Ireland Under 20 2017 6 Nations/Junior World Cup

brockboy02

The irish examiner, preview of ail season. Think it's telling that a coach with such experience was willing to go on the record and say what many people really think about this change. Players over 20 should be playing AIL rugby, not playing against 19 year olds in these interpros.

Comapring irish rugby to english rugby is not very smart. Total different system and playing population.

Cathalthesmart

brockboy02 wrote: »

Nash have never really played 12, neither has Mullin.

One of those two will play 13. Nash could even end up on the wing.

For 12's I'd look at Rory Butler, Callum Smith, Michael McDermott, Peadar Collins, Alex McHenry or maybe a wild card like Conor Jennings or Tommy O'Brien.

Or maybe an outhalf playing there: McPhillips, Dean, Frawley, Fitzgerald.

Nash played 12 and Mullin played 13 in the win over France in U-19 last season.

brockboy02

Not according to the match report, which has Peadar Collins playing 12 and Gavin Mullin playing 13. With Alex McHenry replacing Collins in the second half.

Cathalthesmart

I've heard around some of the provincial forms that certain players have chosen not to play with the U20s to focus on club careers (De Jong was one I think) what's the story?

brockboy02

some u20 players decided to not train and play in the interpros, as they were told club rugby would be a bigger factor in their selection for Ireland u20 trails etc.

kingofthekong

brockboy02 wrote: »

some u20 players decided to not train and play in the interpros, as they were told club rugby would be a bigger factor in their selection for Ireland u20 trails etc.

Strange that they were told that? I mean surely its easier to notice if a player stands out due to it being a 3 game series
it wouldnt be difficult for coaches to get to the games,
whereas expecting a coach to turn up to all the different games in which u20s are playing in in the AIL may be a difficult task and thus are more likely to get overlooked i'd imagine but I've no idea about how talent selectors watch these players.

I guess if AIL teams were recording their games and could send Carolan and co the games in which an u20 player was playing in?

brockboy02

every game is recorded at this level, so players will be evaluated using that.

it was decided by the powers that be to de-emphasise the under-20 interpros, hence why it was essentially academy interpros.

can't blame players for then deciding to not spend their summer training for free for the interpros when they are no longer as important.

although might these players be punished for skipping the interpros and the training involved with that, you'd hope not.

Stainalert

kingofthekong wrote: »

Strange that they were told that? I mean surely its easier to notice if a player stands out due to it being a 3 game series
it wouldnt be difficult for coaches to get to the games,
whereas expecting a coach to turn up to all the different games in which u20s are playing in in the AIL may be a difficult task and thus are more likely to get overlooked i'd imagine but I've no idea about how talent selectors watch these players.

I guess if AIL teams were recording their games and could send Carolan and co the games in which an u20 player was playing in?

Leinster academy generally get videos of games all academy players are involved in

kingofthekong

Thanks

brockboy02

Leinster u20 players and their clubs:

Prop
Richie Mouatt(UCD)
Greg McGrath(Lansdowne)
Martin Mulhall(Lansdowne)
Stephen McGivern(UCD)
Mick McCormack(St. Marys?)

Hooker
Tadhg McElroy(Lansdowne)
Conor Maguire(Old Wesley)
Ronan Kelleher(UCD)

Lock
Jack Regan(UCD)
Oisin Dowling(Lansdowne)
Aaron Browne(Old Wesley)

Backrow
Paul Boyle(Lansdowne)
Jonny Guy(UCD)
Tom De Jongh(Old Belvedere)
Conor Hand(Navan)
Barry Fitzpatrick(Lansdowne)
Caelan Doris(St. Marys)
Richard Dunne(DUFC)
Ronan Foley(UCD)

Outhalf
Conor Dean(St. Marys)
Ciaran Frawley(UCD)
Tim Foley(UCD)

Centre
Gavin Mullin(UCD)
Tommy O'Brien(UCD)
Conor Jennings(Clontarf)
Michael McDermott(DUFC)
James Hickey(DUFC)

Back Three
Jordan Larmour(St. Marys)
Jack Kelly(DUFC)
Stephen Kilgallen(UCD)
Tim Carroll(UCD)
Tommy O'Callaghan(Lansdowne)

Tarf1234

Aaron Browne is Old Wesley

brockboy02

I'm missing a few more too but that covers most of the lads out of school.

Not sure if Mick McCormack is actually still playing.

ArmchairQB

brockboy02 wrote: »

some u20 players decided to not train and play in the interpros, as they were told club rugby would be a bigger factor in their selection for Ireland u20 trails etc.

I doubt they were ever told that! would be surprised if anyone outside of sub academies or exiles will be involved with Irish 20s. Lads just weren't bothered playing their first summer out of school is what it boils down to & I respect their decisions as I am sure they had a blast all summer long before starting college

brockboy02

that may be the case, none of the players who skipped the interpros are outstanding talents in position without depth although four of them played for Ireland u19 last season and a fifth missed out due to injury.

not to mention leinster released a Ireland u19 player because he missed two sessions during the summer, one due to a wedding and another due to work.

you'd hope that a player missing the interpros wouldn't exclude him from Ireland u20 selection and eventual academy selection, but knowing how rigid and hard line Peter Smyth is with the Leinster academy, you can probably rule out those lads. Not sure on Carolan.

Cathalthesmart

I think its unfair that these sub academies expect guys out of school to go straight into training ( with no pay) and sacrifice there summer for inter-pros when there just out of school and of course want to have a bast before getting there LC results and starting collage.

brockboy02

They have time to blow off steam and have a good time.

It's more the time commitment for no pay, it's extremely difficult to train all summer with the sub academy and also balance a job.

D14Rugby

Are Barry Goulding (Gonzaga) and JJ O'Dea (St Pats/Navan) still playing? Thought they were quite good for leinster in the last few years.

The Lost Sheep

D14Rugby wrote: »

Are Barry Goulding (Gonzaga) and JJ O'Dea (St Pats/Navan) still playing? Thought they were quite good for leinster in the last few years.

JJ O Dea played Leinster 19s in September

brockboy02

Goulding didn't make Leinster u20, not sure if he is still playing rugby.

List of u19's in 2015 who didn't play for Leinster u20 these interpros:
Prop: Rory Mulvihill(St. Michaels/UCD) - still playing rugby?
Prop: Mike Sweeney(Belvedere/UCD) - still playing rugby?
Prop: Michael McCormack(St. Marys)(Ireland u19) - still playing rugby?
Prop: Eoin Corcoran(Longford/DUFC)
Prop: Richie Mouatt(Blackrock/UCD)(Ireland u19)
Hooker: Conor Johnson(Newbridge/Naas)
Hooker: Daniel McCaffrey(Belvedere) - still playing rugby?
Backrow/Lock: Brian Egan(Belvedere) - not playing rugby
Backrow/Lock: Joe Carley(Enniscorthy)
Backrow: Conor Farrell(Navan) - part of Toulouse's espoirs
Backrow: Roghan McMahon(Blackrock/DUFC)
Backrow: Tom De Jongh(Belvedere/Old Belvedere)(Ireland u19)
Backrow: Jonny Guy(St. Andrews/UCD)(Ireland u19)
Backrow: Matthew Keane(Roscrea) - still playing rugby?
Scrumhalf: David Duggan(St. Michaels/DUFC)
Scrumhalf: Rob Jordan(CBC Monkstown/Lansdowne)
Scrumhalf: Derry O'Connor(St. Marys) - still playing rugby?
Outhalf: Tim Foley(Roscrea/UCD)
Centre: Michael McDermott(Clongowes/DUFC)(Ireland u19)
Centre: Conor Jennings(Belvedere/Clontarf)
Wing/Fullback: James MacGowan(Blackrock/DUFC)
Wing/Fullback: Steven Kilgallen(Blackrock/UCD)
Wing: James McKeown(Belvedere) - playing rugby in Australia
Fullback: Barry Goulding(Gonzaga/Lansdowne)

O'Dea was 1st choice 6 for Leinster u19's, he is out of school, so he might still be with Navan?

stellenbosch

brockboy02 wrote: »

Goulding didn't make Leinster u20, not sure if he is still playing rugby.

List of u19's in 2015 who didn't play for Leinster u20 these interpros:
Prop: Rory Mulvihill(st. Michaels/UCD) - still playing rugby?
Prop: Eoin Corcoran(Longford/DUFC)
Prop: Richie Mouatt(Blackrock/UCD)(Ireland u19)
Prop: Michael McCormack(St. Marys)(Ireland u19) - still playing rugby?
Hooker: Conor Johnson(Newbridge/Clontarf) - still playing rugby?
Backrow/Lock: Brian Egan(Belvedere) - still playing rugby?
Backrow/Lock: Joe Carley(Enniscorthy)
Backrow: Conor Farrell(Navan)
Backrow: Roghan McMahon(Blackrock/DUFC) - still playing rugby?
Backrow: Tom De Jongh(Belvedere/Old Belvedere)(Ireland u19)
Backrow: Jonny Guy(St. Andrews/UCD)(Ireland u19)
Scrumhalf: David Duggan(St. Michaels/DUFC) - still playing rugby?
Scrumhalf: Derry O'Connor(St. Marys) - still playing rugby?
Scrumhalf: Rob Jordan(CBC Monkstown) - still playing rugby?
Outhalf: Tim Foley(Roscrea/UCD)

Centre: Michael McDermott(Clongowes/DUFC)(Ireland u19)
Centre: Conor Jennings(Belvedere/Clontarf)
Wing/Fullback: James MacGowan(Blackrock) - still playing rugby?
Wing/Fullback: Steven Kilgallen(Blackrock/UCD)
Wing: James McKeown(Belvedere)
Fullback: Barry Goulding(Gonzaga) - still playing rugby?

O'Dea was 1st choice 6 for Leinster u19's, not sure if he is still in school or not.

McMahon captain of DUFC 20S
McGowan now playing 20S with DUFC
Rob Jordan playing 20s with Lansdowne
Barry Goulding 20s with Lansdowne
Dave Duggan playing 20s with DUFC

Tarf1234

Connor Johnson gone to Naas and Brian Egan is not playing rugby unfortunately. Both would very much have been lads we would have been very hopeful to have in Tarf this season.

James McKeown is gone on gap year to OZ will hopefully be in Tarf next year

brockboy02

So updated:

Prop: Rory Mulvihill(St. Michaels/UCD) - still playing rugby?
Prop: Mike Sweeney(Belvedere/UCD) - not playing rugby
Prop: Michael McCormack(St. Marys/?)(Ireland u19) - still playing rugby?
Prop: Eoin Corcoran(Longford/DUFC)
Prop: Richie Mouatt(Blackrock/UCD)(Ireland u19)
Hooker: Conor Johnson(Newbridge/Naas)
Hooker: Daniel McCaffrey(Belvedere/Clontarf)
Backrow/Lock: Brian Egan(Belvedere) - not playing rugby
Backrow/Lock: Joe Carley(Enniscorthy)
Backrow: Conor Farrell(Navan/Lansdowne) - part of Toulouse's espoirs
Backrow: Roghan McMahon(Blackrock/DUFC)
Backrow: Tom De Jongh(Belvedere/Old Belvedere)(Ireland u19)
Backrow: Jonny Guy(St. Andrews/UCD)(Ireland u19)
Backrow: Matthew Keane(Roscrea/?) - still playing rugby?
Scrumhalf: David Duggan(St. Michaels/DUFC)
Scrumhalf: Rob Jordan(CBC Monkstown/Lansdowne)
Scrumhalf: Derry O'Connor(St. Marys/?) - still playing rugby?
Outhalf: Tim Foley(Roscrea/UCD)
Centre: Michael McDermott(Clongowes/DUFC)(Ireland u19)
Centre: Conor Jennings(Belvedere/Clontarf)
Wing/Fullback: James MacGowan(Blackrock/DUFC)
Wing/Fullback: Steven Kilgallen(Blackrock/UCD)
Wing: James McKeown(Belvedere) - playing rugby in Australia
Wing: Peter Howard(Cill Dara/Naas)
Fullback: Barry Goulding(Gonzaga/Lansdowne)

brockboy02

UCD u20 team from last weekend:
15 Stephen Kilgallen
14 Robin Reidy
13 Gavin Mullin
12 Tim Costigan
11 Oisin O’Meara
10 Ciaran Frawley
9 Niall O’Neill
1 Richard Mouatt (Captain)
2 Matthew O’Donovan
3 Stephen McGivern
4 Jack Regan
5 Niall Marshall
6 Ronan Foley
7 Ben Murray
8 Jonny Guy
16 Kevin White
17 Sam Griffin
18 Alec Byrne
19 Faolan Crowe
20 Jack Ringrose
21 James Stone
22 Brionn Coffey

kingofthekong

Hi Guys , was looking for info on a player, he was number 8. for clongowes in last years SCT and got injured in the semi's or quarters , whats his name and does he play rep rugby? I was extremely impressed with him, always seemed to slip through tackles and giving offloads

brockboy02

Sean McCrohan and no he hasn't.

Quintis

https://twitter.com/CharlieFelix/status/781797346464194562

Random point, saw the above tweet with the NZ 2011 JWC Final teamsheet, amazing how well they both identified talent at underage, developed this talent and brought them through into the senior setup

Some more info on the team...

https://drivingmaul.com/2015/01/30/class-of-2011-new-zealands-junior-world-cup-winners/

Tarf1234

Mike Sweeney left UCD in the middle of last year and is not currently playing rugby. Dan McCaffrey is playing in Tarf.

Tarf1234

Quintis wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CharlieFelix/status/781797346464194562

Random point, saw the above tweet with the NZ 2011 JWC Final teamsheet, amazing how well they both identified talent at underage, developed this talent and brought them through into the senior setup

Some more info on the team...

https://drivingmaul.com/2015/01/30/class-of-2011-new-zealands-junior-world-cup-winners/

That is some set of teams. Only one of the starting JB backline and pack not ABs now and Brad Webber, Dom Bird and Naholo on the bench that is incredible.

kingofthekong

brockboy02 wrote: »

Sean McCrohan and no he hasn't.

Thanks, I'm suprised he looked very good, maybe he just had an exceptional game when i saw him

brockboy02

Well it depends on what injury he picked up that ended his SCT, it may have precluded him fron playing interpro rugby this september.

Leinster schools were pretty weak in the backrow this season compared to previous years, this could be down to injuries, or it just being a down year at that position after several excellent years there.