Clare GAA discussion thread

Triboro · 22-09-2016 08:03AM

Would Donal og throw his hat in the ring ?

Clareman · 22-09-2016 08:04AM

Figerty wrote: »

You must be joking. Frank and Brian Lohan are both in their 40's now.. of course they would struggle!!:)

Brian Lohan was one of the greatest full backs ever. A sweeper would have been an insult to his game. Frank is probably the best specialist corner back we ever had. Both held their place for more than a decade in Clares greatest era.

Brian was a great full back but that's all he was, a full back, if he was dragged out of position he was in big big big trouble. Also, Clare played a sweeper near the end of Lohan's career.

Frank in my opinion was the best back we ever had, he'd probably be well able to make it at any stage.

Clareman · 22-09-2016 08:16AM

The talk of Brian and Frank has made me think of what of the team of the 90s would make it. Don't get me wrong I think they all could have adjusted their game for the modern era but I'm just thinking of them while they played.

Davy - I don't think he'd make it, his 1 trick with puck outs was to hit it as far as he could every time and he was prone to errors in big games.
O'Halloran - Very stickly corner back, he'd be badly exposed if he was brought out the field or if facing players running at him.
Brian - I don't think he'd make it today, with 1 man full forward lines he'd be badly exposed.
Frank - Hurling and athlete, he'd make it.
Doyle - hurling and game reading ability means I think he'd make it, just about
Seanie - Probably the best centre back ever, but I don't know if he'd be able to cope with a crowded middle third, I'd say he'd make it though.
Daly - He was lucky to have Frank behind him and Seanie beside him to cover up a lot of gaps in his game, I don't think he'd make it.
Baker - Ball winner means he might make it, but never the best hurler or the fastest so I don't think he'd make it.
Lynch - Probably the best suited for the modern game, run all day with great skill, his lack of fielding ability wouldn't be an issue in today's game, definite make it.
Jamesey - Of course he'd make it
Fingers - Great fitness and skill and can play in multiple positions, he'd make it
Toots - Touch and go, always struck me as a "medium" player, not great fitness/skill/speed but not bad either, I think he'd lose out to better players now.
Stephen Mac - Not sure how he made it back then to be honest, wouldn't make it now
Clancy - Brilliant ball winner which we are lacking now, no speed, never showed great skill but we're short ball winners, would be a panel player and a potential starter depending on the type of game we'd play.
Sparrow - Poacher who takes an opportunity, back in the 90s he was losing out before Andrew Whelan's horrific injury so it's touch and go whether he'd get his place ahead of others now.

Figerty · 22-09-2016 08:27AM

Clareman wrote: »

Brian was a great full back but that's all he was, a full back, if he was dragged out of position he was in big big big trouble. Also, Clare played a sweeper near the end of Lohan's career.

Frank in my opinion was the best back we ever had, he'd probably be well able to make it at any stage.

Best game I ever saw Brian Lohan play was the Fitzgibbon final in 04. He started corner back, came out to wing back and was immense. Pace, aggression and power. Full back is a specialist position, I don't think we have better now.
To be fair, that current crop if hurlers are exceptional, but so were the 95-2005 era. One won 2 all irelands and 3 Munsters, the others have one in the era of Kilkenny's greatest.

Henno30 · 22-09-2016 10:24AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Clareman wrote: »

I may have a beer to celebrate. It's a shame to be happy that a manager who guided us to a ln All Ireland and National League but what can you do.

at least he did the honorable thing by asking the squad to vote

That is 100% spin. He had no intention of going and clung on to the last. The story they have spun around his exit is a pack of lies, designed to make it look like he sacrificed himself for the good of Clare hurling. Would be great if one of the players told the real story to a journalist, but on balance it's probably better to just let it go. Let him paint himself as the martyr.

Henno30 · 22-09-2016 10:25AM

Clareman wrote: »

Keano wrote: »

The majority of the players wanted him to stay...not so sure on that

Considering the article is treating draws as wins I would say it'd be more likely that a majority didn't say they wanted him gone but not everyone gave an opinion.

24 out of 37 players voted for him to go. The 24 includes almost every name that would be recognised outside of the county.

keeponhurling · 22-09-2016 10:35AM

Clareman wrote: »

The talk of Brian and Frank has made me think of what of the team of the 90s would make it. Don't get me wrong I think they all could have adjusted their game for the modern era but I'm just thinking of them while they played.

Davy - I don't think he'd make it, his 1 trick with puck outs was to hit it as far as he could every time and he was prone to errors in big games.
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Oh FFS, stopped reading at this point.

He was also good at stopping the sliotar going into our goal, and be hoenst nobody since has been a patch on him.

Gael85 · 22-09-2016 10:46AM

Figerty wrote: »

Best game I ever saw Brian Lohan play was the Fitzgibbon final in 04. He started corner back, came out to wing back and was immense. Pace, aggression and power. Full back is a specialist position, I don't think we have better now.
To be fair, that current crop if hurlers are exceptional, but so were the 95-2005 era. One won 2 all irelands and 3 Munsters, the others have one in the era of Kilkenny's greatest.

I doubt Brian Lohan was playing Fitzgibbon in 04?

94?

Clareman · 22-09-2016 10:53AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Oh FFS, stopped reading at this point.

He was also good at stopping the sliotar going into our goal, and be hoenst nobody since has been a patch on him.

Stinker of a goal in the 95 final, could have done better for at least 1 of the goals in the 97 final (great save in that final though). I would blame his puck outs for our loss to Cork in the AL Semi final and for Ciaran Careys point in 96. I don't know if he'd cope with the directed puck outs of today

keeponhurling · 22-09-2016 01:14PM

Clareman, do you mean they wouldn't "make it" it that they'd never make it at inter-county level ? Or that they wouldn't get on the current team ?

Hard to take seriously that Davy, Daly or Lohan wouldn't make it

Clareman · 22-09-2016 01:44PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Clareman, do you mean they wouldn't "make it" it that they'd never make it at inter-county level ? Or that they wouldn't get on the current team ?

Hard to take seriously that Davy, Daly or Lohan wouldn't make it

That they wouldn't get on the current team. The game has changed so much in the past 20 years I don't know if their style of play would be compatible. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying they aren't great players just that I don't know if they'd be able for it. For example, it's pretty much a given now that forwards roam all over the place, how stogie Lohan deal with being out on the 45 for the game.

Of the 3 players mentioned Davy world probably the most likely to fit in now the easiest.

buck65 · 22-09-2016 01:49PM

Clareman you are talking nonsense, Davy was a fine keeper - the Lohan's were worth their place on any team.
By god if you got past them you earned it.

Good to see Davy gone, I know form one of the players that he would have faced a mass exodus next year - alot more than 7 dissidents.

Clareman · 22-09-2016 04:46PM

buck65 wrote: »

Clareman you are talking nonsense, Davy was a fine keeper - the Lohan's were worth their place on any team.
By god if you got past them you earned it.

I'm not denying that they were great players and I will say that Davy and Frank would probably make it today, but I still think that Brian was an edge of the square full back that wasn't comfortable out the pitch and could be exposed by smaller/faster players. Put an old style full forward up against Brian Lohan and he'd dominate, have people running at him from all directions and he'd struggle.

Figerty · 22-09-2016 05:48PM

Gael85 wrote: »

I doubt Brian Lohan was playing Fitzgibbon in 04? 94?

Ya are right there! Final was in Clarinbridge.

Figerty · 22-09-2016 05:53PM

Clareman wrote: »

I'm not denying that they were great players and I will say that Davy and Frank would probably make it today, but I still think that Brian was an edge of the square full back that wasn't comfortable out the pitch and could be exposed by smaller/faster players. Put an old style full forward up against Brian Lohan and he'd dominate, have people running at him from all directions and he'd struggle.

All that was tried; I don't recall Lohan being moved out of position only once. Playing full back is hugely dependent on what's in front of you.
Every hurler has someone that will get the better of them. DJ Carey had Brian Whelahan. Shelley used to trouble Lohan.
I couldn't say that any of the full backs that have replaced the Lohans has equaled their performance or consistency.

Henno30 · 23-09-2016 08:58PM

Figerty wrote: »

Clareman wrote: »

I'm not denying that they were great players and I will say that Davy and Frank would probably make it today, but I still think that Brian was an edge of the square full back that wasn't comfortable out the pitch and could be exposed by smaller/faster players. Put an old style full forward up against Brian Lohan and he'd dominate, have people running at him from all directions and he'd struggle.

All that was tried; I don't recall Lohan being moved out of position only once. Playing full back is hugely dependent on what's in front of you.
Every hurler has someone that will get the better of them. DJ Carey had Brian Whelahan. Shelley used to trouble Lohan.
I couldn't say that any of the full backs that have replaced the Lohans has equaled their performance or consistency.

Alan Browne was consistently the toughest challenge Lohan faced I think. Gave him a number of tough outings.

Figerty · 23-09-2016 11:05PM

Henno30 wrote: »

Alan Browne was consistently the toughest challenge Lohan faced I think. Gave him a number of tough outings.

Your'e right there.. but you would see a full forward departing to another position more often than not.

I think what summed up Lohan best was on description I heard... Lohan was great on the ball, but he was even better without it..

Could he be the next Clare manager? He was pretty vocal about Davy's tactics.

ShortKickOut · 23-09-2016 11:31PM

Club football semi finals predictions?

Miltown v Cratloe
KIB v Cooraclare

I'd go for Cratloe and KIB to advance

Limestone Cowboy · 24-09-2016 12:04AM

ShortKickOut wrote: »

Club football semi finals predictions?

Miltown v Cratloe
KIB v Cooraclare

I'd go for Cratloe and KIB to advance

KIB and I wouldn't fancy trying to call the other one. Everyone I have talked to fancies Miltown to win it out and it would be great to see themselves and their neighbors going at it in the final, Cratloe won't lie over for them anyway. Fancy kilfenora to win the intermediate tomorrow aswell.

Realbhoy · 24-09-2016 09:09AM

I think the Miltown/Cratloe game will be a cracker. Slight fancy for Miltown because I think the demands of competing in both codes might just draw from Cratloe a little but looking forward to it. Fancy KIB in the other one all right.

windy shepard henderson · 24-09-2016 12:15PM

big weekend in the gaa world here , today see's kilmaley take on clarecastle in the minor A hurling final , followed by the intermediate football final by kilfenora and kildysart , tomorrow sees the two football semi finals , and the all ireland ladies football finals where clare take on kildare in the intermediate final . after a narrow one point defeat to tipperary at the same stage in 2009 the girls will be hoping to make a mends , they carry a heavy favorites tag going in to this one after narrowly missing out on promotion to division 1 in the league and some impressive performances in the championship thus far , lets hope for more silverware heading back to the banner tomorrow night ,

Minor A Final
@ Cusack Park 3pm kilmaley v clarcastle , verdict : kilmaley

IFC Final

@ Cusack Park 4:30 Kilfenora v Kildysart . verdict : Kilfenora

Senior B Football final

@ Miltown 5:30 O'Currys v St Breckans , Verdict : St Breckans

Tommorow

SFC semi finals

12:00 @ Cusack park : Miltown v Cratloe , Verdict : Miltown

16:30 @ Doonbeg : K.I.B v Cooraclare , Vedrict : K.I.B

Clareman · 24-09-2016 03:57PM

Does anyone know when the junior b football final replay is down for??

Gael85 · 24-09-2016 04:03PM

Clareman wrote: »

Does anyone know when the junior b football final replay is down for??

It must be next week. There was nothing on the Clare GAA website.

Clareman · 24-09-2016 04:07PM

Gael85 wrote: »

It must be next week. There was nothing on the Clare GAA website.

You'd think it'd have to be next week and I thought I saw it on the Clare GAA website that it's on next Saturday but it's not there now

windy shepard henderson · 24-09-2016 04:21PM

Clareman wrote: »

You'd think it'd have to be next week and I thought I saw it on the Clare GAA website that it's on next Saturday but it's not there now

not down in the clare champion for next week either?

windy shepard henderson · 24-09-2016 04:23PM

big win for the magpies in the minor A hurling final, they probably wouldnt have been one of the fancied teams at the start of the year

https://twitter.com/ClarecastleGAA/status/779701683446226944

Clareman · 24-09-2016 04:30PM

I thought Kilmaley were strong favourites for the title, nice to see Clarecastle win an A title it's been a while since they've won 1 I think

Clareman · 24-09-2016 04:31PM

Heard a very strong rumour from a usually reliable source that Moloney and O'Connor are interested in the big job in a joint capacity.

Twiceasnice97 · 24-09-2016 04:33PM

Clareman wrote: »

The game has changed an awful lot since they played though, I would challenge that both Frank and Brian would struggle to get their place on the team now.

frank and brian lohan were tall mobile aggressive players who were extremely secure when going to the ball and played from the front.

The contention that they wouldn't make the current Clare team is beyond laughable.

In fact your contention in this regard rules you out of being taken even remotely seriously really.

There isn't a single full back playing hurling at the moment who would even come close to brian lohan.

You seem to have the bizarre notion that he was slow.

Clareman · 24-09-2016 04:40PM

Brian played the 95 All Ireland final on 1 leg, didn't impact him too much.

I'm not debating that he isn't a great player my point is that you don't really have a standard full back anymore, more you have 6 backs who might be dragged into any position.

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