Mooooo wrote: » That's it basically it's based on last year's supply. Only way anyone that expanded could do it is possibly once aday or dry off a chunk of the herd early. Then depending on whether conditions I think if you can keep the cows on grass and something like 3kg of meal it may work out better than the scheme. If a lot of silage comes in to diet I think the scheme may break even against producing it then. All depends on weather, circumstances etc if it'll work out for each person
OverRide wrote: » Arrrgh whelan But at least the heifers alright and you get to see another smasher in the parlour at a time when price is finally on the up Edit thought it was a heifer you calved
Timmaay wrote: » I'm just teasing out the milk reduction thingy, I'll definitely be down on last year's dec/jan/Feb supply, due to ditching all the autumn calvers, so that's my best period to pick. However the big question is will there be any aid left by then?? If I apply for the oct-dec, at best I'll reduce by afew thousand litres (in Dec), however good chance I'll end up with more litres across oct/Nov, so I'm fairly sure I won't bother with the 1st go. However do I hedge my bets and apply for the 2nd lot, Nov-jan, which I should be a comfy 10k litres down on last yr?
mf240 wrote: » By complaining about complaining are you not doing the very thing that your were complaining about?http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/552034_370120616374283_244753448911001_1040718_165067675_n.jpg
Dawggone wrote: » Hmmm..take two of those tablets three times daily at mealtimes....then take a long prolonged gaze at your navel (whilst pondering the injustice and cruelty of a free market) and scream to the world that your toys are about to be thrown out of the perambulator... Like. Edit. MF your logic wouldn't stand up in a crèche...not to mention a playground.
Dawggone wrote: » No offence Tim but hedging should include (primarily) fixed price offers from your processor, not how to ride the dairy moan bailout...
Timmaay wrote: » I don't use the fixed price because I'm lowly borrowed and low labour bill, ie fairly well setup to ride out price drops as is. If this changes moving forward I'll reconsider definitely. Meanwhile it's a case of can I get the dairymoan to fund the ski h... Ok I'll stop now ha.
ozil10 wrote: » Hey all. Any advice would be appreciated, Bit of a long story, but here it goes. Spring calving herd 85 cows We always mix barley through the dairy nuts at home. Changed the nuts three weeks ago and there was too much barley in the nut and didn't balance with the barley so caused the cows dung to go very loose and was bubbles in the dung which would be acidosis and a big drop off in milk(cows averaging 13 litres from 21 within a week) Anyways I took out the barley and gave the cows access to straw and the dung have firmed up considerably but milk yields haven't picked up. Cows aren't grazing out paddocks at all so obviously drop in appetite and when resting , alot of cows aren't chewing the cud. Took 6 dung samples last week and got results yesterday and all have rumen fluke So more than likely have to drench them all with zanil Already have lost alot of money with drop off in yields Anybody experience this during lactation and how they dealt with it Cheers in advance
Mooooo wrote: » Forms came in the post for reduction scheme. Only for the first 3 months which I know I won't be under. Will send it in anyway as if it gets to later tranches I mat well be under previous years supply. Will give milk manager a shout in morning to clarify a few things. Peak management bonus and milk volume forecasting are unaffected by participation in scheme. Winter and liquid volume targets must still be met which is standard enough
mahoney_j wrote: » I've put in for max ,I've zero intention of reducing supply though .every dairy farmer in every coop should apply and imo for max ammount.give our coops a shock and keeps pressure on for them to pass back on market bounce for product which ic currently on the up .
Injuryprone wrote: » Could be very foolish advice and IMO incredibly selfish. if it results in the scheme being oversubscribed, farmers that are actually going to reduce will only get a reaction of their allocation and loose out on money, all the while the money that's allocated to the likes of yourself won't get used at all. Of course if it doesn't get oversubscribed, then it doesn't matter
mahoney_j wrote: » Are u that Glanbia rep out in Nigeria !!!!!!!,from my milk manager ,scheme runs for 3 months October to December .you apply for what u think u will reduce supply ,u cut the 20% on ewuivelant period in 2015 you may get the 14 cent .schemevends 31/12 .everyone who applies reduction in supply is then accesed to determine payement .firing in applications isn't foolish or selfish coops will know soon enough after 15 how much milk lads are PROPOSING to cut .they have contracts to fill so don't want supply dropping off a cliff .they have to pay to hold supply ,ball is in our court .use it
orm0nd wrote: » if they wanted milk that badly they would have a winter bonus in place, they won't be ruffled by a few applications most likely they're reading your posts on here and twitter & know your bluffing
OverRide wrote: » Meanwhile the balancing payment for the bps is in this morning,what was the delay?
Injuryprone wrote: » You're taking advice on this scheme from your milk manager? Bit of a conflict of interest there don't you think. In fact, in the meantime while milking the cows this morning, I actually think the tactic you're proposing is great news for the processors. If you took time to actually read the t&c's, you'd find out that the scheme is limited to a finite volume of milk (1.07m tonnes). IMO the best outcome for farmers would be if 1.07m tonnes of milk less is actually not produced and €150m ends up in the pockets of farmers. If you apply for the scheme, part of the 1.07m tonnes will be allocated to you. This info will be released within days after the closing date. It may not be what you apply for, if scheme is over subscribed, your allocation will be reduced accordingly. Whatever litres are allocated to you can't be reallocated to anyone else as it'll be the middle of next Feb before we find out that you didn't reduce. Meanwhile, someone who actually wants to reduce supply, might not get their full allocation and so might produce more than they would have otherwise, assuming that they only reduce by what they get allocated. Of course, my whole argument is dependent on there being enough farmers across Europe to actually take up the full €1.07m tonnes. Every litre of the scheme that people like you take up, and end up not claiming, means more supply for the processors = good news for them. Are we sure you're not the Nigerian rep?
mahoney_j wrote: » I asked the questions but am my own man ,final decision is mine .an application is just that ,final volumes won't be known till last day December then an applicants volume and subsequent price for reducing that volume is determined .you won't know how much of your volume reduction will be paid at 14 c till next spring and payement for that March April and proably later known dept .this was confirmed to me by coop and 2 other sources as I've said coops don't want this scheme heavily subscribed as they have contracts to fill .theyll know fairly soon how much lads are proposing to drop ,this keeps the pressure on them to keep price rise momentum going they can't risk supply dropping .from a selfish point of view I hope loads of lads drop production .im willing to milk on as normal to 20/12 as usual and start drying off from 01/12 .my solids are rising,grass and bales in abundance .
