Ireland Under 20 2017 6 Nations/Junior World Cup

The Lost Sheep · 13-07-2016 10:20pm #1

Ireland finished 2nd in the 2016 Junior World Cup after a fantastic world cup which followed a mixed 6 Nations where the teams results got better the longer the tournament went on.

As their is not a full under 20 interprovincial series now and it has been replaced by a development series which may see some players overage for under 20 play I will list the interprovincial series for that as well as the Under 19 interprovincial series.

Development Squad Fixtures
Friday, 9th September
Munster v Connacht, Ulster v Leinster
Friday, 16th September
Munster v Ulster, Connacht v Leinster
Friday, 23rd September
Leinster v Munster, Ulster v Connacht

Under 19 Fixtures
Saturday, 3rd September
Munster v Connacht, Ulster v Leinster
Saturday, 10th September
Munster v Ulster, Connacht v Leinster
Saturday, 17th September
Leinster v Munster, Ulster v Connacht

The 2017 Junior World Cup takes place in Georgia and the groups are below(based upon seedings from the 2016 competition)
Pool 1: England, Australia, Wales, Samoa
Pool 2: Ireland, NZ, Scotland, Italy
Pool 3: Argentina, South Africa, France, Georgia

Cillian Gallagher (Second Row), Niall Saunders (Scrum Half), Bill Johnston (Out Half) and Johnny McPhillips (Out Half) have already played for the Under 20s and are underage for the 2017 competition

The Lost Sheep · 17-08-2016 4:11pm

Connacht u19/20s/Dev played Corinthians last night in Galway.
Munster u19s beat a Nenagh XV on Monday night

Tarf1234 · 17-08-2016 4:50pm

Apparently the Leinster side is effectively going to be all under 20s bar 2 or 3 who are just over and missed last year.

The Lost Sheep · 17-08-2016 4:53pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Apparently the Leinster side is effectively going to be all under 20s bar 2 or 3 who are just over and missed last year.

No surprise with that. Leinster will or should have greatest strength in depth and will keep to virtually an under 20s side most years. Connacht probably will have most over 20s

Tarf1234 · 17-08-2016 4:56pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Apparently the Leinster side is effectively going to be all under 20s bar 2 or 3 who are just over and missed last year.

No surprise with that. Leinster will or should have greatest strength in depth and will keep to virtually an under 20s side most years. Connacht probably will have most over 20s

Ye, I heard that Connacht will potentially have a few of the A guys from last year.

The Lost Sheep · 17-08-2016 5:01pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Ye, I heard that Connacht will potentially have a few of the A guys from last year.

It will likely have a few guys a year or two over 20s
Munster have a few involved who're over 20s as well. Judging from pics of squads ive seen

Hagz · 17-08-2016 5:08pm

I'm confused. If they're over 20, how are they eligible to play u20s?

Is the interpro age parameters different to the international scene?

The Lost Sheep · 17-08-2016 5:11pm

Hagz wrote: »

I'm confused. If they're over 20, how are they eligible to play u20s?

Is the interpro age parameters different to the international scene?

The 20s interpros are gone. They have been replaced by a development squad interpro series. Some provinces will stick more like to the 20s age grade. Others mightn't as much and have players 1/2/3 years older playing in the development series.

Stainalert · 17-08-2016 5:20pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The 20s interpros are gone. They have been replaced by a development squad interpro series. Some provinces will stick more like to the 20s age grade. Others mightn't as much and have players 1/2/3 years older playing in the development series.

This seems like a backward step to me - surely it makes more sense for a bigger number of players to be given the opportunity to show what they can at a higher representative level. Anyone privy to the counter argument?

The Lost Sheep · 17-08-2016 5:25pm

Stainalert wrote: »

This seems like a backward step to me - surely it makes more sense for a bigger number of players to be given the opportunity to show what they can at a higher representative level. Anyone privy to the counter argument?

It widens the pool for provinces to look at older players for development contracts etc
Its too hard to say if its a backward step when games haven't been played yet. We don't know the make up of these squads yet. We may see more guys not playing up a year from under 19s and then others at older ages filling in for the development series

Stainalert · 17-08-2016 5:32pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It widens the pool for provinces to look at older players for development contracts etc
Its too hard to say if its a backward step when games haven't been played yet. We don't know the make up of these squads yet. We may see more guys not playing up a year from under 19s and then others at older ages filling in for the development series

I don't think it widens the pool as from I have heard the teams will be made up of 20's players and academy players. To me it looks like it just got a lot harder for an aspiring U'20 to impress as he has to compete with academy players for the opportunity to play.

The Lost Sheep · 17-08-2016 5:43pm

Stainalert wrote: »

I don't think it widens the pool as from I have heard the teams will be made up of 20's players and academy players. To me it looks like it just got a lot harder for an aspiring U'20 to impress as he has to compete with academy players for the opportunity to play.

Well from pics and games ive seen. There is some guys 2-3 years overage for under 20 this season playing. Who have played age grade before and were playing club rugby for a while. Cronan Gleeson ex Irish youth, Munster 18s-20s and has played pro/semi pro in England/France has been involved in Munster squad for example.

Tarf1234 · 19-08-2016 8:38am

I'm undecided on it. I can see both sides of the argument as it will give players an extra chance if they were injured out of form for a year to play again. However, it may cut down the number of people who get to play in it overall.

The Lost Sheep · 19-08-2016 9:07pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

I'm undecided on it. I can see both sides of the argument as it will give players an extra chance if they were injured out of form for a year to play again. However, it may cut down the number of people who get to play in it overall.

May cut number of 20s playing in some places but hard to know. Connacht side are playing tomorrow and i will be there watching. So can see if there's many 20s or over playing. If it improves overall standards then surely its a good thing for the 20s?
There isnt strict u20 competitions in quite a few other countries so it isnt as much an issue as some are making it out to be

The Lost Sheep · 21-08-2016 2:02pm

Leinster league qualifiers groups made.
U20 league
Pre qualifier playoffs
Ashbourne v Suttonians, Seapoint v Wanderers
JP Fanagan 1/2 Qualifier
Section A
MU Barnhall, Naas, Navan, Trinity
Section B
Old Belvedere, UCD, St Marys, Buccaneers
Section C
Blackrock, Lansdowne, NUIG, Greystones
Section D
playoff winner, Old Wesley, Terenure, Clontarf

Munster leagues not confirmed yet. Only North Munster league has fixtures published.
Section A: Young Munster, Thurles, Thomond, Old Crescent, Nenagh, Newcastle West
Section B: Shannon, Garryowen, UL Bohemians, Bruff, St Senans

bilston · 21-08-2016 4:17pm

Rob Lyttle, who I think is eligible for the Irish U20s this year scored 2 tries for Ulster against Exeter yesterday.

Was he in the JWC squad in June?

The Lost Sheep · 21-08-2016 4:28pm

bilston wrote: »

Rob Lyttle, who I think is eligible for the Irish U20s this year scored 2 tries for Ulster against Exeter yesterday.

Was he in the JWC squad in June?

He wasn't. Had been called up for part of 6 Nations but didn't get any game time

rughug · 23-08-2016 11:40am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

He wasn't. Had been called up for part of 6 Nations but didn't get any game time

Lost Sheep, in your first post 1 month ago you gave dates of the u20/ development squad interpro series on Sept. 9, 16, and 23. The Munster rugby site has them as Sept 2, 9 and 16. You have a lot of sources to clarify this . Can you please confirm ?

The Lost Sheep · 23-08-2016 11:41am

rughug wrote: »

Lost Sheep, in your first post 1 month ago you gave dates of the u20/ development squad interpro series on Sept. 9, 16, and 23. The Munster rugby site has them as Sept 2, 9 and 16. You have a lot of sources to clarify this. Can you please confirm?

Check on the provincial websites yourself as they could be 2nd/9th/16th.

The Lost Sheep · 01-09-2016 1:22pm

Under 19 and Development Interpro games start this weekend.
Teams beginning to be named
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/15177.php#.V8gcCU2V_cs
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/15179.php#.V8gcBE2V_cs

Leinster U20 Combined & Development squad
Jack Kelly (St Michaels), Jordan Larmour (St Andrews), Gavin Mullin (Blackrock College), Jimmy O'Brien (UCD RFC), Jack Power (Clontarf FC), Conor Dean (Blackrock College), Charlie Rock (Old Belvedere RFC)
Greg McGrath (Lansdowne), Tadgh McElroy (Lansdowne), Óisín Heffernan (Terenure), Caelan Dorris (Blackrock), Josh Murphy (UCD), Will Connors (UCD), Barry Fitzpatrick (St Michaels), Paul Boyle (Lansdowne)
Replacements:
Sean McNulty (UCD), Martin Mulhall (Lansdowne), Vakh Abdaladze (Clontarf), Conor Hand (Navan), Ruairí O'Farrell (Lansdowne), Ciarán Frawley (Skerries), Conor O'Brien (Clontarf), Tim Carroll (UCD RFC)

Leinster U19s, sponsored by Bank of Ireland
Peter Hastie (Wicklow), Peter Sullivan (St. Andrews), Sean O'Brien (Mullingar), James Hickey (St. Michaels), Michael Silvester (Clongowes), Josh Miller (Kilkenny College), Patrick Patterson (Blackrock College)
Eoghan Clarke (CBC Monkstown), Cathal Duff (Clongowes), Jack Aungier (Suttonians/St. Fintans Sutton), Jack Dunne (St. Michaels), Aaron Browne (Cistercian Roscrea), Ruadhan McDonnell (Longford), Max Kearney (Belvedere College), Paddy Ryan (Newbridge College)
Replacements:
Daniel Shehan (Clongowes), Jordan Duggan (Newbridge College), Evan Coyle (Gonzaga College), JJ O'Dea (Navan), William Fay (CBC Monkstown), Tim Murphy (Newbridge College), Thomas O'Callaghan (CBC Monkstown), Hugh O'Sullivan (Belvedere College)

Tarf1234 · 01-09-2016 1:29pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Under 19 and Development Interpro games start this weekend.
Teams beginning to be named
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/15177.php#.V8gcCU2V_cs
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/15179.php#.V8gcBE2V_cs

Leinster U20 Combined & Development squad
Jack Kelly (St Michaels), Jordan Larmour (St Andrews), Gavin Mullin (Blackrock College), Jimmy O'Brien (UCD RFC), Jack Power (Clontarf FC), Conor Dean (Blackrock College), Charlie Rock (Old Belvedere RFC)
Greg McGrath (Lansdowne), Tadgh McElroy (Lansdowne), is n Heffernan (Terenure), Caelan Dorris (Blackrock), Josh Murphy (UCD), Will Connors (UCD), Barry Fitzpatrick (St Michaels), Paul Boyle (Lansdowne)
Replacements:
Sean McNulty (UCD), Martin Mulhall (Lansdowne), Vakh Abdaladze (Clontarf), Conor Hand (Navan), Ruair O'Farrell (Lansdowne), Ciar n Frawley (Skerries), Conor O'Brien (Clontarf), Tim Carroll (UCD RFC)

Not what I was expecting at all. Very surprised to see Josh Murphy, Sean McNulty, COB and is n Heffernan in particular. Odd split of 4/4 on the bench as well. I thought Ruair O'Farrell had left the system as well.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:30pm

Only 11 players in Leinster u20 squad are eligible for Ireland u20.
9 players who played for Ireland u19 last season missing from that Leinster squad.

Prop: Richie Mouatt (Blackrock College)
Prop: Michael McCormack (St Mary's College)
Hooker: Conor Maguire (Boyne RFC)
Lock: Jack Regan (Birr RFC)
Lock: Oisin Dowling (St. Michael's College)
Backrow: Tom de Jongh (Belvedere College)
Backrow: Johnny Guy (St. Andrews)
Centre: Michael McDermott (Clongowes Wood)
Wing: James McKeown (Belvedere College)

Can't help but feel this bringing in players from above u20 is a bad idea.

1. Connacht pull out due to not having enough players?
2. Large numbers of u20 eligible players who have trained all summer, not playing in interpros.

Tarf1234 · 01-09-2016 1:31pm

greg090 wrote: »

Only 11 players in Leinster u20 squad are eligible for Ireland u20..

Very odd.. Can't see the logic behind it. I understand wanting to give a couple of guys who are overage a chance but this seems excessive.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:33pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Very odd.. Can't see the logic behind it. I understand wanting to give a couple of guys who are overage a chance but this seems excessive.

its awful, its meant to make the interpros more competitive but connacht aren't playing and it's basically become interpros for players under-22.

irishbucsfan · 01-09-2016 1:33pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Very odd.. Can't see the logic behind it. I understand wanting to give a couple of guys who are overage a chance but this seems excessive.

I think the idea is to give Academy players more rugby outside of the B&I Cup. Much to the dismay of AIL coaches I'm sure.

Not sure I like the idea myself, surely is going to negatively affect the u20 national side.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:35pm

an u20 squad travelled to france last week to play warm up games, they returned and half the squad was told they weren't need for the interpros.. couldn't make it up.

The Lost Sheep · 01-09-2016 1:36pm

greg090 wrote: »

Only 11 players in Leinster u20 squad are eligible for Ireland u20.
9 players who played for Ireland u19 last season missing from that Leinster squad.

Can't help but feel this bringing in players from above u20 is a bad idea.

1. Connacht pull out due to not having enough players?
2. Large numbers of u20 eligible players who have trained all summer, not included in interpros.

Why is it such a bad idea that over 20s are playing when it should increase playing standards. The best 20s will still be playing and will now be tested more than before. You may see less 19s playing 20s/development which improves standards of 19s competition and it opens door for guys who may have been missed at 20s for another chance.
20s interpros games are just 6 games in a long season of development and this helps things overall.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:38pm

Why is an academy hooker(McNulty) on the subs bench ahead of two underage internationals(Magurie/Kelleher) who have trained all summer?

Why is a academy TH prop who spent the summer playing rugby in OZ playing in this development game?

Why is an academy scrumhalf who was playign preseason for the senior team playing last week playing in this development game?

Why is an academy centre on the bench, ahead of younger options such as Tommy O'Brien?

It's bizarre, I thought leinster would have been smarter than this.

Tarf1234 · 01-09-2016 1:39pm

Ye, really can't understand it. Whatever about 2 or 3 guys who missed the previous year through injury just picking guys who are somewhat similar age is defeating the purpose of it. Very harsh on the guys who have missed out. I wonder if many of them will now turn their nose up at sub academy if that's how they are treated.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:40pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Why is it such a bad idea that over 20s are playing when it should increase playing standards. The best 20s will still be playing and will now be tested more than before. You may see less 19s playing 20s/development which improves standards of 19s competition and it opens door for guys who may have been missed at 20s for another chance.
20s interpros games are just 6 games in a long season of development and this helps things overall.

Your ability to defend the irfu knows no bounds.

A large number of the best 20's aren't playing, 9 irish u19 internationals from last season are missing from the leinster squad, how does that benefit the 20's team or their development?

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:41pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Ye, really can't understand it. Whatever about 2 or 3 guys who missed the previous year through injury just picking guys who are somewhat similar age is defeating the purpose of it. Very harsh on the guys who have missed out. I wonder if many of them will now turn their nose up at sub academy if that's how they are treated.

it's poor man management and player development, spend a summer working hard to play in the interpros and get dropped for academy players.

irishbucsfan · 01-09-2016 1:47pm

The new format has come about as a means of giving much-needed game time to those Academy players in the limbo land that exists between Age Grade rugby and the PRO12 Championship.

Surely the limbo that exists between Age Grade rugby and Pro 12 Championship is the A team? I would like to hear Nigel Carolan's take on this

The Lost Sheep · 01-09-2016 1:51pm

greg090 wrote: »

Why is an academy hooker(McNulty) on the subs bench ahead of two underage internationals(Magurie/Kelleher) who have trained all summer?

Why is a academy TH prop who spent the summer playing rugby in OZ playing in this development game?

Why is an academy scrumhalf who was playign preseason for the senior team playing last week playing in this development game?

Why is an academy centre on the bench, ahead of younger options such as Tommy O'Brien?

It's bizarre, I thought leinster would have been smarter than this.

Maybe the coaches want to see what the guy who played in Oz learned over the summer. Why is the younger option always the better option?

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Ye, really can't understand it. Whatever about 2 or 3 guys who missed the previous year through injury just picking guys who are somewhat similar age is defeating the purpose of it. Very harsh on the guys who have missed out. I wonder if many of them will now turn their nose up at sub academy if that's how they are treated.

greg090 wrote: »

Your ability to defend the irfu knows no bounds.

:rolleyes: Yawn. This argument that I only defend the IRFU is nonsense.

A large number of the best 20's aren't playing, 9 irish u19 internationals from last season are missing from the leinster squad, how does that benefit the 20's team or their development?

How many other countries base their international squad picks based overwhelmingly on a small series of games at the age group that 20s international rugby is played?
This is better for the 20s who are playing the games as the games should be a higher standard than simply involving 90 or so under 20s. That there will maybe be 50 or so under 20s and then the rest involved are older should mean a higher standard which is better prep for the guys eligible for 20s and involved in the games.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:53pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Maybe the coaches want to see what the guy who played in Oz learned over the summer. Why is the younger option always the better option?

Can they not see that in training or the AIL?

greg090 · 01-09-2016 1:55pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yawn. This argument that I only defend the IRFU is nonsense.

How many other countries base their international squad picks based overwhelmingly on a small series of games at the age group that 20s international rugby is played?
This is better for the 20s who are playing the games as the games should be a higher standard than simply involving 90 or so under 20s. That there will maybe be 50 or so under 20s and then the rest involved are older should mean a higher standard which is better prep for the guys eligible for 20s and involved in the games.

Ireland don't base it overwhelmingly on the interpros, it's based on numerous factors. This is not better for all the u20's who've sacrificed their summers training to only be dropped and told they are not needed.
How is this move a good thing for them?
How is this good for the clubs who lose more academy players to these interpros?
How is it good that Connacht pulled out of this competition?
What are the players over 20 gaining from playing against players straight out of schools?
Wouldn't they be better off playing club rugby against men?

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yawn. This argument that I only defend the IRFU is nonsense.

Yeah riiiight..

The Lost Sheep · 01-09-2016 1:58pm

greg090 wrote: »

Ireland don't base it overwhelmingly on the interpros. This is not better for all the u20's who've sacrificed their summers training to only be dropped and told they are not needed. How is this move a good thing for them?

So if Ireland don't base it a lot on the interpros then it shouldn't matter that less guys born in 1997 are playing then.
There is always players who will have trained all summer and then are not needed and others are added/parachuted in. Happens all the time. That happening is not something new

greg090 · 01-09-2016 2:18pm

Would someone like Joey Carbery have started at outhalf for Leinster u20 when he was eligible for the team, in this new format. I think it's pretty questionable given his development and profile at that time.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 2:19pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

So if Ireland don't base it a lot on the interpros then it shouldn't matter that less guys born in 1997 are playing then.
There is always players who will have trained all summer and then are not needed and others are added/parachuted in. Happens all the time. That happening is not something new

Of course it matters, stop being obtuse.

This is a regressive step for the majority of u20 players in the country. The academy players have played their interpros already, give the younger lads a chance to develop, impress and make the academy.

Leinster had a training squad of over 30 players this summer, the most of which have been discarded for players already in the academy. It's poor form and not going to breed loyalty.

Tarf1234 · 01-09-2016 2:41pm

I can see some value in some overage players but significantly reducing the number of people exposed to this level cannot be a good thing. I really don't see the value in is n Heffernan et al. playing in this. I can understand the value to Jack Power who missed a lot of last year through injury but I think that is overkill. Why not just make it A interpros?

greg090 · 01-09-2016 2:58pm

What if players at every position, say scrumhalf are all over 20.

Both leinsters are, lets see how plays there for Ulster u20/development. Same with TH prop.

When a large number of last years irish u19's aren't playing in these interpros, i'm not sure how it's a good thing.

greg090 · 01-09-2016 5:33pm

Hughes Insurance Ulster Academy v Leinster
Friday 2nd September, kick-off 5.30pm at Shawsbridge

1 Michael Lagan (C) (Ballymena RFC)
2 Zac McCall (Queens University Belfast)
3 Craig Trenier (Ballynahinch)
4 Alex Thompson (Queens University Belfast)
5 John Donnan (Ballynahinch)
6 Nick Timoney (Queens University Belfast)
7 Lorcan Dow (Ballynahinch)
8 Marcus Rea (Queens University Belfast)
9 Angus Lloyd (Ballynahinch)
10 Johnny McPhillips (Ballynahinch)
11 Aaron Cairns (Ballynahinch)
12 Tom Stapley (Exile)
13 David Busby (Ballynahinch)
14 Conor Field (TBC)
15 Conor Kelly (Queens University Belfast)

16 Adam McBurney (Ballymena RFC)
17 Tom O'Hagan (Rainey OB)
18 Peter Cooper (Harlequins)
19 Ali Burke (TBC)
20 Connor Smyth (Ballymena RFC)
21 Jonny Stewart (Queens University Belfast)
22 Andrew Magrath (Banbridge RFC)
23 Callum Smith (Malone RFC)
24 Ollie Brown (Exile)
25 Zac Jordan (TBC)
26 Anton Lupari (TBC)

Only 5 starters u20.

1 out 4 tightheads in this game will be eligible for ireland u20.
1 out of 4 scrumhalves in this game will be eligible for ireland u20.
2 out of 6 locks in this game will be eligible for ireland u20
1 out 4 hookers in this game will be eligible for ireland u20

The Lost Sheep · 01-09-2016 7:59pm

greg090 wrote: »

Would someone like Joey Carbery have started at outhalf for Leinster u20 when he was eligible for the team, in this new format. I think it's pretty questionable given his development and profile at that time.

He did because of players like Ross Byrne who had played for Ireland a year up didnt play interpros.

greg090 wrote: »

Of course it matters, stop being obtuse.

This is a regressive step for the majority of u20 players in the country. The academy players have played their interpros already, give the younger lads a chance to develop, impress and make the academy.

Leinster had a training squad of over 30 players this summer, the most of which have been discarded for players already in the academy. It's poor form and not going to breed loyalty.

How is this a regressive step? The best under 20 players are challenged more than if these were simply under 20 games. There may be less 19s playing up at 20s/development which strengthens the 19s interpros.

greg090 wrote: »

What if players at every position, say scrumhalf are all over 20.

Both leinsters are, lets see how plays there for Ulster u20/development. Same with TH prop.

When a large number of last years irish u19's aren't playing in these interpros, i'm not sure how it's a good thing.

What about a lot of other countries. There isnt really under 20 competitions in England, France is there? Dont players over there primarily play in school age competitions and are then in academy or adult open age sides? Same with the Southern Hemisphere.

Hagz · 01-09-2016 8:49pm

I don't mind it to be honest. It keeps guys in the system who are past the 20's spot and raises the standards of the interpros. If any u20s don't make it this time round, well then they can the next time. It also forces the u20 selectors to look past the interpros and keep a close eye on what's going on a club level (not that they were't already doing so).

Tarf1234 · 02-09-2016 8:38am

I think in fairness they need to get rid of the U20 part of the title and just call it a development comp. If that's what they are looking for then that's what it should be. I really don't like the nonsense of pretending to do one thing and then in reality doing another. The IRFU really need to accept we're not idiots.

RobbieRuns · 05-09-2016 3:37pm

The IRFU accept what?

ArmchairQB · 06-09-2016 12:23pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

I think in fairness they need to get rid of the U20 part of the title and just call it a development comp. If that's what they are looking for then that's what it should be. I really don't like the nonsense of pretending to do one thing and then in reality doing another. The IRFU really need to accept we're not idiots.

Yeah totally agree call it Leinster A or Development squad, it is what it is a curtain call for provincial academies

greg090 · 06-09-2016 12:58pm

u20 players in action over weekend:

LH Prop: Anton Lupari(Ulster)
LH Prop: Martin Mulhall (Leinster)
LH Prop: Greg McGrath(Leinster)
TH Prop: Peter Cooper(Ulster)
Hooker: Tadgh McElroy(Leinster)
Lock: Caelan Doris (Leinster)
Lock: Ali Burke (Ulster)
Backrow: Marcus Rea (Ulster)
Backrow: Zac Jordan(Ulster)
Backrow: Barry Fitzpatrick(Leinster)
Backrow: Paul Boyle(Leinster)
Backrow: Conor Hand(Leinster)
Scrumhalf: Jonny Stewart(Ulster)
Outhalf: Johnny McPhillips
Outhalf: Conor Dean (Leinster)
Outhalf: Ciaran Frawley(Leinster)
Centre: Tom Stapley(Ulster)
Centre: Callum Smith(Ulster)
Centre: Gavin Mullin (Leinster)
Wing: Ollie Brown (Ulster)
Wing: Conor Field(Ulster)
Wing: Tim Carroll(Leinster)
Wing: Jordan Larmour(Leinster)
Fullback: Jack Kelly (Leinster)
Fullback: Conor Kelly (Ulster)

hype101 · 06-09-2016 9:51pm

Why can't there just be an Academy interpro series?.. Surely it's doing no favours for the likes of Oisin Heffernan to be locking down against u20s props in terms of developing him for pro ball.. I thought COB might be in with a shot of being a bolter for the 12 jersey given the lack of resources there.. Instead, he's playing against a bunch of guys in school last year.. Aside from being undoubtedly detrimental to the u20s, I don't get how it benefits the Academy guys.. Shocking call.

greg090 · 06-09-2016 10:10pm

hype101 wrote: »

Why can't there just be an Academy interpro series?.. Surely it's doing no favours for the likes of Oisin Heffernan to be locking down against u20s props in terms of developing him for pro ball.. I thought COB might be in with a shot of being a bolter for the 12 jersey given the lack of resources there.. Instead, he's playing against a bunch of guys in school last year.. Aside from being undoubtedly detrimental to the u20s, I don't get how it benefits the Academy guys.. Shocking call.

Yep lads in the academy should be playing against guys who are similarly developed and more developed not against lads just out of school, who arent as physically developed etc.

The Lost Sheep · 07-09-2016 3:11pm

hype101 wrote: »

Why can't there just be an Academy interpro series?.. Surely it's doing no favours for the likes of Oisin Heffernan to be locking down against u20s props in terms of developing him for pro ball.. I thought COB might be in with a shot of being a bolter for the 12 jersey given the lack of resources there.. Instead, he's playing against a bunch of guys in school last year.. Aside from being undoubtedly detrimental to the u20s, I don't get how it benefits the Academy guys.. Shocking call.

Its simply going that way. 20s and Academy interpros. It will do a lot of good for the guys eligible for 20s to be playing against stronger older players.
Its advantageous to the 20s playing as the standard of the games should be higher than if it was just guys born in 1997 playing.

greg090 wrote: »

Yep lads in the academy should be playing against guys who are similarly developed and more developed not against lads just out of school, who arent as physically developed etc.

Playing in what at this time of year though?

The Lost Sheep · 09-09-2016 5:02pm

Munster 20s/Development team to face Ulster (Thomond Park, Friday, September 9, KO 7pm)
15. Colm Hogan (Dublin University) (C)
14. Lee Molloy (Lansdowne)
13. Calvin Nash (Young Munster)
12. Peadar Collins (Garryowen)
11. Liam Coombes (Skibbereen)
10. Conor Fitzgerald (Shannon)
9. Jack Stafford (Shannon)
1. Joey Conway (Castletroy College)
2. Adam Moloney (Shannon)
3. Rob O'Donovan (UCC)
4. Fineen Wycherley (Young Munster)
5. Sean O'Connor (Garryowen)
6. Gavin Coombes (Young Munster)
7. Alan Fitzgerald (Shannon)
8. John Foley (Shannon)
Replacements:
16. Vincent O'Brien (Cork Constitution)
17. Liam O'Connor (Cork Constitution)
18. Peter Kelleher (Cork Constitution)
19. Barra O'Byrne (Garryowen)
20. Bailey Faloon (Garryowen)
21. James Lennon (Exiles)
22. Alan Tynan (Young Munster)
23. Alex McHenry (Cork Constitution)
24. Cameron Gray (Exiles)
25. Daire Feeney (UCC)
26. Daniel Hurley (Garryowen)

Ulster u20s/Academy
15 Conor Kelly
14 Conor Field
13 Rory Butler
12 Callum Smith
11 Ollie Brown
10 Johnny McPhillips
9 Aaron Cairns
1 Michael Lagan
2 Adam McBurney
3 Peter Cooper
4 Alex Thompson
5 John Donnan
6 Nick Timoney
7 Lorcan Dow
8 Marcus Rea
16 Zac McCall
17 Tom O’Hagan
18 Craig Trenier
19 Connor Smyth
20 Zac Jordan
21 Jonny Stewart
22 Andrew Magrath
23 Lewis Sampson
24 Matthew Rea

Ireland Under 20 2017 6 Nations/Junior World Cup

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