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Mooooo · 08-09-2016 08:04PM

Dawg may know more but I thought I read somewhere that uptake in Europe was expected to be poor. Maybe seeing as a few countries were blaming us for the oversupply they figured they'd throw us a few cent and we'd be happy ha

trixi2011 · 08-09-2016 08:48PM

If you expanded can you avail of the scheme? everything ive read about the scheme suggests that they will use last years milk as a reference year.

Mooooo · 08-09-2016 08:57PM

That's it basically it's based on last year's supply. Only way anyone that expanded could do it is possibly once aday or dry off a chunk of the herd early. Then depending on whether conditions I think if you can keep the cows on grass and something like 3kg of meal it may work out better than the scheme. If a lot of silage comes in to diet I think the scheme may break even against producing it then. All depends on weather, circumstances etc if it'll work out for each person

trixi2011 · 08-09-2016 09:07PM

Mooooo wrote: »

That's it basically it's based on last year's supply. Only way anyone that expanded could do it is possibly once aday or dry off a chunk of the herd early. Then depending on whether conditions I think if you can keep the cows on grass and something like 3kg of meal it may work out better than the scheme. If a lot of silage comes in to diet I think the scheme may break even against producing it then. All depends on weather, circumstances etc if it'll work out for each person

looking into it at the moment but don't think there any way I can avail of the scheme, 20% up on last years numbers and building numbers again so not culling to hard. Was really toying with the idea of going oad for oct,nov, dec

whelan2 · 08-09-2016 09:15PM

Went to calve a cow earlier, just tail coming, got vet , dead twins. Bull and heifer

OverRide · 08-09-2016 09:29PM

Arrrgh whelan
But at least the heifers alright and you get to see another smasher in the parlour at a time when price is finally on the up

Edit thought it was a heifer you calved

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-09-2016 09:29PM

An interesting but unsuccessful attempt by US dairy co-ops to raise milk price results in a $52m fine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-08/cow-killing-and-price-fixing-in-your-supermarket-dairy-aisle

whelan2 · 08-09-2016 09:31PM

OverRide wrote: »

Arrrgh whelan
But at least the heifers alright and you get to see another smasher in the parlour at a time when price is finally on the up

Edit thought it was a heifer you calved

Was a big cow, vet said if it was a heifer it would have been a section. Just calved a heifer there , good to see a normal calving after a crap one.

Timmaay · 08-09-2016 10:53PM

I'm just teasing out the milk reduction thingy, I'll definitely be down on last year's dec/jan/Feb supply, due to ditching all the autumn calvers, so that's my best period to pick. However the big question is will there be any aid left by then?? If I apply for the oct-dec, at best I'll reduce by afew thousand litres (in Dec), however good chance I'll end up with more litres across oct/Nov, so I'm fairly sure I won't bother with the 1st go. However do I hedge my bets and apply for the 2nd lot, Nov-jan, which I should be a comfy 10k litres down on last yr?

Dawggone · 08-09-2016 11:15PM

Timmaay wrote: »

I'm just teasing out the milk reduction thingy, I'll definitely be down on last year's dec/jan/Feb supply, due to ditching all the autumn calvers, so that's my best period to pick. However the big question is will there be any aid left by then?? If I apply for the oct-dec, at best I'll reduce by afew thousand litres (in Dec), however good chance I'll end up with more litres across oct/Nov, so I'm fairly sure I won't bother with the 1st go. However do I hedge my bets and apply for the 2nd lot, Nov-jan, which I should be a comfy 10k litres down on last yr?

No offence Tim but hedging should include (primarily) fixed price offers from your processor, not how to ride the dairy moan bailout...

There are times that I wonder why I bother. Not aimed at you Tim...

Navel gazing.

Word has it that there could be up to 24cpl available for dairy moaners here...I'll do my own business, as usual.

Edit.
Saw a banner at a roundabout the day before yesterday that translates something like.."Dairy moans as wheat burns". Apt.

mf240 · 08-09-2016 11:42PM

By complaining about complaining are you not doing the very thing that your were complaining about?http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/552034_370120616374283_244753448911001_1040718_165067675_n.jpg

Dawggone · 08-09-2016 11:51PM

mf240 wrote: »

By complaining about complaining are you not doing the very thing that your were complaining about?http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/552034_370120616374283_244753448911001_1040718_165067675_n.jpg

Hmmm..take two of those tablets three times daily at mealtimes....then take a long prolonged gaze at your navel (whilst pondering the injustice and cruelty of a free market) and scream to the world that your toys are about to be thrown out of the perambulator...

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Edit.

MF your logic wouldn't stand up in a crèche...not to mention a playground.

mf240 · 09-09-2016 12:10AM

Dawggone wrote: »

Hmmm..take two of those tablets three times daily at mealtimes....then take a long prolonged gaze at your navel (whilst pondering the injustice and cruelty of a free market) and scream to the world that your toys are about to be thrown out of the perambulator...

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Edit.

MF your logic wouldn't stand up in a crèche...not to mention a playground.

Very few milk related fights in the creche are price related:D

Timmaay · 09-09-2016 12:16AM

Dawggone wrote: »

No offence Tim but hedging should include (primarily) fixed price offers from your processor, not how to ride the dairy moan bailout...

I don't use the fixed price because I'm lowly borrowed and low labour bill, ie fairly well setup to ride out price drops as is. If this changes moving forward I'll reconsider definitely. Meanwhile it's a case of can I get the dairymoan to fund the ski h... Ok I'll stop now ha.

Dawggone · 09-09-2016 12:41AM

Timmaay wrote: »

I don't use the fixed price because I'm lowly borrowed and low labour bill, ie fairly well setup to ride out price drops as is. If this changes moving forward I'll reconsider definitely. Meanwhile it's a case of can I get the dairymoan to fund the ski h... Ok I'll stop now ha.

lol.
Thanks for your honesty.

In fairness Tim I'm probably a little tetchy because I've to tend to irrigation work shortly.
However when what looks like a genuine poster, Ozil10, posts what looks like a genuine enquiry, the only reply he gets is from yours truly.

Instead the thread heads off in the usual self centred, me feinism.
Jeez, and I've been called arrogant!

I'm, and the rest of the world,
are made well aware of the plight of dairy farmers and their God given right to a very comfortable living (inc ski holidays)...but this is supposed to be a resource for the good of dairy farmers. Forgive me if I see the opposite to the sense of entitlement seen on here.

Maybe dairy farmers would be better served promoting their produce, rather than constantly moaning about their plight in the global market (even though you screamed for the privilege to produce into that market).

Jesus wept.

Rant over.

yosemitesam1 · 09-09-2016 06:41AM

ozil10 wrote: »

Hey all.
Any advice would be appreciated,
Bit of a long story, but here it goes.
Spring calving herd 85 cows
We always mix barley through the dairy nuts at home.
Changed the nuts three weeks ago and there was too much barley in the nut and didn't balance with the barley so caused the cows dung to go very loose and was bubbles in the dung which would be acidosis and a big drop off in milk(cows averaging 13 litres from 21 within a week)
Anyways I took out the barley and gave the cows access to straw and the dung have firmed up considerably but milk yields haven't picked up.
Cows aren't grazing out paddocks at all so obviously drop in appetite and when resting , alot of cows aren't chewing the cud.
Took 6 dung samples last week and got results yesterday and all have rumen fluke
So more than likely have to drench them all with zanil
Already have lost alot of money with drop off in yields
Anybody experience this during lactation and how they dealt with it
Cheers in advance

How much meal were you feeding, is grass quality good, any silage in the diet, any buffer in the meal?

Injuryprone · 09-09-2016 07:10AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Forms came in the post for reduction scheme. Only for the first 3 months which I know I won't be under. Will send it in anyway as if it gets to later tranches I mat well be under previous years supply. Will give milk manager a shout in morning to clarify a few things. Peak management bonus and milk volume forecasting are unaffected by participation in scheme. Winter and liquid volume targets must still be met which is standard enough

If you send in this one, you won't be able to apply for another one until jan-mar.

Injuryprone · 09-09-2016 07:17AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

I've put in for max ,I've zero intention of reducing supply though .every dairy farmer in every coop should apply and imo for max ammount.give our coops a shock and keeps pressure on for them to pass back on market bounce for product which ic currently on the up .

Could be very foolish advice and IMO incredibly selfish. if it results in the scheme being oversubscribed, farmers that are actually going to reduce will only get a reaction of their allocation and loose out on money, all the while the money that's allocated to the likes of yourself won't get used at all. Of course if it doesn't get oversubscribed, then it doesn't matter

mahoney_j · 09-09-2016 08:03AM

Injuryprone wrote: »

Could be very foolish advice and IMO incredibly selfish. if it results in the scheme being oversubscribed, farmers that are actually going to reduce will only get a reaction of their allocation and loose out on money, all the while the money that's allocated to the likes of yourself won't get used at all. Of course if it doesn't get oversubscribed, then it doesn't matter

Are u that Glanbia rep out in Nigeria !!!!!!!,from my milk manager ,scheme runs for 3 months October to December .you apply for what u think u will reduce supply ,u cut the 20% on ewuivelant period in 2015 you may get the 14 cent .schemevends 31/12 .everyone who applies reduction in supply is then accesed to determine payement .firing in applications isn't foolish or selfish coops will know soon enough after 15 how much milk lads are PROPOSING to cut .they have contracts to fill so don't want supply dropping off a cliff .they have to pay to hold supply ,ball is in our court .use it

orm0nd · 09-09-2016 08:34AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Are u that Glanbia rep out in Nigeria !!!!!!!,from my milk manager ,scheme runs for 3 months October to December .you apply for what u think u will reduce supply ,u cut the 20% on ewuivelant period in 2015 you may get the 14 cent .schemevends 31/12 .everyone who applies reduction in supply is then accesed to determine payement .firing in applications isn't foolish or selfish coops will know soon enough after 15 how much milk lads are PROPOSING to cut .they have contracts to fill so don't want supply dropping off a cliff .they have to pay to hold supply ,ball is in our court .use it

if they wanted milk that badly they would have a winter bonus in place, they won't be ruffled by a few applications

most likely they're reading your posts on here and twitter & know your bluffing

mahoney_j · 09-09-2016 09:17AM

orm0nd wrote: »

if they wanted milk that badly they would have a winter bonus in place, they won't be ruffled by a few applications

most likely they're reading your posts on here and twitter & know your bluffing

There is a. Winter bonus in place (12c over base) and 2 c bonus for Dec Jan Feb if u supply 18% (I think)of peak minth supply .that tesco contract we got is sizeable and they want milk ,end of .i know of guys that got 50 k ltr liquid contract for comming winter .look pretty bad if we couldn't fill that and other contracts for next 6 months .bluffing or not they want milk and they will have to pay for it .last thing they want is supply falling off a cliff from October

OverRide · 09-09-2016 09:43AM

Meanwhile the balancing payment for the bps is in this morning,what was the delay?

mahoney_j · 09-09-2016 10:09AM

OverRide wrote: »

Meanwhile the balancing payment for the bps is in this morning,what was the delay?

Got mine months ago,back to supply reduction scheme ,that payement date is March/April 2017,won't shock me if it goes into may or June

Injuryprone · 09-09-2016 11:05AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Are u that Glanbia rep out in Nigeria !!!!!!!,from my milk manager ,scheme runs for 3 months October to December .you apply for what u think u will reduce supply ,u cut the 20% on ewuivelant period in 2015 you may get the 14 cent .schemevends 31/12 .everyone who applies reduction in supply is then accesed to determine payement .firing in applications isn't foolish or selfish coops will know soon enough after 15 how much milk lads are PROPOSING to cut .they have contracts to fill so don't want supply dropping off a cliff .they have to pay to hold supply ,ball is in our court .use it

You're taking advice on this scheme from your milk manager? Bit of a conflict of interest there don't you think. In fact, in the meantime while milking the cows this morning, I actually think the tactic you're proposing is great news for the processors.

If you took time to actually read the t&c's, you'd find out that the scheme is limited to a finite volume of milk (1.07m tonnes). IMO the best outcome for farmers would be if 1.07m tonnes of milk less is actually not produced and €150m ends up in the pockets of farmers.

If you apply for the scheme, part of the 1.07m tonnes will be allocated to you. This info will be released within days after the closing date. It may not be what you apply for, if scheme is over subscribed, your allocation will be reduced accordingly. Whatever litres are allocated to you can't be reallocated to anyone else as it'll be the middle of next Feb before we find out that you didn't reduce.

Meanwhile, someone who actually wants to reduce supply, might not get their full allocation and so might produce more than they would have otherwise, assuming that they only reduce by what they get allocated.

Of course, my whole argument is dependent on there being enough farmers across Europe to actually take up the full €1.07m tonnes. Every litre of the scheme that people like you take up, and end up not claiming, means more supply for the processors = good news for them. Are we sure you're not the Nigerian rep?

OverRide · 09-09-2016 11:09AM

Injuryprone wrote: »

You're taking advice on this scheme from your milk manager? Bit of a conflict of interest there don't you think. In fact, in the meantime while milking the cows this morning, I actually think the tactic you're proposing is great news for the processors.

If you took time to actually read the t&c's, you'd find out that the scheme is limited to a finite volume of milk (1.07m tonnes). IMO the best outcome for farmers would be if 1.07m tonnes of milk less is actually not produced and €150m ends up in the pockets of farmers.

If you apply for the scheme, part of the 1.07m tonnes will be allocated to you. This info will be released within days after the closing date. It may not be what you apply for, if scheme is over subscribed, your allocation will be reduced accordingly. Whatever litres are allocated to you can't be reallocated to anyone else as it'll be the middle of next Feb before we find out that you didn't reduce.

Meanwhile, someone who actually wants to reduce supply, might not get their full allocation and so might produce more than they would have otherwise, assuming that they only reduce by what they get allocated.

Of course, my whole argument is dependent on there being enough farmers across Europe to actually take up the full €1.07m tonnes. Every litre of the scheme that people like you take up, and end up not claiming, means more supply for the processors = good news for them. Are we sure you're not the Nigerian rep?

This times 1000

whelan2 · 09-09-2016 11:19AM

Had to laugh yesterday got a text from glanbia rep with a good price on teat sealers. So do they want us to dry them or not

mahoney_j · 09-09-2016 11:19AM

Injuryprone wrote: »

You're taking advice on this scheme from your milk manager? Bit of a conflict of interest there don't you think. In fact, in the meantime while milking the cows this morning, I actually think the tactic you're proposing is great news for the processors.

If you took time to actually read the t&c's, you'd find out that the scheme is limited to a finite volume of milk (1.07m tonnes). IMO the best outcome for farmers would be if 1.07m tonnes of milk less is actually not produced and €150m ends up in the pockets of farmers.

If you apply for the scheme, part of the 1.07m tonnes will be allocated to you. This info will be released within days after the closing date. It may not be what you apply for, if scheme is over subscribed, your allocation will be reduced accordingly. Whatever litres are allocated to you can't be reallocated to anyone else as it'll be the middle of next Feb before we find out that you didn't reduce.

Meanwhile, someone who actually wants to reduce supply, might not get their full allocation and so might produce more than they would have otherwise, assuming that they only reduce by what they get allocated.

Of course, my whole argument is dependent on there being enough farmers across Europe to actually take up the full €1.07m tonnes. Every litre of the scheme that people like you take up, and end up not claiming, means more supply for the processors = good news for them. Are we sure you're not the Nigerian rep?

I asked the questions but am my own man ,final decision is mine .an application is just that ,final volumes won't be known till last day December then an applicants volume and subsequent price for reducing that volume is determined .you won't know how much of your volume reduction will be paid at 14 c till next spring and payement for that March April and proably later known dept .this was confirmed to me by coop and 2 other sources as I've said coops don't want this scheme heavily subscribed as they have contracts to fill .theyll know fairly soon how much lads are proposing to drop ,this keeps the pressure on them to keep price rise momentum going they can't risk supply dropping .from a selfish point of view I hope loads of lads drop production .im willing to milk on as normal to 20/12 as usual and start drying off from 01/12 .my solids are rising,grass and bales in abundance .

whelan2 · 09-09-2016 11:22AM

OverRide wrote: »

Meanwhile the balancing payment for the bps is in this morning,what was the delay?

I am not sure what it is normally there's a big fanfare over every payment we get. Got balancing payment in June

Injuryprone · 09-09-2016 12:01PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

I asked the questions but am my own man ,final decision is mine .an application is just that ,final volumes won't be known till last day December then an applicants volume and subsequent price for reducing that volume is determined .you won't know how much of your volume reduction will be paid at 14 c till next spring and payement for that March April and proably later known dept .this was confirmed to me by coop and 2 other sources as I've said coops don't want this scheme heavily subscribed as they have contracts to fill .theyll know fairly soon how much lads are proposing to drop ,this keeps the pressure on them to keep price rise momentum going they can't risk supply dropping .from a selfish point of view I hope loads of lads drop production .im willing to milk on as normal to 20/12 as usual and start drying off from 01/12 .my solids are rising,grass and bales in abundance .

With all due respect, you and your 3 sources couldn't be more wrong. Let's say you put in your application next week to reduce by 100,000l. If it's undersubscribed, everyone gets what they want, you're allocated €14,000 and there's some left over for further schemes. If it's oversubscribed, eu and dafm will publish a coefficient the following week. If the coefficient is 90% as in the example, then you're allocated €12,600 but you can produce an extra 10,000l.

But that's your allocation. So long a you fulfill the supply reduction and fill out the claim form to prove it next Jan, then you're guaranteed your allocation. Don't know where you got this story of "reduce now, wait til the new year to find out how much of the reduction you'll be paid for". I mean how could any businessman take such a gamble with their livelihood?

mahoney_j · 09-09-2016 12:10PM

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