Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (PC/PS4/XB1)

Zillah · 06-09-2016 7:58pm

Azza wrote: »

I don't think its badly designed at all. Its a game that allows you to mess up and not hand hold you all the time.

Game are composed of arbitrary systems and a game that doesn't convey the rules of those systems to the player is badly designed. Or at least that mission was.

The convention is that you can end a mission once all of the criteria are met. Additional criteria which are not essential but will help are flagged as optional. In this mission - just this one example - you can end it far too early. To even know that there is a further option that can be explored you have to talk to a random NPC nearby who looks identical to all of the other hundreds of NPCs that are completely impossible to interact with and serve only as background flavour.

It's not good design, they're not following their own conventions that they established in the rest of the game.

SeantheMan · 07-09-2016 12:45am

At the very start of the game I knocked out the weapons dealer and his goons in the apartment near mine (not knowing he was a dealer).
I only found out later that you can buy 2 Praxis kits off him.
I'm running around with about 30k in my pocket and nothing to spend it on.

Cash is useless in this game, so what's the point of 'Credit chips' everywhere

Also, just like the first game, I've never used the 'Typhoon' , there's never a great situation to use it either (I also didn't upgrade to any of the experimental Augs)
Armor piercing Machine Gun and Sniper take down everyone quick enough.

KeithTS · 07-09-2016 10:16am

SeantheMan wrote: »

At the very start of the game I knocked out the weapons dealer and his goons in the apartment near mine (not knowing he was a dealer).
I only found out later that you can buy 2 Praxis kits off him.
I'm running around with about 30k in my pocket and nothing to spend it on.

Cash is useless in this game, so what's the point of 'Credit chips' everywhere

Also, just like the first game, I've never used the 'Typhoon' , there's never a great situation to use it either (I also didn't upgrade to any of the experimental Augs)
Armor piercing Machine Gun and Sniper take down everyone quick enough.

There's no need to buy any praxis kits anyway, if you're playing stealth there's nothing to upgrade bar the basics. Saying that, remote hacking has been very useful during the lock down.

sheep? · 07-09-2016 11:09am

Yeah, the remote hack has been used quite a bit by myself. Definitely the most useful of the new ones.

07-09-2016 1:15pm

sheep? wrote: »

Yeah, the remote hack has been used quite a bit by myself. Definitely the most useful of the new ones.

I played on give me deus ex setting and thought it was rubbish, it was only when I started on NG+ on the lower difficulty and objects that it can work on get highlighted for you in the hood from miles out did I see how useful it could be

We live and learn I guess

Zillah · 07-09-2016 1:25pm

SeantheMan wrote: »

At the very start of the game I knocked out the weapons dealer and his goons in the apartment near mine (not knowing he was a dealer).
I only found out later that you can buy 2 Praxis kits off him.
I'm running around with about 30k in my pocket and nothing to spend it on.

Cash is useless in this game, so what's the point of 'Credit chips' everywhere

Also, just like the first game, I've never used the 'Typhoon' , there's never a great situation to use it either (I also didn't upgrade to any of the experimental Augs)
Armor piercing Machine Gun and Sniper take down everyone quick enough.

I read on Reddit that if you do the "no reloading saves" version of the game then Typhoon can be really important for those "crap I'm in trouble" moments, because you can't reload and sometimes you just need everyone in the room to die immediately.

Personally I loved Icarus Dash. I always love hyper-mobility in games. Being able to use it to smash people in combat and to zip across open areas during sneaking is amazing. Also good for reaching high places.

My favourite moment in the game was when there were three guys standing near each other, and I zipped in and knocked one out with Icarus, then did a dual-takedown on the others.

sheep? · 07-09-2016 1:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I played on give me deus ex setting and thought it was rubbish, it was only when I started on NG+ on the lower difficulty and objects that it can work on get highlighted for you in the hood from miles out did I see how useful it could be

We live and learn I guess

Oh crap, no highlights on Hard? Flip.

Wtf are those fancy sunglasses for then, just for show?

Azza · 07-09-2016 4:10pm

Zillah wrote: »

Game are composed of arbitrary systems and a game that doesn't convey the rules of those systems to the player is badly designed. Or at least that mission was.

The convention is that you can end a mission once all of the criteria are met. Additional criteria which are not essential but will help are flagged as optional. In this mission - just this one example - you can end it far too early. To even know that there is a further option that can be explored you have to talk to a random NPC nearby who looks identical to all of the other hundreds of NPCs that are completely impossible to interact with and serve only as background flavour.

It's not good design, they're not following their own conventions that they established in the rest of the game.

Your asked to take over an investigation into a murder. What are the two classic staples of doing so in popular fiction?.... searching for evidence and canvassing the witnesses. I'm pretty sure the NPC you need to talk too repeats and audio queue as a hint. As for him not standing out, again it sounds like a case of wanting your hand held. What do you want, the game to trigger an automatic cut scene were you forced to talk to him or he's dressed up in a pink Batman outfit to get your attention?

The problem is, everyone wants to get "the best ending" and are not willing to live with there own decision. If the suspect there is a better ending and they can't figure out how to get it on there own they just go off and look it up online. At that point the game might as well be playing itself for you.

07-09-2016 9:59pm

Got offered a 1.1gb patch there on Xbox assume PS4 too. Not seeing any patch notes yet.

DeVore · 08-09-2016 1:29pm

Same on PC... not sure what that is all about... Cant be code fixes , its too big.

08-09-2016 4:03pm

DeVore wrote: »

Same on PC... not sure what that is all about... Cant be code fixes , its too big.

Could be for the System Rift DLC later in the month.

EDIT: It fixed Talos' hair during the conversation with him. He no longer looks like Nico Bellick after the cutscene

Mr.Fantastic · 09-09-2016 12:06am

Anyone else notice Connaught technologies, on the side of the neural network machine near director millers office ?? Irish connection maybe?

dreamers75 · 09-09-2016 12:12am

DeVore wrote: »

Same on PC... not sure what that is all about... Cant be code fixes , its too big.

DX 12 , drivers out for both cards.

Wont be playing till Sat so cant confirm +- of it.

5uspect · 09-09-2016 12:20am

Mr.Fantastic wrote: »

Anyone else notice Connaught technologies, on the side of the neural network machine near director millers office ?? Irish connection maybe?

I remember some guy in a GAA jersey in photos of the HR Dev team.

DeVore · 10-09-2016 7:15pm

Jaysis that's not so much an ending as a "stopping", lol!

Good game, thoroughly enjoyed it, made it through without killing anyone! But I didn't get the achievement because I used the "kill switch" at the end... ffs, are you serious?!

I found the side quests better than the main quest and whoever thought

locking down Prague

was a good idea needs slapping.

Lets take our lovely open world, and close it.

>.<

On the Harvester mission

I freakin' knew it was her from the very first second Jensen talks to her! I dunno why but something about her story just light up my spidey-sense like a light house

.

I'm looking forward to just going through the game smashing stuff now, kill everyone Machine God will know his own!

I had about 5 praxis points left by the end and couldn't be arsed spending them tbh... I think if you are going stealth, a lot of the extras aren't needed, the parts aren't needed and the ammo isn't needed mostly (though I did grow to love my tranq sniper gun

)

Looking forward to the DLC now if only to actually get some closure to the story lines hahah

The Specialist · 10-09-2016 9:03pm

DeVore wrote: »

Jaysis that's not so much an ending as a "stopping", lol!

Good game, thoroughly enjoyed it, made it through without killing anyone! But I didn't get the achievement because I used the "kill switch" at the end... ffs, are you serious?!

I found the side quests better than the main quest and whoever thought
locking down Prague
was a good idea needs slapping.
Lets take our lovely open world, and close it.
>.<

On the Harvester mission
I freakin' knew it was her from the very first second Jensen talks to her! I dunno why but something about her story just light up my spidey-sense like a light house
.

I'm looking forward to just going through the game smashing stuff now, kill everyone Machine God will know his own!

I had about 5 praxis points left by the end and couldn't be arsed spending them tbh... I think if you are going stealth, a lot of the extras aren't needed, the parts aren't needed and the ammo isn't needed mostly (though I did grow to love my tranq sniper gun )

Looking forward to the DLC now if only to actually get some closure to the story lines hahah

New game plus is great, I'm a murdering fully augmented psycho this time around

10-09-2016 10:41pm

Just got my no death run left to do , much as I love achievements I'm f'd if I'm playing that Breach rubbish for them.

OptimusTractor · 10-09-2016 10:41pm

5uspect wrote: »

I remember some guy in a GAA jersey in photos of the HR Dev team.

Probably Mayo its always Mayo

Mr.Fantastic · 11-09-2016 2:46am

OptimusTractor wrote: »

Probably Mayo its always Mayo

Now that it was mentioned I think it was a dub one!!
Even though the message of mayo 4 Sam is far reaching !

SeantheMan · 11-09-2016 6:25am

Worst ending I can remember in a long time.

So Miller...even though taking orders from the illuminati...wasn't working with them ?

So who was leaking info about me heading to the other bases (I thought it was the pilot) ...as some emails you find refer to 'Old Blue Eyes' and his eyes are extremely blue compared to any other characters...he also seemed pretty shady throughout.

Also, I had to choose between a few hundred people and all the people in the meeting room....it was made to seem like an important choice. But I saved them both ?

God I get annoyed thinking about the ending of the game...I enjoyed the first 3/4 so much. The last 1/4 is just muck.

Exclamation Marc · 11-09-2016 8:59am

Jesus, spoilers maybe????

11-09-2016 11:31am

Might want to spoiler some or all of that Sean.

Did you not get a cut scene half way through the credits ?

it was the shrink in T29 leaking the info

degrassinoel · 11-09-2016 3:49pm

meh i couldnt exit the credits so i closed it - they could have had that bit at the end of the cinematics instead of making ye watch the credits.

I did get the pacifist achievement though

SeantheMan · 12-09-2016 4:48am

Deleted User wrote: »

Might want to spoiler some or all of that Sean.

Did you not get a cut scene half way through the credits ?

Apologies for non spoilers. My bad. Thanks to mod for fixing it.

Her...really ? When I came back to the building before going off to London he was all happy and chatty with her. I think he just said 'so it wasn't Miller after all or something like that

The end credits...with the pics of developers that went on for 15 mins ?

I alt-tabbed out of that and was watching some music video or something waiting for it to finish....it was insufferable....I can't believe you can't skip it. So if anything happened 'during it' I didn't see it. I thought something might pop up at the end...ala Metal Gear or a Marvel film which is why I had it on in the background.

dreamers75 · 12-09-2016 8:54am

What utterly crap ending.

Killed Viktor even tho I didnt have to, he was out cold and i double tapped him, didnt save the delegates.

It seems like there is something cut from the game, when in GARM I noticed emails from people who were in league with orlov but no mention of them previously. Its like there is a story there but missing.

Good game, crap ending.

SeantheMan · 12-09-2016 9:21am

dreamers75 wrote: »

What utterly crap ending.
Killed Viktor even tho I didnt have to, he was out cold and i double tapped him, didnt save the delegates.

It seems like there is something cut from the game, when in GARM I noticed emails from people who were in league with orlov but no mention of them previously. Its like there is a story there but missing.

Good game, crap ending.

I chose to fight Victor also (saving the civilians)....but I was still able to get to the delegates in time and say "Hey...don't drink that" and save the day.

Milled died in my game apparently because I chose to save the watchmakers daughters instead of chasing the orchid at the bank(I didn't wanna go back there because I had completely cleared the place out earlier in the game....for no reason...considering credits are pretty much worthless)

I feel there is gonna be a whole chunk of DLC, similar to the one they had for Human Revolution....to fill in the gaps....but much bigger.

KeithTS · 12-09-2016 12:07pm

I finished this yesterday and I didn't actually think the ending was all that bad.
After hearing about it I was expecting much worse.

I managed to save Miller, rescue the delegates and take down Marchenko. Making it possible to do all three is pretty nice imo.
The cutscene midway through the credits was tad too Marvel for me but it leaves things nice and open for them to rob us of loads more money for DLC.

The one thing that is really annoying me is the fact that they purposefully left a lot of the game out for DLC. I'm OK if I have a finished game and then a year later I get another large whack of content to bring me back into it but releasing DLC 3/4 weeks after release day when the fans are all on the same side saying the game is far from finished is a little crass.

Zillah · 12-09-2016 2:24pm

KeithTS wrote: »

I managed to save Miller

Weirdly I can't remember if I managed this. I got to him in the

kitchen

but had to run off for the other end-game things. Was

he ok from there?

KeithTS · 12-09-2016 3:00pm

Zillah wrote: »

Weirdly I can't remember if I managed this. I got to him in the
kitchen
but had to run off for the other end-game things. Was
he ok from there?

I gave Miller the Orchid antidote that you get form the bank.
After that I legged it (and got a bit lost) to the delegates...I lost my Foxiest of the Hounds trophy there as I just ran past the guards on the way throwing gas as I went.
Got there in time to say don't drink the champers and then did an about turn and took Marchenko down by lashing tranq rounds into him.

There's no mention of the Miller thing in the ending but he was given the cure.

dreamers75 · 12-09-2016 4:34pm

I let the robots fight with Viktor then nailed him with a punch to the face.

It was actually very easy, the only time he seen me was when I was punching him in the face.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (PC/PS4/XB1)

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