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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #1352
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    Damien, not being cheeky get a glass out of the cabinet and fill it...then start thinking that way..be optimistic...it will happen one way or another...if the NBP fails there would be huge protests...

    Sigh - Eir are a private company you can protest all you like they don't care.
    NBP - different story - they have obligations to the public.

    This is why I think Eir will sit on it's hands for a while as far as ftth and blue lines are concerned. Can you not see that being a very likely possibility?
    I think it's going to get delayed totally on the basis of the chances of missing out on subsidies. I'm only assuming.


  • #1353
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    damienirel wrote: »
    Sigh - Eir are a private company you can protest all you like they don't care.
    NBP - different story - they have obligations to the public.

    This is why I think Eir will sit on it's hands for a while as far as ftth and blue lines are concerned. Can you not see that being a very likely possibility?
    I think it's going to get delayed totally on the basis of the chances of missing out on subsidies. I'm only assuming.
    So with your thinking, why complete the first 100,000 and the completion of the FTTC ?


  • #1354
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    So with your thinking, why complete the first 100,000 and the completion of the FTTC ?

    FTTC is completely different - highly profitable areas that Eir want and need as it's customer base. Don't mix the 2 up they are different business models.


  • #1355
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    damienirel wrote: »
    FTTC is completely different - highly profitable areas that Eir want and need as it's customer base. Don't mix the 2 up they are different business models.
    Again why complete the 1st 100,000.......Of FTTH.?


  • #1356
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    There are posts every day on here of people seeing workers out laying fibre cables and working in ducts etc.

    One week in July open eir enabled 61 cabinets, this week they enabled 5, next week there are zero exchange cabinets planned to be enabled for the first time in well over a year.

    The people involved in the FTTC rollout haven't been laid off. They will be reassigned to the FTTH rollout. Open eir have a massive amount of people involved at the minute and there is absolutely no point in wasting them. They will have monopolies pretty much everywhere they go with the FTTH rollout so they may as well get the ball rolling ASAP.

    For example, the Headford exchange in Co. Kerry. Currently has no DSL services, will never be serviced by UPC. Only has fixed wireless and mobile broadband options at present, which are brutal in most parts of the exchange footprint. Eir are going servicing 740 homes here, and should have 100% uptake in those interested in using broadband services. The more they delay it, the more revenue they are missing out on.


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  • #1357
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    As I said in a post earlier today I have full faith that Eir will deliver on these 300,000 premises.

    - based upon their commitment and completion of the FTTC rollout on time.

    Most of the areas announced in the first 100,000 premises Phase 1 of the rollout have had preparation work carried out such as ducting, pole replacement, new manholes and other work. None of this is cheap and Eir will want to complete these areas as soon as possible to start see a return on their investment.

    Most of these areas have no decent broadband or no broadband of any description. Uptake will be very high in many of these areas and Eir will be the ones profiting from all this. Eir will end up keeping these customers for generations to come.

    Open Eir's twitter channel has really started tweeting regularly about this FTTH rollout over the past few weeks - gaining more exposure for what they are about to do.


  • #1358
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    Again why complete the 1st 100,000.......Of FTTH.?
    One reason could be they want top prove they are capable of doing a roll out in good time, so they have a better chance at the whole of the NPB. Delaying the second stage of the blue lines would not impact on that.


  • #1359
    yqtwqxqm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭yqtwqxqm


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    First off they will be running 600km of on the pole fibre a month, that 20 km per day inc weekends get out the map again and calculate the total blueline run in dunshaughlin...;) then I am sure when they start the installing the fibre they will finish it before moving on..

    I would say you could order straight away as it would get the coil of fibre installed and not hanging on a pole waiting for some ijit to come along and cut it...Exchange will have been completed, didn't someone put a post up saying all the stuff is installed and waiting in most if not all exchanges..

    Some here stated from talking to an engineer that where the blueline stops the fibre stops, ie. if a house's driveway is at the end of a blue line, it will get done..

    It will be installed, where its easiest for them...its up to you to connect into it...

    What if it runs on the opposite side of the road to you. Will it be like FTTC in those cases and only allow the people on the one side of the road to get it.


  • #1360
    legocrazy505
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭legocrazy505


    marno21 wrote: »
    There are posts every day on here of people seeing workers out laying fibre cables and working in ducts etc.

    One week in July open eir enabled 61 cabinets, this week they enabled 5, next week there are zero exchange cabinets planned to be enabled for the first time in well over a year.

    The people involved in the FTTC rollout haven't been laid off. They will be reassigned to the FTTH rollout. Open eir have a massive amount of people involved at the minute and there is absolutely no point in wasting them. They will have monopolies pretty much everywhere they go with the FTTH rollout so they may as well get the ball rolling ASAP.

    For example, the Headford exchange in Co. Kerry. Currently has no DSL services, will never be serviced by UPC. Only has fixed wireless and mobile broadband options at present, which are brutal in most parts of the exchange footprint. Eir are going servicing 740 homes here, and should have 100% uptake in those interested in using broadband services. The more they delay it, the more revenue they are missing out on.

    There's still a decent amount of cabinets to be done...like our one waiting to serve 150+ houses. Wouldn't say they are fully focused on FTTH yet but they are definitely upping their game now by the looks of this thread. About time too because the rural broadband rural rollout has been long overdue.


  • #1361
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    yqtwqxqm wrote: »
    What if it runs on the opposite side of the road to you. Will it be like FTTC in those cases and only allow the people on the one side of the road to get it.

    the cable/fibre will serve both sides of the road in the same way that a regular phone line does. Once the fiber passes your gateway either on a pole or a duct, you will be able to get FTTH.

    FTTC was patchy as it relied on your phone line being connected to the nearest cabinet, houses beside each other sometimes were a mix between connected to cabinet and directly fed by the exchange. FTTH doesn't work that way. eVDSL solved this issue to an extent but doesnt work as far as FTTC.

    FTTH also offers full speeds, its not a distance sensitive technology like FTTC/DSL.


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  • #1362
    funnyname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Travelling up through the burren last week, noticed that hedges are cut in Carron (plans to bring ftth to 30 houses) and Kinvara. Defo not letting the grass (or bushes) grow under their feet. Rock on Eir!
    Gonzo wrote: »

    the cable/fibre will serve both sides of the road in the same way that a regular phone line does. Once the fiber passes your gateway either on a pole or a duct, you will be able to get FTTH.

    FTTC was patchy as it relied on your phone line being connected to the nearest cabinet, houses beside each other sometimes were a mix between connected to cabinet and directly fed by the exchange. FTTH doesn't work that way. eVDSL solved this issue to an extent but doesnt work as far as FTTC.

    FTTH also offers full speeds, its not a distance sensitive technology like FTTC/DSL.


  • #1363
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    legocrazy505 wrote: »
    There's still a decent amount of cabinets to be done...like our one waiting to serve 150+ houses. Wouldn't say they are fully focused on FTTH yet but they are definitely upping their game now by the looks of this thread. About time too because the rural broadband rural rollout has been long overdue.
    Yeah there is but the bulk is done.

    And a lot of the cabs left are in areas where the primary exchange has been completed and fibre is already in the area, so won't involve bringing a new line out to the exchange.

    For example in Cork, there are 6 exchange cabs left. One is within 1km of Cobh, one is within 1km of Mallow, one is within 1km of Clonakity and the other three are bunched together near Cork Airport.

    70 exchange cabs to be done nationwide - listed here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100806946&postcount=2882


  • #1364
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    marno21 wrote: »

    For example in Cork, there are 6 exchange cabs left. One is within 1km of Cobh, one is within 1km of Mallow, one is within 1km of Clonakity and the other three are bunched together near Cork Airport.

    Sounds like they may be RSUs, when a business park or airport got an.exchange that was common. I remember one in Mallow being trouble before (very limited bw).

    Basically awkward/troublesome stuff left till last, makes a lot of sense.


  • #1365
    garroff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭garroff


    Timber cut and a shed load of poles erected in my area in last month.

    Question: what kind of speed will be offered when FTTH is connected?


  • #1366
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    garroff wrote: »
    Timber cut and a shed load of poles erected in my area in last month.

    Question: what kind of speed will be offered when FTTH is connected?

    Have a look at eir extreme website. Vodafone and digiweb and probably a few others are selling it too.


  • #1367
    RobertFoster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,387 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    damienirel wrote: »
    Have a look at eir extreme website. Vodafone and digiweb and probably a few others are selling it too.
    I thought Vodafone weren't going to be resellers of the Eir FTTH service because they have SIRO?


  • #1368
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    RobertFoster wrote: »
    I thought Vodafone weren't going to be resellers of the Eir FTTH service because they have SIRO?

    correct Vodafone will not be re-selling Eir Fibre Extreme, however things can change, If Siro end up still stuck on phase 1 while all phases of Eir's FTTH goes live then Vodafone could have a change of heart.


  • #1369
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    yeah robert looks like that is the case:
    https://www.vodafone.ie/home/broadband/lightspeed-broadband - seems to be siro stuff only for now anyways. I'd assume they'll all be trying to sell what they can eventually. The eir network including it newly built ftth one is legally obliged be open to all isps afaik. I guess vodafone want to stay out of it for now.


  • #1370
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    hoping to see a blast of installs soon!! hope these exchange areas marked winter 2016 aren't let slide. come on eir! I want my fibre!


  • #1371
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    One reason could be they want top prove they are capable of doing a roll out in good time, so they have a better chance at the whole of the NPB. Delaying the second stage of the blue lines would not impact on that.
    In that case Siro have no chance, and what of Enet with no track record if installations here...


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  • #1372
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    In that case Siro have no chance, and what of Enet with no track record if installations here...


    The reason they want to finish the FTTC first is fairly obvious no??
    It's far more cost efficient. Large amount of subscribers can be upgraded to a faster connection fairly effortlessly. A FTTH install is expensive no matter what way you look at it - it's a once off connection to a home. If I ran Eir I'd want to do all the FTTC installs first.


  • #1373
    guil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,611 ✭✭✭✭guil


    damienirel wrote: »
    The reason they want to finish the FTTC first is fairly obvious no??
    It's far more cost efficient. Large amount of subscribers can be upgraded to a faster connection fairly effortlessly. A FTTH install is expensive no matter what way you look at it - it's a once off connection to a home. If I ran Eir I'd want to do all the FTTC installs first.

    Why bother with FTTC if they can go straight to FTTH?


  • #1374
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    guil wrote: »
    Why bother with FTTC if they can go straight to FTTH?
    FTTC is far cheaper to install on a per install basis. At the moment there's no real demand for 1000mb connections - although we'd all love it. 100mb is plenty for the average home.


  • #1375
    guil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,611 ✭✭✭✭guil


    damienirel wrote: »
    FTTC is far cheaper to install on a per install basis.

    It's far more expensive to run and maintain after that. I'd imagine Eir want to go total FTTH eventually so it would make sense if some areas on a blue line don't have FTTC then go straight to FTTH.


  • #1376
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    guil wrote: »
    It's far more expensive to run and maintain after that. I'd imagine Eir want to go total FTTH eventually so it would make sense if some areas on a blue line don't have FTTC then go straight to FTTH.

    No sure if it is tbh. But they are planning to run FTTH in rural areas as distance is always going to be a problem for copper - plus pole hung areas are a good place to start rolling this out without too much disturbance. It's all very much a textbook way of rolling out faster broadband.


  • #1377
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    hoping to see a blast of installs soon!! hope these exchange areas marked winter 2016 aren't let slide. come on eir! I want my fibre!

    we're marked Autumn/Winter 2016 and next Thursday is the start of Autumn. I would really like to see the wiring starting next week!


  • #1378
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    guil wrote: »
    Why bother with FTTC if they can go straight to FTTH?

    Don't forget that the F in FTTC is Fibre. They've run 24 strands of fibre to each FTTC cab. 4 of them are allocated to VDSL, the remaining 20 will be used to provide for the blue lines (and presumably NBP if they win).

    They've also, presumably, purchased the VDSL gear for the cabs, so they might as well use it for now and get some money from subs.


  • #1379
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    Don't forget that the F in FTTC is Fibre. They've run 24 strands of fibre to each FTTC cab. 4 of them are allocated to VDSL, the remaining 20 will be used to provide for the blue lines (and presumably NBP if they win).

    They've also, presumably, purchased the VDSL gear for the cabs, so they might as well use it for now and get some money from subs.

    I thought that was the case(20 will be used to provide for the blue lines) - but somebody on here told me that all blue lines are provided from exchange directly.


  • #1380
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭jd


    damienirel wrote: »
    I thought that was the case(20 will be used to provide for the blue lines) - but somebody on here told me that all blue lines are provided from exchange directly.

    That 20 will run from exchange out to customers, vdsl cab won't be used for ftth at all.


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  • #1381
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    damienirel wrote: »
    I thought that was the case(20 will be used to provide for the blue lines) - but somebody on here told me that all blue lines are provided from exchange directly.
    jd wrote: »
    That 20 will run from exchange out to customers, vdsl cab won't be used for ftth at all.

    They go under the cab, not into it. So the 20 at each cab WILL be used for NBP works(if they win) but the actual connection just passes them. The point is the digging and blowing is done that far.


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