Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

Stacksofwacks · 14-08-2016 02:35AM

lads, The scoreboard wasnt updated after Maurice's point before Pauric took the free, perhaps he thought we needed a goal so lobbed the ball in. I just watched it back and i noticed the way he struck it was very unusual like he meant to lob it into the square rather than hit it over..I could be wrong and it would be horrible for him, but I think that's what happened

dastardly00 · 14-08-2016 02:37AM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

lads, The scoreboard wasnt updated after Maurice's point before Pauric took the free, perhaps he thought we needed a goal so lobbed the ball in. I just watched it back and i noticed the way he struck it was a little unusual like he meant to lob it into the square rather than hit it over..I might be wrong and it would be horrible for the lad but I think that may be what happened

It took them a while to update the two scoreboards.... But it was up to date before Mahony took the free.

Stacksofwacks · 14-08-2016 02:39AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

It took them a while to update the two scoreboards.... But it was up to date before Mahony took the free.

I know that, but he may not have seen it, i didnt know myself whether the shot was for the equalizer until someone beside me said it, even Brendan Cummins made the same mistake in commentary

Stacksofwacks · 14-08-2016 02:59AM

JesusRef wrote: »

So heartbroken for Derek and the lads... but they have made us all so proud. What a fantastic bunch of lads

yeah I watched Derek's interview after the game, he's such a nice guy who put so much work in, I'm really gutted for him, hope he stays on but he hinted he may not

tbiggertycome · 14-08-2016 04:13AM

Lads I don't want to be condescending and plamasin ye however I probably will. Obviously being a Cat I'm delighted we won and especially because we only just got over the line and that was down to ye're excellent play and pressure applied on our lads through out. A Gleason is a savage player and with the supporting cast there is definitely a good few shots at AI's in ye're team. In fairness I've always hated ye're sweeper I think it really damages the game we all love and as I said on here if D McG goes out playing like that in the semi ye should drop him next year as he couldn't progress ye but fair dues to him he took me and most of the country by surprise the first day and continued it today. Having listened to interviews with him I firmly believe he will win ye an AI if ye can persuade him to stay. He is straight, honest and humble and loves his county. He also has a much bigger set of cajones than I ever thought he had and if he brings ye forward playing like that I think ye will crush teams. I know a lot of ye were clammering for Stephen Bennett to play and ye got ye're wish, as is often the case the step up from U21 to senior is very steep. It didn't work for him tonight but a good lash of games in the League next year will bring him on a ton. I'm not trying to gloat or rub it in here but the better team gave up a draw last Sunday and the better team won today. I hope ye keep ye're manager, keep playing the way ye did in the last two games and we'll see ye in the AI very soon.

chinguetti · 14-08-2016 07:38AM

Well that's that for another year. Two great performances in a week but no cigar. Thought that they did very well to bring it back from 5 points down in early second half to have a chance at the end. Ref (unlike last week) gave us the soft frees this time around.

Think we hit a lull in the middle of the second half where we hit some terrible wides and balls into Murphy - KK just directed Glesson into a blind alley a couple of times where he had no support and shot wildly. The benefits of experience!

If anything, it shows the team and management that they can play a more forward approach and live with teams in a match. Who stays and who goes will probably be decided over the winter so no point in guessing but thanks for all involved in their efforts over the year. We might roar abuse and disagree on here about styles and approaches to hurling, but the common goal is there. I just hope I'm there when they achieve that goal.

cul beag · 14-08-2016 08:47AM

Gutted. To be so near again is heartbreaking but simple mistakes all added up to us not getting over the line. Definitely KK were the better team and the 3 points they scored before halftime had a big bearing on the result. Mick Fennelly was immense before going off and his brother cleaned us out. I can't understand how we never made a switch there? I think when Brick retires we will only then realise how good he is. He is a powerhouse and just keeps delivering,I just hope for his experience alone that he stays for another year.
From last year we have got closer to KK but still not past them. Beaten league finalists,beaten Munster finalists,beaten all Ireland semi finalists but at least in the last two games we showed what we are capable of when not strangled by a defensive system. A KK man beside me said" It's all well and good feeling proud of your team's displays but results are what count and moral victories unfortunately earn you no silverware" In the cold light of day it's hard to take but I can see where he's coming from.

DE DEISE · 14-08-2016 10:18AM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

lads, The scoreboard wasnt updated after Maurice's point before Pauric took the free, perhaps he thought we needed a goal so lobbed the ball in. I just watched it back and i noticed the way he struck it was very unusual like he meant to lob it into the square rather than hit it over..I could be wrong and it would be horrible for him, but I think that's what happened

That's exactly what I thought , even Brendan Cummins on commentary said the same he thought there was 2 points in it at that stage until Marty corrected him , If Paudie thought the same than this is cruel

DE DEISE · 14-08-2016 10:20AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

It took them a while to update the two scoreboards.... But it was up to date before Mahony took the free.

Ye but did he see it or did anyone inform him ?????????????

mountgomery burns · 14-08-2016 10:22AM

He was definitely going for a point.

conditioned games · 14-08-2016 11:26AM

Winning our own puckouts was an issue last year when we played KK and was again an issue this time. I don't understand why SOK chooses to hit the ball down the middle into a conjested area where KK have a bunch of men located.

Last year I made the suggestion there should be some movement from the wing forwards where they interchange positions as the ball is about to be hit out, thereby running on to the ball and increasing the possession percentages. If not this then at least hit it to the wings and direct it to one on ones instead of the congested middle.

That aside there are lots of positives from how the team played. I thought the gap was too great to make up from last year based on how dominant KK were in the physical exchanges and fielding of ball from general play. But this is an area WD matched KK this time around and are very unlucky not to be preparing for an All Ireland now.

As regards the manager he was won over hurling followers both locally and nationally after an initially difficult first year. The way he carries himself both on and off the field has won the respect of many critics including myself. I really hope he stays on as there is unfinished business here. This panel will continue to get stronger and develop provided they stick together. If they can do that then I believe there is an All Ireland in this team.

lim4ev · 14-08-2016 11:42AM

My take on it is I know Waterford are hurting this morning and rightly so but if ye look at the bigger picture it's actually looking good for ye in the long term I know some will say you got to do it now cos you may not get back to this stage(we came close to beating them in semi in 14) but ye did it two games in a row with the exception of brick(who was immense)all the others will be there next yr and most are v young and some would say too young to be winning all irls. Last yr kk toyed with ye in semi it didn't happen this yr and I genuinely believe ye'r at their and tipps level and will only improve from here delighted the sweeper is more or less gone.
Two points I'd like to make

I saw Austin gleeson for first time v limk in minor Munster final in 2013 and after 5 min I said omg!! He has lived up to what I thought were his capabilities he has it all and if he gets better it could be scary how good this kid could end up.

You just have to hand it to kk and esp Cody I don't know how they do it but you'd think with injuries and age profile plus all their winnings that they'd just go away but what can you say their desire spirit and unwavering will to win plus their cuteness etc etc etc is unreal he's getting so much out of lads that have given so much.

Having said the above I think Waterford can deliver the big one soon but ye have to keep the gentleman that is Derek MC grath

tomwaterford · 14-08-2016 11:53AM

Be fair to mcgrath he has answered his critics and not ridgily stuck to the sweeper as was criticised (by myself included)

I was particularly worried at half time....taught kk would come out and get an early goal and maybe push it out to7/8 points
But waterford survived the onslaught and looked to be in a great position with 20 mins to go

And to pull it back from 5 down to level took a performance that we've not seen from them before and is to be commended
....still to run the three soft enough points at end of first half

As for where to from here.....would hope to see the two Bennetts maybe be a bit bulkier and not shoved off the ball/find it easier to go through tackles (no critism intended...their young )

Would hope tomo devine to improve slightly in skills as I'd imagine he's built to take the role of the brick

But above all....I'd like to see waterford draw tipp in the first round next year....to see where we're at

paddy13 · 14-08-2016 12:07PM

I would just like to say how proud I am of this transmission and management. They gave everything to the cause. I am so disappointed but delighted with the character and resolve this team.

I hope Derek and management stay on. I don't want to criticise any of them cause they really gave everything. I hope that this just makes them better for next year.

Maybe it would have been a bit much for some of them to be playing U-21 and senior final within a few weeks of each other(providing they beat Antrim)

Up the Déise
Come on the U-21's!!!

carter10 · 14-08-2016 01:30PM

conditioned games wrote: »

Winning our own puckouts was an issue last year when we played KK and was again an issue this time. I don't understand why SOK chooses to hit the ball down the middle into a conjested area where KK have a bunch of men located.

Not true, there was a significant improvement this year:
2015- Wfd won 52% of own puckout against 48% kk,
Wfd won 41% of KK puckouts against 59%. Overall KK-53% Wfd-47%

2016 Replay

Own puck out - W65% v KK35%
KK puck out - W65% v KK35%

Overall we won 34 out of 52 puckouts, KK won 18

dubcat51 · 14-08-2016 04:42PM

Lads great game and good words from mcgrath.on another note someone needs to tell dan to sit ffff down.

conditioned games · 14-08-2016 05:09PM

carter10 wrote: »

Not true, there was a significant improvement this year:
2015- Wfd won 52% of own puckout against 48% kk,
Wfd won 41% of KK puckouts against 59%. Overall KK-53% Wfd-47%

2016 Replay

Own puck out - W65% v KK35%
KK puck out - W65% v KK35%

Overall we won 34 out of 52 puckouts, KK won 18

A significant improvement in winning own puckouts? There was a significant improvement in winning opposition puckouts and fielding ball in general play but in that second half yesterday several puckouts were aimed down the centre in conjested areas that KK comfortably dealt with. Winning own puckouts and making use of that possession is an area that needs to be looked at going forward.

JesusRef · 14-08-2016 08:33PM

We probably out fielded Kilkenny more times in the last 7 days than anyone else has in God knows how long!

No harm to mix it up and have a few short ones here and there, but with KK forwards main tackling and ability to get goals I think it is probably a wise option to drive it up the field

DeiseDawg · 14-08-2016 08:49PM

U21s: Semple Stadium, Sat 20th August.
Waterford v Antrim 4pm
Galway v Dublin 6pm
Let's go in our thousands and support the Under 21s in their quest for All Ireland glory.
These lads have minor medals, U21s this year? And senior all-ireland in 2017?
Keep on rockin'

TGV · 14-08-2016 09:09PM

Well done to KK they were marginally the better team and I think they will achieve the three in a row. Interesting the final score line today Galway v Tipp was very close to yesterday and to me proves the gap between Tipp and Waterford is no where near the Munster final result.

On another point the GAA really need to take some action on managers having a discussion with the ref at the half time whistle. That and both managers having a go at the lines man. I am not saying it would have changed the final result but it is unsavory and not very sporting. If the ref was a bit easy on Waterford yesterday well so what, I have seen plenty of stranger calls going KKs way over the years.

I was happy for Dillon yesterday, he was subject to really unfair comments on here over the last few months. I have always believed he has the talent and given the change in our style of play over the last two games I can see him having a better 2017.

Roll on 2017 with a team a little bit older, a lot wiser and with the confidence to make it happen.

Finally best of luck to the u21s next week, hope they can recover in time from the two senior games.

PTH2009 · 14-08-2016 10:44PM

If we lose to Antrim nxt Saturday it will be the biggest disaster in Waterford hurling history. They upset Wexford in 2013 after being wrote off prior to the game

Hopefully it's a mismatch and the whole squad could be used

I actually think it was a brilliant year for the seniors bar yesterday's loss, the Munster and league final defeats. We put it up to Kilkenny, we upset the odds In the Munster Semi and won well. We are now playing a more attractive style and hopefully we can build on it.

tomwaterford · 14-08-2016 10:47PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we lose to Antrim nxt Saturday it will be the biggest disaster in Waterford hurling history. They upset Wexford in 2013 after being wrote off prior to the game

Hopefully it's a mismatch and the whole squad could be used

I actually think it was a brilliant year for the seniors bar yesterday's loss, the Munster and league final defeats. We put it up to Kilkenny, we upset the odds In the Munster Semi and won well. We are now playing a more attractive style and hopefully we can build on it.

I would regard the 08 all Ireland and some of them munster finals in the 80s not minding losing to kerry in 93 as bigger disasters

They'll beat Antrim pulling up.....lads in Antrim arent giving them much hope

PTH2009 · 14-08-2016 11:07PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I would regard the 08 all Ireland and some of them munster finals in the 80s not minding losing to kerry in 93 as bigger disasters

They'll beat Antrim pulling up.....lads in Antrim arent giving them much hope

Unless the Antrim lads are messing with us and they have a team full of Austin Gleesons lol

Anyone here of this civic reception that the team are getting. If true would they not wait til the under 21s are done to do it ???

cul beag · 14-08-2016 11:19PM

The 3 year plan laid out by McGrath has brought us victory in the league last yr. It has brought us losses in 2 Munster finals,2 all Ireland semi finals and 1 league final. Consistent to a certain extent but not good enough YET to make the big breakthrough against the big 2. 6 weeks ago we were slaughtering the defensive system after the hammering in the Munster final,we poured more fuel on the fire after the Wexford game and pleaded for the players to be left hurl.
In the last week we have seen what can be achieved by placing trust in these gifted hurlers wether that was by default or otherwise( I believe he had no choice but to go more direct as his fool proof plan had been exposed by Tipp),it has given us supporters renewed optimism for the future. There are still problems to be ironed out both on and off the field(all is not as it seems behind the scenes either) but maybe a freshness there may be no harm either as Cody has proven over the years when bringing in different selectors at different times in KK.

mickmackmcgoo · 14-08-2016 11:28PM

Heard that today about behind the scenes stuff going on but what's new there. I don't think Derek will stay on though, he put a lot into it

PTH2009 · 14-08-2016 11:52PM

It will be a shame to see McGrath and Co go as they have done a terrific job.

Wonder would Derek go to a different county (Wexford, offaly etc).

The under 21 management will be clear favourites to take over but who else is there ???. Peter Quelley, Fergal Hartley, Ken McGrath , Kevin Ryan ???.

The bigger names are either too old, won't manage against there natvie county or have other commitments

Deskjockey · 14-08-2016 11:54PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anyone here of this civic reception that the team are getting. If true would they not wait til the under 21s are done to do it ???

I don't think there should be a civic reception for the senior team this year (brilliant as they were, both this weekend and last) as they haven't won any silverware. While the offer was probably made with the best of intentions (or after a skinful of large bottles [I've no idea]) I just think it would be an awkward one for all parties in the cold light of day. Just my tuppence worth, people might disagree

mickmackmcgoo · 15-08-2016 12:00AM

Deskjockey wrote:

I don't think there should be a civic reception for the senior team this year (brilliant as they were, both this weekend and last) as they haven't won any silverware. While the offer was probably made with the best of intentions (or after a skinful of large bottles [I've no idea]) I just think it would be an awkward one for all parties in the cold light of day. Just my tuppence worth, people might disagree

Agree on that. There should be no receptions. We won nothing !! Probably some attention seeking politician suggested it . What player would want to go to that? Most will be back with their clubs training the others with the 21s so they all have something to play for and try win

Dick phelan · 15-08-2016 12:46AM

Hope McGrath stays on for one more year, i hold my hand up i thought he had brought them as far as he could with the system but he showed he could change things in the SF's, the lads clearly respect him and there's good team spirit there, I really think if we come on further next year we'll be hard to beat and potential AI winners. Hope McGrath doesn't feel like he's at a dead end because the two SF's showed real improvement, the first SF was the best i'v seen Waterford play in years.

robopaddy2 · 15-08-2016 12:55AM

At least theres a great chance for the u21 lads to pick themselves straight back up against Antrim next Saturday. If we were playing either Dublin or Galway in the semi it could well have been a bridge too far for these lads who have been through the mill over the past 6 weeks. But get over Antrim and I think we wont have a better chance of winning an U21 AI. It would be a great tonic for the county to win it after the disappointment of another close senior semi-final defeat.

But I think we are on an upward curve. When were were losing semi-finals under Davy Fitz it felt like we were hitting a brick wall, but under Derek at least it feels we are slowly chiseling our way through it.

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