Waterford Airport.

dzilla · 03-08-2016 11:58am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

CelticRambler wrote:

What happened to the European College of Aviation? They were offering "fear of flying" sessions for a while, aswell as recruitment services. Their web address no longer goes anywhere.

Think that was the place that folded couple of years ago. There was war over it, lads half way through training and paid up

no that was the pilot college the College of Aviation was different it was set up around 18 months ago. Pilot college was gone in september 2012

questionmark? · 03-08-2016 6:01pm

Sully wrote: »

What work is there with no flights? Genuine question. Wonder what goes on beyond airport doors when nobody is flying in or out

Far from nobody flying in and out just no scheduled flights. On the 30th of July there was 180 aircraft movements! Busier than what you'd think.

JCX BXC · 03-08-2016 7:46pm

questionmark? wrote: »

Far from nobody flying in and out just no scheduled flights. On the 30th of July there was 180 aircraft movements! Busier than what you'd think.

180?!? What were they all doing!

space2ground1 · 03-08-2016 7:49pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

180?!? What were they all doing!

Rod Stewart was doing a concert in Kilkenny and dropped in by private jet and then headed home to London.

Rescue 117 use the runway for arrival & departure too.

I've yet to sort my private jet needs so I guess that'll have to go on a future month's list.

questionmark? · 03-08-2016 9:04pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

180?!? What were they all doing!

180 included take offs and landings. Lots of private business jets, SAR helicopter, private planes etc etc..

b757 · 03-08-2016 9:12pm

- Waterford Aero Club & Local based aircraft.
- Search and Rescue.
- Atlantic Flight Training Academy brings a couple 172's and Senecas down on a daily basis due to cork being so busy.
- Private Jet traffic. Regular Citation/Phenom 300/Cessna Conquest; with the odd visit of CL300-600/G550/Lear 45 type and more.
- IFR Training. Aer Corps/Gardai/Closeby flying schools & clubs are regular visitors.

PTC closed down, European school of aviation is only ground school - infact I believe they moved elsewhere.

With all that being said, may not pay all the bills but atleast there is something flying in and out keeping them going while things are being sorted. It's actually getting quite busy out there - had to hold for the first time in ages coming in recently. Hopefully something quite soon.

looksee · 04-08-2016 7:39am

Carnacalla wrote: »

180?!? What were they all doing!

Flying over my house mostly!

notharrypotter · 04-08-2016 8:53am

questionmark? wrote: »

Far from nobody flying in and out just no scheduled flights. On the 30th of July there was 180 aircraft movements! Busier than what you'd think.

For a fair comparison how many movements on
25 26, 27, 28, 29 & 31st?

Also based aircraft and the SAR helicopter would have preferential rates.

BBM77 · 04-08-2016 9:26am

b757 wrote: »

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- Private Jet traffic. Regular Citation/Phenom 300/Cessna Conquest; with the odd visit of CL300-600/G550/Lear 45 type and more...

Ok spill the beans, who are the celebs? Other than Rod Stewart.

Teebor15 · 04-08-2016 10:28am

notharrypotter wrote: »

For a fair comparison how many movements on
25 26, 27, 28, 29 & 31st?

I don't know the figures, but from observation most days recently have been hitting 100 plus movements i'd say. Of course its mainly light aircraft, who are very weather dependent so your not going to have a huge amount of traffic on foggy, misty or days with low cloud. And we know they are not going to keep the airport viable in its current state but at least their is plenty of activity keeping the place ticking over while we await the next development, be that a new airline or infrastructure developments.

Ok spill the beans, who are the celebs? Other than Rod Stewart.

Not to many Celebs that I know of recently, though there have been quite a number pass through over the years. Its more business, for example Genzyme or Sanofi as they are now called fly their Jet in from France when the top dogs want to visit. And 'West', the new pharma plant do like wise and there are many more. The rest are just people with way too much money!

notharrypotter · 04-08-2016 10:40am

I don't know the figures,

But the person who posted 180 must have some access as the figure is too specific.

but from observation most days recently have been hitting 100 plus movements i'd say. Of course its mainly light aircraft, who are very weather dependent so your not going to have a huge amount of traffic on foggy, misty or days with low cloud

That is why I asked for the figures for the rest of the week to get an idea of an overall figure.

Next I think would be to pick a week in late November last year and get those numbers too for a rough comparison.

Teebor15 wrote: »

. And we know they are not going to keep the airport viable in its current state but at least their is plenty of activity keeping the place ticking over while we await the next development, be that a new airline or infrastructure developments.

!

But if you are not covering your costs then what?

Would it not be more correct to class the 180 as 90 landings and 90 departures?

Airport is open from about 7 am to 9pm with a lot of fixed costs.

There will always be a subvention to the costs due to the SAR but that will not cover everything.

Teebor15 · 04-08-2016 1:58pm

notharrypotter wrote: »

But the person who posted 180 must have some access as the figure is too specific.
That is why I asked for the figures for the rest of the week to get an idea of an overall figure.

Next I think would be to pick a week in late November last year and get those numbers too for a rough comparison.

But if you are not covering your costs then what?

Would it not be more correct to class the 180 as 90 landings and 90 departures?

Airport is open from about 7 am to 9pm with a lot of fixed costs.

There will always be a subvention to the costs due to the SAR but that will not cover everything.

Id guessing they got the figure from a recent post on the "Waterford Aviation" Facebook page.

A movement is either a landing to take off. 180 movements is not necessarily a 90 of each. TI also see lots of training approachs with a go around at the the last minute. I dont think these are counted as official movements but i could be wrong.

I have also seen very busy days in Winter or late November as you say with mmuch flying after dark. But I've also seen quite days on lovely sunny summer days too so i get the point your making.

With the recent redundancies, the staff and thus most of the costs have been pared back to minimum compared to when an Airline is operating so I'm sure the Airport will manage ok in the short term. Obviously the long term project and ambition to have affordable and sustainable passenger services to key destinations to the benefit of the south east region remains the goal.

questionmark? · 04-08-2016 11:42pm

I did indeed get it from waterford avation. No reason to disbelieve them.

Main thing is that the airport isn't a ghost town and there is still flights in and out. Hopefully there is someone willing to take on London flights.

invara · 08-08-2016 7:27pm

EUR 320 million new runway in pipeline for Dublin. ....... and nothing can be done for Waterford. Last time I heard the runway extension would cost Eur16 mil. The 500,000 people of South East not worth it.

Our local TDs continue to be unable to organise anything meaningful for their people. Govt tds Halligan and Deasy (and Butler) need to act on this now.... halt the Dublin project until Waterford's modest needs are delivered. Draw the simple value for money equivalence. Beat the drum.

TheFitz13 · 08-08-2016 7:33pm

invara wrote: »

EUR 320 million new runway in pipeline for Dublin. ....... and nothing can be done for Waterford. Last time I heard the runway extension would cost Eur16 mil. The 500,000 people of South East not worth it.

Our local TDs continue to be unable to organise anything meaningful for their people. Govt tds Halligan and Deasy (and Butler) need to act on this now.... halt the Dublin project until Waterford's modest needs are delivered. Draw the simple value for money equivalence. Beat the drum.

In fairness, Dublin NEEDS the new runway. There is a big difference between Dublin airport and Waterford airport. DUB doesn't only operate for the people that actually live there, it's for people in the surrounding counties that make up more than a third of the national population. 25m passengers in 2015 and growing again in 2016, the government aren't going to stop it due to waterfords misfortunes.

invara · 08-08-2016 7:51pm

Ireland has always been thrifty about infrastructure. In the EU we had a reputation for value for money on capital projects (until 15 yrs ago). A proper runway in Waterford (Dublin south) for less than 20 million bucks could take huge pressure off Dublin and perhaps the 'necessity' of their demands could be downgraded to a 'nice to have'. Dublin is overheating and we need balanced regional investment. There is no economic analysis behind Dublin airport s demand for taxpayer funded expansion.

man98 · 08-08-2016 8:31pm

The government aren't allowed to fund a new runway for Waterford, it's classed as state aid by the EU. The DAA are funding the €320 mill themselves, credit where credit's due. The TDs' hands are tied I'm afraid.

Teebor15 · 08-08-2016 11:54pm

man98 wrote: »

The government aren't allowed to fund a new runway for Waterford, it's classed as state aid by the EU. The TDs' hands are tied I'm afraid.

That is current Government policy based on EU Guidelines. The government can change that policy if they wish, but it would take extensive lobbying by our representatives in Dail Eireann and I'm not sure if they have enough clout. We will have to wait and see.

MentalMario · 09-08-2016 12:03am

invara wrote: »

EUR 320 million new runway in pipeline for Dublin. ....... and nothing can be done for Waterford. Last time I heard the runway extension would cost Eur16 mil. The 500,000 people of South East not worth it.

Our local TDs continue to be unable to organise anything meaningful for their people. Govt tds Halligan and Deasy (and Butler) need to act on this now.... halt the Dublin project until Waterford's modest needs are delivered. Draw the simple value for money equivalence. Beat the drum.

What has Waterford airport, or the people of the South East done to deserve a new runway?

Passenger numbers are woeful in Waterford. A new runway doesn't change that.

man98 · 09-08-2016 12:36am

Teebor15 wrote: »

That is current Government policy based on EU Guidelines. The government can change that policy if they wish, but it would take extensive lobbying by our representatives in Dail Eireann and I'm not sure if they have enough clout. We will have to wait and see.

I sincerely doubt even Enda has the clout to change that to be completely honest. Private sector investment is the only hope for Waterford really.

Wrongway1985 · 09-08-2016 12:57am

MentalMario wrote: »

What has Waterford airport, or the people of the South East done to deserve a new runway?

Passenger numbers are woeful in Waterford. A new runway doesn't change that.

No proper public transport to the airport either.

How could you expect a new runway when they couldn't even organize a bus.

TheFitz13 · 09-08-2016 2:48am

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

No proper public transport to the airport either.

How could you expect a new runway when they couldn't even organize a bus.

Or flights

Dum_Dum · 09-08-2016 4:22pm

I'm taking the view that prolonging the current malaise regarding the lack of runway infrastructure in the south-east is actually a rejection of the region and is just a symptom of much more deep-seated problems regarding our relationship with Dublin and the rest of the Republic. The relationship is broken.

No investment - public or private - is proxy for saying "we think you have no future; and our capital is going elsewhere".

hardybuck · 09-08-2016 4:32pm

Dum_Dum wrote: »

I'm taking the view that prolonging the current malaise regarding the lack of runway infrastructure in the south-east is actually a rejection of the region and is just a symptom of much more deep-seated problems regarding our relationship with Dublin and the rest of the Republic. The relationship is broken.

No investment - public or private - is proxy for saying "we think you have no future; and our capital is going elsewhere".

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/independent-td-got-funds-for-runway-in-government-deal-1.2654100

Worth keeping an eye on.

b757 · 09-08-2016 5:17pm

hardybuck wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/independent-td-got-funds-for-runway-in-government-deal-1.2654100

Worth keeping an eye on.

Came out a few months ago.

He'll do F all... All talk in my opinion.

invara · 09-08-2016 5:35pm

Dublin-istas have ways of making what they want to do sound natural. DAA is state owned it has huge borrowings on the new terminal..... the state is on the hook for these borrowings. Dublin airport and Aer Lingus have historically been the recipient of vast sums of state aid.

If they wanted to support WAT they would find a way. Halligan has get the money promised released immediately. The Dublin mafia will slow it down until the government falls. Put the gun to there heads today is the only way.

hardybuck · 09-08-2016 7:06pm

invara wrote: »

Dublin-istas have ways of making what they want to do sound natural. DAA is state owned it has huge borrowings on the new terminal..... the state is on the hook for these borrowings. Dublin airport and Aer Lingus have historically been the recipient of vast sums of state aid.

If they wanted to support WAT they would find a way. Halligan has get the money promised released immediately. The Dublin mafia will slow it down until the government falls. Put the gun to there heads today is the only way.

There's also the fact that Dublin airport is the fastest growing airport in Europe.

Their new runway will open up more long haul flights from Ireland to places like Australia, Far East, Africa etc. which currently go through hubs like London and Frankfurt.

It's also an important transatlantic hub, and the main airport for the island or Ireland - a lot of people from the north use it.

Going on about Dublin Airport is an absolute waste of time - Waterford should be focusing on getting it's own house in order before pointing the finger of blame elsewhere.

O Riain · 09-08-2016 9:04pm

hardybuck wrote: »

invara wrote: »

Dublin-istas have ways of making what they want to do sound natural. DAA is state owned it has huge borrowings on the new terminal..... the state is on the hook for these borrowings. Dublin airport and Aer Lingus have historically been the recipient of vast sums of state aid.

If they wanted to support WAT they would find a way. Halligan has get the money promised released immediately. The Dublin mafia will slow it down until the government falls. Put the gun to there heads today is the only way.

There's also the fact that Dublin airport is the fastest growing airport in Europe.

Their new runway will open up more long haul flights from Ireland to places like Australia, Far East, Africa etc. which currently go through hubs like London and Frankfurt.

It's also an important transatlantic hub, and the main airport for the island or Ireland - a lot of people from the north use it.

Going on about Dublin Airport is an absolute waste of time - Waterford should be focusing on getting it's own house in order before pointing the finger of blame elsewhere.

Tell me how the South East can even get the strength to lift it's head up to the table when all it gets are the scraps of the scraps?

TheQuietFella · 09-08-2016 10:06pm

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

No proper public transport to the airport either.

How could you expect a new runway when they couldn't even organize a bus.

The airport is only 13 km from the city and a taxi journey doesn't cost a fortune

or maybe get a lift from someone but no company in its right mind is going

to pay a driver, the cost of diesel and a bus for a random passenger at

Waterford Airport.

hardybuck · 09-08-2016 10:55pm

O Riain wrote: »

Tell me how the South East can even get the strength to lift it's head up to the table when all it gets are the scraps of the scraps?

Ah here...maybe ask the people in Knock or Farranfore for tips. Or the people from the south east who didn't use the services.

Waterford Airport.

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