports which is weather influenced. bad weather, less scores, most sports...hon reading comprehension


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Unfortunately, Berno suffers from Joe Canning Disease. If he is not scoring 2-12 per game, it's off with his head ! :rolleyes:

    0 scores on Sunday, 2 in the semi, 0 in the quarter. It's more than 'Joe Canning Disease'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    corny wrote: »
    The talk of Bernards poor form has taken on a life of its own at this stage. He hasn't been that bad. He had a decent game against a good opponent in the semi. In the final he showed well for it when Dublin were trying to work the ball inside. That stopped abruptly in the second half for some reason. Not his fault. He hasn't had a standout game yet and thats what some folk demand.

    Only because 4 (Rock, Andrews, BB, Kev Mc) into 3 doesn't go is place in any jeopardy. Thats not the same as saying he's ****e and should be relegated to the bench as a kick up the arse.

    Honestly, he's one of my favourites to pull on a blue jersey but I think he's a shadow of his former self. He isn't scoring at near the rate he did, I think he's lost a yard and his handling can be sloppy. He's still a clever poacher and a he works hard, but personally I'd be looking for replacements as a starter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    I said that it is time to look at the starting full forwards, including BB. My problem is who do you replace him with, who is tried and tested, in games at the highest level, within the last 12 months? And who can be relied on to stay on the pitch. People seem to think Andrews for Flynn is a straight swop.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,300 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Honestly, he's one of my favourites to pull on a blue jersey but I think he's a shadow of his former self. He isn't scoring at near the rate he did, I think he's lost a yard and his handling can be sloppy. He's still a clever poacher and a he works hard, but personally I'd be looking for replacements as a starter.

    Bernard needs to re-invent himself as a player like Jayo did back when it was him and Farrell who Dublin depended on for link men and scores from play.

    Sherlock changed himself from poacher to clever link man with an eye for space and a pass.

    I suppose another way of saying it can Bernard turn into the type of player his brother Alan became? :D

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,300 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    I said that it is time to look at the starting full forwards, including BB. My problem is who do you replace him with, who is tried and tested, in games at the highest level, within the last 12 months? And who can be relied on to stay on the pitch. People seem to think Andrews for Flynn is a straight swop.

    Whats wrong with starting Mannion ahead of Brogan? Even EOG would be a better choice then Brogan at this stage when I think of the options. EOG is a different type of player I know, but at least he is a decent threat to the opposition.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    Bernard needs to re-invent himself as a player like Jayo did back when it was him and Farrell who Dublin depended on for link men and scores from play.

    Sherlock changed himself from poacher to clever link man with an eye for space and a pass.

    I suppose another way of saying it can Bernard turn into the type of player his brother Alan became? :D
    I don't think Bernard's that kind of player, but yeah it would be great if he could.

    I'm not saying he's useless by any means, but I think Gavin has refused to drop him regardless of form. That's throughout league, provincial and all ireland. I think that's wrong when you've got massive talents like Mannion and Costello, and Bernard out of form. Let them fight for a spot, see what Bernard does from the bench or when he's forced to win his spot back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Squatman


    JRant wrote: »
    I'd save the gloating till the final whistle on Saturday week if I was you.

    We were all out of sorts on Sunday yet only for your keeper making 2 great saves and Rock having a Mare from frees you would have been beaten handy enough.


    I like that analogy, allow me to summarise... If dublin were better, mayo would have been easily beaten.... Do you work for NASA? Serious question? Megalols at the wordsmith.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Biloxi Blues


    Jim Gavin has far more riches at his disposal than Rochford for the replay. I'd say it's a fait accompli that McMenamon will be dropped in favour of , probably, Andrews. But you'd have to say that picking Connolly, other than limiting Keegan going forward, is a wasted pick. Keegan will have Connolly in his pocket as usual, practically useless except for being wrapped up in an angry ball of impotent aggression except for being sent off and putting Dublin down to 14 men. I'm not from Mayo or Dublin, but I genuinely think Dublin would be better served keeping Connolly on the bench. Not interested in historical revisionism of whatever happened between them before in this new Galvin/O'Leary spat because ,unlike that, I think Keegan has won this spat long ago even before last Sunday. But I'd be interested to see what impartial Dubs might think about about it as a brave decision that Jim Gavin might take. Brian Cody was never afraid to make decisions like this, is Jim Gavin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    Squatman wrote: »
    I like that analogy, allow me to summarise... If dublin were better, mayo would have been easily beaten.... Do you work for NASA? Serious question? Megalols at the wordsmith.

    Megalols? How's your first few weeks back at school.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Jim Gavin has far more riches at his disposal than Rochford for the replay. I'd say it's a fait accompli that McMenamon will be dropped in favour of , probably, Andrews. But you'd have to say that picking Connolly, other than limiting Keegan going forward, is a wasted pick. Keegan will have Connolly in his pocket as usual, practically useless except for being wrapped up in an angry ball of impotent aggression except for being sent off and putting Dublin down to 14 men. I'm not from Mayo or Dublin, but I genuinely think Dublin would be better served keeping Connolly on the bench. Not interested in historical revisionism of whatever happened between them before in this new Galvin/O'Leary spat because ,unlike that, I think Keegan has won this spat long ago even before last Sunday. But I'd be interested to see what impartial Dubs might think about about it as a brave decision that Jim Gavin might take. Brian Cody was never afraid to make decisions like this, is Jim Gavin?

    You are delusional, if you think that Jim Gavin is going to drop 3 of Flynn, Kev Mc, Brogan and Connolly.

    There is no such thing as an impartial Dub btw. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Biloxi Blues


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    You are delusional, if you think that Jim Gavin is going to drop 3 of Flynn, Kev Mc, Brogan and Connolly.

    There is no such thing as an impartial Dub btw. :D

    Jim Gavin (or I, if I was the Dublin manager) would never drop Brogan, he's class. I wouldn't drop SuperKev either because he is a big match winner and has a big match mentality. But Connolly? Come on, he's a show pony....a petulant show pony. And a liability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Ok, using language like that, is clearly just out to get a reaction. You're not going to get it from me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Biloxi Blues


    Awful, disgraceful language. Mea culpa. I need to wash out my mouth after using such foul, shameful words about a darling of the Hill. Sackcloths and ashes for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,833 ✭✭✭corny


    Too obvious. Move along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Jim Gavin has far more riches at his disposal than Rochford for the replay. I'd say it's a fait accompli that McMenamon will be dropped in favour of , probably, Andrews. But you'd have to say that picking Connolly, other than limiting Keegan going forward, is a wasted pick. Keegan will have Connolly in his pocket as usual, practically useless except for being wrapped up in an angry ball of impotent aggression except for being sent off and putting Dublin down to 14 men. I'm not from Mayo or Dublin, but I genuinely think Dublin would be better served keeping Connolly on the bench. Not interested in historical revisionism of whatever happened between them before in this new Galvin/O'Leary spat because ,unlike that, I think Keegan has won this spat long ago even before last Sunday. But I'd be interested to see what impartial Dubs might think about about it as a brave decision that Jim Gavin might take. Brian Cody was never afraid to make decisions like this, is Jim Gavin?

    Ball for the second goal was the best piece of skill in the game, but yeah Connolly did nothing....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    You'll probably see one change, Andrews will come in probably for Kev. Gavin has never been one for drastic changes, Brogan, Flynn etc. have been in very bad form before but have retained their places. Personally I'd drop Bernard for Andrews or maybe Mannion. I acknowledge Flynn isn't playing well but I'm not sure we have a replacement (Andrews maybe but he's best inside). Same goes for McAuley.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Menoetius


    I do my best to avoid threads like this in the week or so after a big game due to the amount of bile and drivel spouted. Flicking through here this morning has re-inforced that.

    Carry on :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    I won't be surprised in the slightest when Jim goes with the same starting 15 again. He'll give them the opportunity to redeem themselves.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    Menoetius wrote: »
    I do my best to avoid threads like this in the week or so after a big game due to the amount of bile and drivel spouted. Flicking through here this morning has re-inforced that.

    Carry on :eek:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Menoetius


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    can't see that picture, not sure if that's a good or bad thing :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    This has probably been posted on here in the past but I'm just after reading it as it was mentioned on Off The Ball at the weekend. David Walshe's article in Magill many moons ago about The Dubs and Heffernan in the mid 70's.

    Very good and long read, might pass some time.

    http://pub43.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3642538416&frmid=4&msgid=552978&cmd=show


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    PARlance wrote: »
    This has probably been posted on here in the past but I'm just after reading it as it was mentioned on Off The Ball at the weekend. David Walshe's article in Magill many moons ago about The Dubs and Heffernan in the mid 70's.

    Very good and long read, might pass some time.

    http://pub43.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3642538416&frmid=4&msgid=552978&cmd=show

    That's lunchtime sorted


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