Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Swashbuckler · 23-08-2016 07:18PM

JJayoo wrote:

And how Diaz was ranked at number 4 is a joke, he isn't even close to the top five IMO

Who would you rank top 5? And where does Diaz sit?

cletus · 23-08-2016 07:22PM

I didn't say the alverez fight wouldn't happen, or that he might not be stripped before contending for the LW belt. All I'm saying is that if either of those things happen it will be because the UFC wants them to, not because Conor forces their hand.

Those decisions will be made for the reason you said, new owners shelled out big money, they need to milk that cow

Depp · 23-08-2016 07:26PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This doesn't sound good for New York

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/mma/conor-mcgregor-suspension-ufc-202-nate-diaz-a7204891.html

Would he be willing to compete with only a month and a half of training?

if what jk is saying is true and its just bruising he'll go in to the doc in a week or two and the suspension will be reduced

hatrickpatrick · 23-08-2016 07:34PM

Depp wrote: »

if what jk is saying is true and its just bruising he'll go in to the doc in a week or two and the suspension will be reduced

That's what I was hoping, but where the articles says "McGregor will have to serve a minimum two-month fight suspension until 20 October, with no contact training permitted until 5 October", does that not imply that even if it goes get reduced, the minimum two training restriction until 5/10 will still apply?

Fromvert · 23-08-2016 08:23PM

If Conor goes to LW he'll be the jumping the queue (Ferguson, Khabib, RDA etc will have to deal with it). The way you get the most out of marketing that is Champ vs Champ so he'll hold that FW belt for a few months more if it happens.

rob316 · 23-08-2016 08:52PM

Saipanne wrote: »

I hope Croke Park doesn't happen. Imagine the state of the crowd. Fights all over the shop. I'm not talking genuine mma fans here obviously, more the crowd that were at the Dublin press conference for the Aldo fight, except tens of thousands of them, out of their minds.

It would do mmas image in Ireland no good.

Agreed there was some absolute idiots at the fight saturday night. I have always had a passing interest in mna myself so im not a huge fan but there was a group sitting near me who only came to their seats for the mcgregor fight. I just didn't see the point pay all that money and not watch any of the main card and just turn up to sing ole ole ole and scream diaz is a pussy.

Outlaw Pete · 23-08-2016 08:59PM

Rogan trying to pimp the idea of McGregor vs Nick Diaz.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJdc8uRglIr/

scudzilla · 23-08-2016 09:01PM

Wonder how Conor's contract is working, Diaz 1 fight he got $1mill, Diaz 2 fight he got $3mill, can see him getting $5mill for his next fight (and yes, there is a precedent, Brock)

Boom_Bap · 23-08-2016 09:07PM

Saipanne wrote: »

But you do understand why he has a say, right?

Yes and No.

Should he have a say though, he is a fighter in a competition. Other people make the fights, but for some reason he is being allowed dictate his fights.

Chelsea can't say who they want to play in the FA Cup final if you know what I mean.
So Conor should defend his title to the person who is next up, in this case the interim belt holder.

But I can completely see how fighting Aldo again is a step back.

Gamb!t · 23-08-2016 09:11PM

froog wrote: »

i don't have much interest in the aldo rematch to be honest. i can't see aldo taking many (or any!) of those lefts without dropping. if it ain't in the first 13 seconds, it will be sometime in the first or second round. also that fight took what a year to finally happen with the delays and pullouts? conor owes that guy nothing. much prefer to see conor getting busy in the LW division, his proper weight.

He should vacate the belt then.

Saipanne · 23-08-2016 09:30PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yes and No.

Should he have a say though, he is a fighter in a competition. Other people make the fights, but for some reason he is being allowed dictate his fights.

Chelsea can't say who they want to play in the FA Cup final if you know what I mean.
So Conor should defend his title to the person who is next up, in this case the interim belt holder.

But I can completely see how fighting Aldo again is a step back.

Some reason? Come on. The UFC is a business, not a sport. The sport is mma, but it's under the umbrella of a business. Conor is BY FAR the biggest star they have, that's why he has so much power. It's all about money.

You surely know this?

Swashbuckler · 23-08-2016 09:48PM

hatrickpatrick wrote:

That's what I was hoping, but where the articles says "McGregor will have to serve a minimum two-month fight suspension until 20 October, with no contact training permitted until 5 October", does that not imply that even if it goes get reduced, the minimum two training restriction until 5/10 will still apply?

Am I the only one that absolutely does not want to see him rush into a fight at 205? December card would be preferable.

Boom_Bap · 23-08-2016 10:26PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Some reason? Come on. The UFC is a business, not a sport. The sport is mma, but it's under the umbrella of a business. Conor is BY FAR the biggest star they have, that's why he has so much power. It's all about money.

You surely know this?

I personally prefer the spirit of competition rather than one being able to pick and choose their fights in this sport. That's just me, but don't get me wrong, I do love a good rumble between stars.

Saipanne · 23-08-2016 10:48PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I personally prefer the spirit of competition rather than one being able to pick and choose their fights in this sport. That's just me, but don't get me wrong, I do love a good rumble between stars.

I think you're still confusing the sport (MMA) and the UFC. They are completely separate things. If you want the pure spirit of competition, I guess amateur MMA might be your thing. But at the UFC, it's prize fighting, and that means the superstars have power.

Boom_Bap · 23-08-2016 10:55PM

Saipanne wrote: »

I think you're still confusing the sport (MMA) and the UFC. They are completely separate things. If you want the pure spirit of competition, I guess amateur MMA might be your thing. But at the UFC, it's prize fighting, and that means the superstars have power.

No I'm not confusing them, I'm stuck in the middle of wanting both at the same time.

I do also keep an eye on local MMA as there are 2 lads from the local gym doing quite well for themselves, one has a title fight in September.

shamrock55 · 23-08-2016 10:56PM

I'm just watching it now on tv3 and conor was saved by the bell in the last 2 rds anyway

JustTheOne · 23-08-2016 10:57PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

I'm just watching it now on tv3 and conor was saved by the bell in the last 2 rds anyway

Not at all.

Possibly 3rd round but the 2nd nate missed most of his punches.

Deadst4r · 23-08-2016 11:48PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

shamrock55 wrote: »

I'm just watching it now on tv3 and conor was saved by the bell in the last 2 rds anyway

Not at all.

Possibly 3rd round but the 2nd nate missed most of his punches.

Being able to watch it back on Fight Pass in HD and rewind by 10 seconds, then watching the slow-mos in the replays makes such a difference! :O

Deadst4r · 23-08-2016 11:49PM

Deadst4r wrote: »

JustTheOne wrote: »

shamrock55 wrote: »

I'm just watching it now on tv3 and conor was saved by the bell in the last 2 rds anyway

Not at all.

Possibly 3rd round but the 2nd nate missed most of his punches.

Being able to watch it back on Fight Pass in HD and rewind by 10 seconds, then watching the slow-mos in the replays makes such a difference! :O

On this, it will probably be a lot easier to watch fights when they are 60fps. I've seen a few on youtube before and it really makes the motions much clearer.

JJayoo · 24-08-2016 12:01AM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Not sure I agree with that..Diaz was way heavier than a typical LW would be in the octagon at around 190lbs. And Conor was on the lighter side at around 167lbs. That's if you're willing to believe the numbers quoted by both.

Diaz said he was about 175 in his post fight press conference.

Alverze
RDA
Kakaib hard to know what condition he is in
Barbossa
Ferguson
Poirer

Mellor · 24-08-2016 12:07AM

froog wrote: »

these 3, 4 and 6 month suspensions are pretty standard. they're often reduced later.

The commission have a clause that it can't be reduced past October.

That said, he can train without contact. And if a doctor clears him to train, the NSAC have no say what he does in Dublin

scudzilla wrote: »

Wonder how Conor's contract is working, Diaz 1 fight he got $1mill, Diaz 2 fight he got $3mill, can see him getting $5mill for his next fight (and yes, there is a precedent, Brock)

That's just his fight purse though. He made a lot more that 1 and 3 million for those fights. North of $10m, some estimates put him as high as $15m all up.
The $3m takes the record off Brock's $2.5m, I can't imagine he'd want to increase it to $5m as it just increases his tax bill.
That's assume PPV share isn't taxed the same and income, if it is then it's irrelevant.

dave1982 · 24-08-2016 12:10AM

I can see the setting a fight between Nick and Conor @170lbs a fight I think they'd both be interested in and it be big payday

Outlaw Pete · 24-08-2016 12:36AM

Angry Diaz fan pulls gun and starts shooting over McGregor's UFC 202 win

Tis past Saturday, just after midnight (local time) in Joplin, Missouri, police were called to the Flying J truck-stop on the eastern edge of the city after reports of a man firing a weapon into the night’s sky.

Between the Denny’s and Blue Beacon Truck Wash, Joplin PD apprehended 25-year-old Las Vegas resident Ulysses Liaina Jr. without incident and recovered a 9mm Ruger handgun and 13 spent bullet casings.

“Witnesses and friends all said he just pointed it straight up in the air. And so he wasn’t aiming at anybody,” said Captain Bob Higginbotham, who spoke to local outlet KZRG. When police asked Liaina his reasons for discharging his firearm in a public place, they received an unusual answer. Liaina allegedly told officers he shot into the air because he was upset that Conor McGregor had just defeated Nate Diaz in their much anticipated rematch at UFC 202.

“It was apparently his method of venting,” added Higginbotham.

Liaina was charged with a single count of unlawful use of a weapon. In Missouri, that offense can be categorized as either a misdemeanor or a felony - depending on the circumstances. If found guilty, Liaina may incur up to $5,000 in fines.

No one was harmed in the incident. Ulysses Liaina Jr. is considered innocent until proven guilty.

AlmightyCushion · 24-08-2016 01:32AM

Mellor wrote: »

The commission have a clause that it can't be reduced past October.

That said, he can train without contact. And if a doctor clears him to train, the NSAC have no say what he does in Dublin

That's just his fight purse though. He made a lot more that 1 and 3 million for those fights. North of $10m, some estimates put him as high as $15m all up.
The $3m takes the record off Brock's $2.5m, I can't imagine he'd want to increase it to $5m as it just increases his tax bill.
That's assume PPV share isn't taxed the same and income, if it is then it's irrelevant.

The PPV share is taxed the same as income.

Mellor · 24-08-2016 02:25AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The PPV share is taxed the same as income.

Do you have a source for that?
I'm not disputing it, as I don't enough about the system, genuinely curious.

Fight purse is obviously taxed as income by the government (There's no state tax in nevada) as it's basically pay for doing a job. But surely the PPV money could be handled differently for the sake of some tax avoidance.
If he's paying 40% on the lot he surely needs a new accountant. :pac:

Swashbuckler · 24-08-2016 08:04AM

JJayoo wrote:

Diaz said he was about 175 in his post fight press conference.

JJayoo wrote:

Alverze RDA Kakaib hard to know what condition he is in Barbossa Ferguson Poirer

Diaz said before the fight he was North of 190. Based on the size difference between the two in the cage I don't for one second believe he was 175. It's in his best interests to downplay his weight now.

I wouldn't agree with your top 6 but I guess that's ur opinion.

The Rooster · 24-08-2016 08:52AM

Mellor wrote: »

Do you have a source for that?
I'm not disputing it, as I don't enough about the system, genuinely curious.

Fight purse is obviously taxed as income by the government (There's no state tax in nevada) as it's basically pay for doing a job. But surely the PPV money could be handled differently for the sake of some tax avoidance.
If he's paying 40% on the lot he surely needs a new accountant. :pac:

But Conor still lives in Ireland, doesnt he? Irish residents are taxed on their worldwide income, wherever earned. So if Conor is still Irish resident, he'd be paying total tax at 53%-55% on the full whack. From an Irish perspective purse fee and PPV share would be treated exactly the same (income).

Subcomandante Marcos · 24-08-2016 09:06AM

The Rooster wrote: »

But Conor still lives in Ireland, doesnt he? Irish residents are taxed on their worldwide income, wherever earned. So if Conor is still Irish resident, he'd be paying total tax at 53%-55% on the full whack. From an Irish perspective purse fee and PPV share would be treated exactly the same (income).

It's not taxed as PAYE income. He's not an employee of the UFC, it's like an independent contractor situation. The UFC will pay Conor McGregor LTD the money, and his accountants will minimise his tax burden. If he has really good accountants he'll pay a lot less than 50% but it will still be substantial.

All monies earned in relation to the fight will be taxed in the same way.

The cost of his camp, travel, lodgings, that gym in the warehouse, bringing the team over, paying them an allowance, all that stuff is deductible too.

JJayoo · 24-08-2016 11:24AM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Diaz said before the fight he was North of 190. Based on the size difference between the two in the cage I don't for one second believe he was 175. It's in his best interests to downplay his weight now.

.

And it's in McG interest to play it up fighting the bigger man/moving up to fight a welterweight etc Diaz is obviously taller but in reality he is a string of piss with very little muscle mass, he is absolutely nowhere close to 200pounds.

Mellor · 24-08-2016 11:33AM

The Rooster wrote: »

But Conor still lives in Ireland, doesnt he? Irish residents are taxed on their worldwide income, wherever earned. So if Conor is still Irish resident, he'd be paying total tax at 53%-55% on the full whack. From an Irish perspective purse fee and PPV share would be treated exactly the same (income).

If he was an employee of UFC (Ltd) then yeah, he'd pay income tax on the lot. But he isn't. USA and Ireland have a tax treaty, so you can't get taxed on it twice. The liability would be less in the US.

My point was that if he can handle it differently to avoid tax. As SM describes above.

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