Vegan parents should be jailed.

Armies that conquered the known world marched and fought on stale bread and wine and now we have people who think milk is bad for you.

For all the **** Clint Eastwood gets, he's correct in some things...

meeeeh wrote: »

As much as I could read the links they suggest that meat has some health benefits. Less than 500g per week of red meat (two steaks) does not significantly increase the risk of cancer. Processed meat like other processed foods is more damaging.

Also there is a difference between established link to cancer and that link being significant.

I never said it was really unhealthy, they just asked for links, and I remember reading about it when it was a story.

I don't eat red meat at all (taste reasons) but still have poultry and odd time fish - plus supplements.

"Show me a vegan and I'll show you a face full of zits!"

Ruby Wax

Not a chance our kids would be on a vegan diet while we decide what they eat.

My wife is vegetarian and I'm a pretty infrequent meat eater but the kids still have meat 2-3 times a week, with the rest of our (proper, not processed) meals being fish or vegetarian.

Got to love the extremists as ever. The choice obviously being either a vegan or Vicky Pollard Iceland TV meal household. Whatever.

As for putting carnivore pets on a vegan diet, get a fcuking grip.

There is no real issue with an adult human who has finished growing and developing eating a vegan diet, as long as they have the sense to do the research and ensure they are adequately compensated for missing nutrients. Many of these can be replaced by pulses and the like, but if vitamin pills are needed, it's best to take the pills.

The issue is when poorly informed parents assume that their children can live healthily on an absolutely vegan diet without other supplements.

Two examples:
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/baby-breastfed-by-vegan-mother-dies/

Exactly what the article says. The baby was eleven days old when she died, suffering from severe deficiencies in essential vitamin A and B12, both of which tend to be hard to get from a vegan diet.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/12-year-old-vegan-has-the-degenerating-bones-of-80-year-old/
An older child, again fed a strictly vegan diet. She was admitted to a Glasgow hospital suffering from rickets and degenerating bones in the spine.

It is perfectly possible to feed your child (or yourself!) too much meat. Ireland is particularly bad for it, as it happens. One meat meal a week is enough to get the vitamins needed to stay healthy*. Reading through the thread, I noted that even vegan/vegetarian posters specifically do not force their children to have only a vegan diet, but rather either because the other parent eats meat every so often and cooks it, or they otherwise allow their children to have meat every so often, and that their children are hale and healthy. This is great, although it doesn't prove or disprove the "veganism is fine for kids" debate, because the children are not strictly vegan.

As always, there is a sensible middle ground. I think 5 years in jail for the parents of that poor baby is harsh for ignorance, but if a child is obviously suffering malnutrition (easier to tell in older children than babies), then even a strict vegan parent must take note of it or they -are-, however ignorantly, abusing their child.



*Caveat - this is a recommended amount, but differing body types, metabolism etcetera will influence it obviously.

Clickbait journalism with misleading headline

Smondie wrote: »

Why is misleading? Children dying from being fed vegan diets are the motivation behind the bill.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37034619
Parents who restrict their children to a vegan diet could face a jail term if a controversial bill is passed by the Italian parliament.
Such parents, the draft bill claims, are imposing a diet "devoid of essential elements for [children's] healthy and balanced growth".
It has been proposed by Elvira Savino of the centre-right Forza Italia party.
It follows a number of high-profile Italian cases where malnourished children have been taken into care.
In four cases over the last 18 months, malnourished children were hospitalised in Italy after being fed a vegan diet.


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/aug/10/parents-children-vegan-diet-prosecuted-italian-law

to six years in prison.

Known as the “Savino law”, it aims to “stigmatise the reckless and dangerous eating behaviour imposed by parents ... to the detriment of minors”, reports Italian newspaper La Repubblica.

It encompassed vegan diets

You mean being fed a poor vegan diet. Whats the difference between a poor vegan diet and any other poor diet? NOTHING

Smondie wrote: »

With a vegan diet the parent is forcing a restricted diet on thier child. If the parent is going to restrict thier child's diet because of thier vegan beliefs, it is up to the parent to make sure they know thier stuff or else the intentially depriving thier child if nutrients.

You can't just remove meat and dairy from the diet and claim ignorance about the effect it has on the child.

Children are dying. Other poor diets may not result in death, but a poor vegan diet will.

So again, you are talking about a poor vegan diet :rolleyes:

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

So from what foodstuffs do vegans get their protein? (Not saying they don't, just don't know much about the area).

A quick google gave me a list of 25 items.

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-health/vegan-sources-of-protein/