Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

wonderfullife · 31-08-2016 05:37PM

finglashoop wrote: »

Really? Lawler.had a hell of a chin, which may be done for now, id fancy cerrone if his striking is as crisp as the story fight.

Its amazing how little credit cerrone gets. He literally fights anyone at any time as many times as he can.

As Nate Diaz alluded to, part of the reason Cerrone gets no credit among his peers is that he's so willing to fight so often for so little money.

Even the fact he signed an 8-fight deal sums him up.

On paper it might seem a wise move but it doesn't help leverage the UFC into higher wages.

The only way the UFC is gonna increase salary across the board is if fighters run down their contract and the UFC is actually forced to compete with Bellator, WSOF and One FC.

Then we'll see more Rory Mac's going to Bellator and more of the Cerrone types being re-signed by the UFC on considerably better terms.

Cerrone is a great fighter and he only really has losses on his record to the best of the best.....

It's his attitude towards fighting and getting paid that doesn't sit well with fellow pros.

In terms of fans, when he starts calling people "fag*ots" and stuff that really does little to enhance him.

Like a lot of other fighters, less talk and more Mortal Kombat combinations are what's needed.

finglashoop · 31-08-2016 07:37PM

TimRiggins wrote: »

No way should he get Alvarez next. Eddie should fight Khabib but is likely going to fight Conor. Cowboy's last fight at LW was a title shot that he lost in a minute. Winning 3 fights at WW hardly warrants a LW title shot.

Maybe it.should be khabib. But cerrone before mcgregor

Tazzimus · 31-08-2016 08:03PM

TimRiggins wrote: »

No way should he get Alvarez next. Eddie should fight Khabib but is likely going to fight Conor. Cowboy's last fight at LW was a title shot that he lost in a minute. Winning 3 fights at WW hardly warrants a LW title shot.

Alvarez will avoid Khabib like he has leprosy.
He'll push for the Conor fight cos he thinks it'll be easier

cloudatlas · 31-08-2016 08:23PM

I see Chad Mendes is vlogging now everyone is copying Conor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qANputUs3uI

xtal191 · 31-08-2016 09:32PM

Conor wasn't the first fighter to do a vlog

cloudatlas · 31-08-2016 09:50PM

xtal191 wrote: »

Conor wasn't the first fighter to do a vlog

Well Nate and Chad seemed to have started theirs very recently.

CatFromHue · 31-08-2016 10:39PM

I got the vibe that Nate and Conor's were set up to help promote their fight without actually doing promotion, if that makes sense.

They both have great sound tracks too.

CM24 · 01-09-2016 12:31AM

I think Overeem's ''The Reem'' series was the original, and best IMO. The production qualities are amazing.

StringerBell · 01-09-2016 01:06AM

I see White has been spinning it, he is saying in no way will Conor be stripped of the belt, that he will make the decision himself, to give it up voluntarily or defend it. Which of course translates to the same message as always, defend it v Aldo or lose the title but placing the emphasis firmly on McGregor.

Seems pretty clear the UFC won't be backing down in this one, the smart move if he wants to be a two weight champ is to go defend it, and then 55 title shot if he is successful, if it means that much to him its worth the cut one last time, if not just let it go. He can retire the belt while never being beaten in the division and his legacy is intact, of course it would be better if he had a defence or two, but its not the end of the world.

I think he needs to beat a top 5 LW, in a LW fight before he gets a shot as is, but of course I do expect him to be jumped to the top of the queue. He has earned the right to choose his path, and it is obviously a big decision, it comes down to whether they feel he can make that cut again. He has never missed weight yet so you would be hard pressed to bet against him in that regard and it looks like a big task for any of the FW's to beat him, up to him whether he wants to put himself through it or not.

JJayoo · 01-09-2016 01:09AM

xtal191 wrote: »

Conor wasn't the first fighter to do a vlog

Don't you dare state facts, Conor is God and he invented everything that exists.

GerryDerpy · 01-09-2016 06:34PM

There is really no difference if Conor gives up the FW belt.

If he wants to be FW + LW champ at the same time he has to beat Aldo and Alvarez. The order doesn't matter. Beat Alvarez first and then he can win the belt back off Aldo. Simples!

StringerBell · 01-09-2016 09:35PM

That is another option alright.

EagererBeaver · 01-09-2016 09:37PM

StringerBell wrote: »

That is another option alright.

Honestly though, could you see him relinquishing, fighting at LW and then deciding to go down? Never happen in my view.

wonderfullife · 01-09-2016 09:45PM

StringerBell wrote: »

I see White has been spinning it, he is saying in no way will Conor be stripped of the belt, that he will make the decision himself, to give it up voluntarily or defend it. Which of course translates to the same message as always, defend it v Aldo or lose the title but placing the emphasis firmly on McGregor.

Seems pretty clear the UFC won't be backing down in this one, the smart move if he wants to be a two weight champ is to go defend it, and then 55 title shot if he is successful, if it means that much to him its worth the cut one last time, if not just let it go. He can retire the belt while never being beaten in the division and his legacy is intact, of course it would be better if he had a defence or two, but its not the end of the world.

I think he needs to beat a top 5 LW, in a LW fight before he gets a shot as is, but of course I do expect him to be jumped to the top of the queue. He has earned the right to choose his path, and it is obviously a big decision, it comes down to whether they feel he can make that cut again. He has never missed weight yet so you would be hard pressed to bet against him in that regard and it looks like a big task for any of the FW's to beat him, up to him whether he wants to put himself through it or not.

The UFC will back down - Dana isn't a moron.

Let's recall post-194, Conor was adamant he'd be keeping the FW strap if he goes after RDA's title. Dave Sholler, on behalf of Dana, said he'd be stripped.

Conor won that battle.

Then came the UFC 200 debacle. Hindsight is 20-20, but we really only have the public narrative on this. Which is - Conor didn't want to go to the presser in LV and they stripped him.

I would most certainly not put it above Conor (or Dana) for that to be a manufactured incident. Or at least spun to maximum effect. I've no doubt they had a disagreement on the Presser but deep down Conor needed more time, and Dana probably crunched some numbers; with Conor on 200 there was an outside chance of a 2m PPV buy. Put Conor on a later card (202) and 200+202 combined does between 2.2 and 2.7m PPV depending what estimates you go with.

He's already backing down saying Conor won't be stripped.

To my mind, what this is saying is the following:

If Conor fights Eddie, they will bill the fight as champion v champion.

If Conor wins, he's the 2-division champion. If he loses, he's the FW champion.

In the event he beats Eddie, they will then in the aftermath hold a Presser where Conor lets go of the 145 belt and basically says he's already wiped out the bums in FW and if a contender rises up he'll go back down and take care of him.

Remember - the UFC were open in March to Conor being a 2-division champion and retaining both belts.

The only thing that has changed since early March is Conor (with the help of Nate) has brought in $100 million to the company in PPV alone, and $15 million gate.

One man, Conor, is responsible for over 33% of all income made by the UFC in 2016 according to Dave Meltzer. Given it's a 600 athlete roster that speaks volumes.

The UFC will back down. At least a fudge.

StringerBell · 01-09-2016 10:11PM

I wouldn't be so sure. I will give you a detailed response later

Muahahaha · 01-09-2016 10:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Aldo can beat Conor if he has a good game plan, Khabib could beat him also... now in saying that I also believe Conor could also beat both of them.

Aldo has been undefeated champions for so long and lost the first fight in 13 seconds. He has now beat Edgar and is now Interim champion and Conor hasn't defended the belt once, for Conors camp to say that there is no challenges at featherweight is bs. I would love to see Conor v Aldo 2 because I think it would be a much better fight, now I would put Conor as favourite but for sure Aldo could win that fight. Everyone seems to be forgetting just who Aldo is and how good he is.

Id say the danger for Conor in an Aldo rematch is that fact he KOed him in 13 seconds. It would be his most frequently used retort in all the fight build up and a likely world tour to promote it. Although the 13 second thing can never be taken away from Conor if he falls into a mindset that the Aldo rematch is going to be that easy then his camp might not go so well. Its actually a very dangerous match up for Conor in that you have a former champ who is hurting for revenge and a current champ who coming off the back of the Diaz fight may well underestimate just how hard Aldo 2 would be.

wonderfullife · 02-09-2016 02:17AM

I really just want Conor to take fresh fights where he has something to gain from them.

The Nate rematch he had very little to gain. If he lost, he would have taken a massive hit both reputation and drawing power. If he won, he'd have everybody saying Nate is an average, journeyman LW with a 19-11 record.

An Aldo rematch is similar. Not a whole lot to gain. If he loses, people then chalk the 13-sec KO down to a "lucky punch" (which is stupid). If he wins, meh he just proves he can beat the same guy twice.

He needs fights where he has something to gain. Alvarez is the perfect fight. He has everything to gain - a belt and proving he can beat a full camp wrestler/volume fighter.

There's other ones out of left field - Cruz or Pettis at 145, GSP at 160, Woodley at 170. All very unlikely but at least he has something to gain in all those hypotheticals.

Continuing to go back to Nate and Aldo is a no-win other than financially.

Mellor · 02-09-2016 03:53AM

What Conor has to gain has no real impact for the fans. Only Conor.
The fans should want to see exciting fights, and fights between the top guys in a division.
Nate was the former.
Aldo is the latter.

Cruz and Pettis have the potential to be the former down the line. But I think Conor will be focused on LW then.
GSP would be 5 rounds of Conor being manhandled. Serves no purpose for me.
Woodley at 170. Not sure if that one was serious.

Tigger · 02-09-2016 04:43AM

StringerBell wrote: »

I think he needs to beat a top 5 LW, in a LW fight before he gets a shot as is, but of course I do expect him to be jumped to the top of the queue..

Diaz is #5 and beating him at 170 is harder than 155
the ufc want Conor to beat alveraz and then fight gsp
then gsp fights whoever is ww champ
superfights is where its at
household names fighting each other

Dtp1979 · 02-09-2016 08:06AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Id say the danger for Conor in an Aldo rematch is that fact he KOed him in 13 seconds. It would be his most frequently used retort in all the fight build up and a likely world tour to promote it. Although the 13 second thing can never be taken away from Conor if he falls into a mindset that the Aldo rematch is going to be that easy then his camp might not go so well. Its actually a very dangerous match up for Conor in that you have a former champ who is hurting for revenge and a current champ who coming off the back of the Diaz fight may well underestimate just how hard Aldo 2 would be.

Exactly. Look at Cain Velasquez V junior dos anjos 1

Dtp1979 · 02-09-2016 08:08AM

Tigger wrote: »

Diaz is #5 and beating him at 170 is harder than 155
the ufc want Conor to beat alveraz and then fight gsp
then gsp fights whoever is ww champ
superfights is where its at
household names fighting each other

Conor v GSP? Are you crazy?

Mr. Manager · 02-09-2016 08:21AM

Mellor wrote: »

What Conor has to gain has no real impact for the fans. Only Conor.
The fans should want to see exciting fights, and fights between the top guys in a division.
Nate was the former.
Aldo is the latter.

Cruz and Pettis have the potential to be the former down the line. But I think Conor will be focused on LW then.
GSP would be 5 rounds of Conor being manhandled. Serves no purpose for me.
Woodley at 170. Not sure if that one was serious.

I'm not to bothered about the exciting part but more the relevance. Conor's last fight irked me so f*king much. Totally pointless fight.

Can't see Conor battling for the belt at 170 so would like to see him make 155 his new home or go back to 145 and fight Cruz. That's a fight I'd absolutely love to see.

EagererBeaver · 02-09-2016 08:50AM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Conor v GSP? Are you crazy?

There's been some unsubstantiated rumour about it this week, talking about a fight at 205, which would mean GSP would require a USADA exemption. One of many reasons that fight shouldn't happen!

finglashoop · 02-09-2016 09:16AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

There's been some unsubstantiated rumour about it this week, talking about a fight at 205, which would mean GSP would require a USADA exemption. One of many reasons that fight shouldn't happen!

Did GSP not say he will refuse an exemption?

TherapyBoy · 02-09-2016 10:25AM

As a Conor fan I'd like to see him do the two belts thing, so I think the best option is drop to 145 & defend against Aldo. Solidify his place as the King of 145 then have a go at whoever is holding the 155 title at that stage. If he can win the lightweight belt he can immediately drop the 145 title & still put his name in the record books as the only fighter to hold 2 UFC belts simultaneously.

Ush1 · 02-09-2016 10:46AM

Cerrone is fighting Lawlor it looks like, I'm fairly confident Conor vs Alvarez will happen.

Outlaw Pete · 02-09-2016 10:57AM

xtal191 wrote: »

Conor wasn't the first fighter to do a vlog

....but when he did ...he perfected it.

Sounds like the perfect tag line for The Mac Life.

Just listening to Chael Sonnen and some other cat interviewing a stoned Nate and the convo at one point goes:

We gotta make this third fight brother, even if it's in his back yard, what do they call that place, Croke Park?
Nate: Is that where he lives, Croke Park?
He's always talking about some park.
Chael: That's the big stadium in Ireland
You don't care where it's at, do ya?
Nate: Ah no, eh, I like California, personally.

rob316 · 02-09-2016 10:58AM

A loss to Aldo would kill his momentum again and do more damage than his loss to Diaz, so fighting at 145 is a big risk. Then again if he does defend it successfully, goes on and fight's the 155 holder and wins he will go down as one of the greatest.

If he fights Alvarez, vacates the belt and loses he will have to go back down to 145 and fight Aldo again for the FW belt. That would be a huge draw still so he does have that to fall back on. He could go on from there again and have a go at LW but he would have to fight a few contenders first before earning another LW shot.

He needs to decide how bad does he want to hold 2 belts at once.

I do think he could beat Aldo again and I certainly think he would beat Alvarez.

Lukker- · 02-09-2016 02:08PM

If he fights at 145 again it's going to be Aldo. If his next fight is at 55, I don't think we'll see him at 145 ever again.

Tigger · 02-09-2016 02:44PM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Conor v GSP? Are you crazy?

http://www.kimura.se/rykte-conor-mcgregor-moter-georges-st-pierre-i-new-york/

that s supposed to be why GSP was at 196

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