Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

whelan2 wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

Can they not show ye where or who the overpayment is made if they are demanding it back? Could be at least an opportunity to see how exactly the fixed part is arrived upon if it is milk that is locked in

8 pages of a milk statment, then trading statement is seperate, really want to be concentrating especially when in a few fixed price schemes

8 pages? That's crazy. Dairygold is two, I think a small paragraph showing how much in fixed and what it's worth then as well. Has solids for last 12 months on it coop top and bottom 10% and average and then your price breakdown for month along with quality scorecard and that's it more or less

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Stan, is that 1c off all your milk, all your fixed price milk or the portion in index linked scheme?

That reads like a list of options for management to choose from when they decide to fcuk you over.

stanflt wrote: »

Nearly 1 cpl across all my milk this month

Fuming as the only positive with being a Glanbia supplier was there fixed price scheme which now are really only a liability with Glanbia able to take money back without any notifications

If I was the man in Nigeria selling the milk id be worried that there could be a mass exudes of Glanbia suppliers -

Word on the ground is that disgruntled farmers are really to picket

There's only one day to picket and that's somewhere around the 15th -18th of Dec. Volumes are very small and they have huge demand for every drop most of it for fresh product. No warning or as little as possible. Power to a point.

stanflt wrote: »

Nearly 1 cpl across all my milk this month

Fuming as the only positive with being a Glanbia supplier was there fixed price scheme which now are really only a liability with Glanbia able to take money back without any notifications

If I was the man in Nigeria selling the milk id be worried that there could be a mass exudes of Glanbia suppliers -

Word on the ground is that disgruntled farmers are really to picket

Is most of your milk fixed? Confused

freedominacup wrote: »

There's only one day to picket and that's somewhere around the 15th -18th of Dec. Volumes are very small and they have huge demand for every drop most of it for fresh product. No warning or as little as possible. Power to a point.

wouldnt even have to picket , just block the entrance to your farm

I got lambasted for being against fixed price schemes, in theory not a bad idea but in ireland.. I hope in hell arrabawn don't go down that route. Nothing worse than a claw back especially with s/l fine and crap price. I thought when I read about Fonterra in Australia it would never happen here, I don't like a new precedence

kevthegaff wrote: »

I got lambasted for being against fixed price schemes, in theory not a bad idea but in ireland.. I hope in hell arrabawn don't go down that route. Nothing worse than a claw back especially with s/l fine and crap price. I thought when I read about Fonterra in Australia it would never happen here, I don't like a new precedence

I stayed the hell away from any fixed price scheme, I'm cynical in terms of all insurance policies providers always have a cut out of it,(which this simply is, an insurance against low milk price), similarly I've been lucky enough to stay away from any of the advanced payments schemes, loans etc. They have their place with highly borrowed systems, but I'm totally allergic to borrowing heavily to expand in dairying, I just don't have the long term confidence in dairying while we pursue this race to the bottom international commodity path.

Anyways on a different note. All this Glanbia "cookie jar fund" , coop support, "our own money" topups, call it what ya like, anyways will that all have to be paid back??? And if so in what format? Will it be something like if the Base goes above 30c will Glanbia spend the next year deducting 1 or 2 c/l off our cheques every month???

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Now wouldn't that be dumb
Get the milk through the meter first

No not really I assume like here most farms would have 4or 5 days storage at that time of year . I'm not talking about dumping it

Keepgrowing wrote: »

We've enough 1916 now for a while
A four hour blockade of trucks getting into the liquid plants around in the second week of December would get their attention and not 1 drop needs to go to slurry pit.
It's brains that's required not brawn

+1 easier co ordinate a plant picket in a very short time frame than relying on farmers to hold dump milk ,lots will bottle it and just let truck in .action at the gates cut supply ,get the TV cameras insect do week December would be perfect timing and have a big effect .bigfest problem would be keeping the organisation of it hush hush till go time

Mooooo wrote:

Can they not show ye where or how the overpayment is made if they are demanding it back? Could be at least an opportunity to see how exactly the fixed part is arrived upon if it is milk that is locked in

+1000

As I've said before, it is of the utmost importance to determine whether a fixed price contact is a transparent mirror of a single customer contract, or an arbitrary pricing mechanism created by the processor.

If it turns out to be the latter, the so called co-op is actually making a book against one group of its suppliers to the (potential) benefit of others.... that is a very different animal.

I get the feeling that nobody in ICSMA etc. really understands the implications of these arrangements or knows what questions to ask. As prices (hopefully) recover making the most of these arrangements and making them transparent needs to be an industry priority.

Ed, is it all farmers that are to with hold milk or all suppliers including yourself?

kowtow wrote: »

It might become important for every farm to impose a comprehensive on site disinfection protocol on the milk tanker, including a written statement of movements prior to and planned after the pickup.

Traceability & bio security, can't be too careful.

Now that's good lol