Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

hardybuck · 08-08-2016 05:36PM

Rosita wrote: »

No. The rumours ranged from suiting the fans to having their palms greased but rumours are just that. I don't know the reason but I am presuming the reason does not have a sell-by date.

I think the reasons were largely financial. You'll find that Waterford were offered a share of the gate in 2009, which was sorely needed as the county board was struggling badly with finances back then.

I think that proposal was knocked on the head, at least publicly, ahead 2011 the Waterford v Tipp final, which was subsequently fixed for Pairc Ui Chaoimh, despite it being a death trap.

Cork obviously wasn't an option last year, so they went with Thurles probably to suit fans, but it's very unfair to expect one team to keep giving home advantage to their opponent when a home/away arrangement isn't possible.

Psychedelic · 08-08-2016 05:45PM

Club Deise says Waterford have been allocated the Town End terrace on Saturday.

blue note · 08-08-2016 06:05PM

Semple will be fine. I'd rather croker to be honest. Because I live in Dublin.

The only objection I have to thurles is that it has hawkeye!!!

John Kelly of · 08-08-2016 06:12PM

robbiezero wrote: »

One of the best games of hurling I have seen and in my 30 years of watching hurling, that was the best Waterford display I have seen.

ok game, not great. Kilkenny way below par almost caught out by journeyman Waterford side playing at their absolute peak.

mountgomery burns · 08-08-2016 06:15PM

2009 was the 125th anniversary of the GAA. It was pre arranged to play the Munster final in 2009 there.

Last year Cork was out of action and we hate Limerick. This year we got a reminder of why we hate Limerick.

In fairness, while I don't believe Thurles would ever disadvantage us, Brendan Maher and Bubbles did enough banging on about it in the aftermath of last years Munster final that you know it played a big part in their Munster Final motivation that Waterford were arrogant coming down to Thurles. The definition of insanity doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results etc etc

mountgomery burns · 08-08-2016 06:18PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Where is this notion that Thurles is advantage Waterford coming from? It is about twice as far from Waterford as it is from Kilkenny. Kilkenny's record in Thurles is very very good, and it's right on our doorstep. The fact that it's in Munster is irrelevant, and I'm not sure what "making it a fortress" actually means to be honest (I suppose people from other counties would be up for Waterford, but I'm not a huge believer in the idea that noisy fans are going to be an issue. Kilkenny play every major match in circumstances where the crowd are overwhelmingly against them (except Tipp 2013)). The size of the pitch is also irrelevant, even if it's bigger or smaller than Croke Park, I have no idea why it would give one or other team an advantage either way.

In fairness, Waterford have played 5 games in Thurles this year alone. Kilkenny play way more games than Waterford in Croke Park. Wouldn't have it down as a huge advantage but if it is Is an advantage to anyone it would surely be Waterford. Travel distance isn't the argument, its familiarity with the pitch.

PTH2009 · 08-08-2016 06:27PM

Heard Ken McGrath was going mad in the rte studio

Bar the league finl and Munster finals defeat it's been a great year for Waterford hurling. Will it get greater ??

John Kelly of · 08-08-2016 06:36PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Heard Ken McGrath was going mad in the rte studio

Bar the league finl and Munster finals defeat it's been a great year for Waterford hurling. Will it get greater ??

No they had their chance and will get well beaten now.
Tipp will beat the cats this year.

Motivator · 08-08-2016 06:42PM

John Kelly of wrote: »

ok game, not great. Kilkenny way below par almost caught out by journeyman Waterford side playing at their absolute peak.

Journeyman? Explain please, or do you even know the definition of a journeyman?

tomwaterford · 08-08-2016 06:42PM

John Kelly of wrote: »

ok game, not great. Kilkenny way below par almost caught out by journeyman Waterford side playing at their absolute peak.

Can't see how the youngest average aged team in the championship can be referred to as journey men

I think waterford have more to offer.....Shane Bennett won't be as quiet again??
Tom devine would have thrives in a game like that imo

Though kk have huge room for improvement....was having the craic in the pub with load of wans in the pub beforehand and they had the city West booked for the All Ireland already :pac:

Either way at least they've made us proud to be following waterford again

hurler on de ditch · 08-08-2016 06:50PM

unreal effort ,im sure Derek Mc Grath read my posts ,he knew he had no other option but to go up and have a go ,pity we didn't do it in the Munster Final either Tipp or KK would be gone now barring a draw that is

John Kelly of · 08-08-2016 06:55PM

Motivator wrote: »

Journeyman? Explain please, or do you even know the definition of a journeyman?

Waterford were playing at their absolute peak yesterday and scored 14 from play against a well below par KK, now compare that to Tipp who scored 1-24 from play in the 2014 final against the cats in top form.
Don't even mention the hiding Tipp gave them a few weeks ago.

KevIRL · 08-08-2016 07:00PM

Jesus lads, don't rise to it.

John Kelly of · 08-08-2016 07:08PM

lol

Motivator · 08-08-2016 07:14PM

John Kelly of wrote: »

Waterford were playing at their absolute peak yesterday and scored 14 from play against a well below par KK, now compare that to Tipp who scored 1-24 from play in the 2014 final against the cats in top form.
Don't even mention the hiding Tipp gave them a few weeks ago.

I asked you to explain your "journeyman" comment, not give me a history lesson.

Also, 2014 is a lifetime ago in hurling terms. Completely different ball game now so statistics from 2014 mean absolutely nothing. Anything else or is that all you've got? If you're going to try & wind people up at least do it properly.

Rosita · 08-08-2016 07:55PM

Motivator wrote: »

Also, 2014 is a lifetime ago in hurling terms. Completely different ball game now so statistics from 2014 mean absolutely nothing.

Is it really a different ball game now? We are just two results away from having the very same All Ireland finalists as 2014. Fourteen of the Kilkenny team that played in the 2014 final played yesterday.

Motivator · 08-08-2016 08:05PM

Rosita wrote: »

Is it really a different ball game now? We are just two results away from having the very same All Ireland finalists as 2014. Fourteen of the Kilkenny team that played in the 2014 final played yesterday.

That's my point, look at the average age of the Kilkenny team. They have a very poor bench. Michael Fennelly won't last 70 minutes on Saturday his legs are gone, Kilkenny know Waterford aren't afraid of them now.

Yesterday's result means nothing for Waterford if they don't go out & beat them Saturday night. Advantage Waterford.

Rosita · 08-08-2016 08:14PM

Motivator wrote: »

That's my point, look at the average age of the Kilkenny team. They have a very poor bench. Michael Fennelly won't last 70 minutes on Saturday his legs are gone,

But does that view not reinforce the point made by the other poster which disparaged Waterford's efforts compared to what happened two years ago? If Kilkenny are a shot team should Waterford not be doing more damage to them than 0-14 from play.

By the way, I am not making that argument myself, just pointing out what the other person said.

TGV · 08-08-2016 08:46PM

John Kelly of wrote: »

PTH2009 wrote: »

Heard Ken McGrath was going mad in the rte studio

Bar the league finl and Munster finals defeat it's been a great year for Waterford hurling. Will it get greater ??

No they had their chance and will get well beaten now.
Tipp will beat the cats this year.

Have you nothing better to do. I am Sure there is a Tipp or KK post on here somewhere. Go check it out!

mountgomery burns · 08-08-2016 08:49PM

Never understood how your score from play is the ultimate measure of your performance. If you're getting into positions where you have to be fouled and score from frees, surely that is evidence of good play?

C__MC · 08-08-2016 09:47PM

Kilkenny have won all there replays when they didnt level with the last score in the previous game
04 v clare
12 v galway
14 v galway
14 v tipp
They lost in 13 when they did level V Dublin. I also think the venue is irrelevant, kilkenny have won the league there on plenty of occasions as well as championship wins in 04, 06, 12 & 13.

One thing that I felt was a huge factor yesterday was the four week break KK had. It didnt' do them any favours. Hurling has become so intense and physical that game time is crucial. WF had two games (Senior plus 21) in that period of time. The kilkenny of 2006-2012 could manage the break with their strength and depth but I dont believe it suits them anymore. Waterford were immense yesterday, should have won it really. It was similar to the league game in Feb where waterford bullied kilkenny in every department. Reply will be interesting to say the least.

Motivator · 08-08-2016 11:10PM

Just watched the match again, Jesus the point Moran had scratched off by hawkeye...if he had found the free man making the run 10 yards in front of him, think it was Dillon, then he had literally the entire Kilkenny half to himself. What could have been! Not having a go at Moran, just pointing out how different we'd all be feeling today if he had looked up. Fully entitled to go for the score & I still think it was a legitimate point!

robopaddy2 · 09-08-2016 05:48AM

Only championship game I remember Kilkenny losing in Thurles in recent memory was the 2013 quarter final v Cork. And that was a day when Shefflin was harshly sent off. And I'm going back as far as the 1997 quarter final v Glaway when DJ Carey ran riot.

In saying that the only 2 times I remember us playing them there, we beat them in 2007 league final and caused them problems in 2013 qualifiers when the match went to extra time. Waterford are more comfortable in Thurles than Croker for sure, but I would by no means say that it gives us an advantage over them

cornerboy · 09-08-2016 07:24AM

Dont want to be critical but I dont like to see an interview about sundays match with Aussie in todays indo. Last sundays game doesnt matter anymore its over, forget it and focus on saturday night.

robopaddy2 · 09-08-2016 07:35AM

cornerboy wrote: »

Dont want to be critical but I dont like to see an interview about sundays match with Aussie in todays indo. Last sundays game doesnt matter anymore its over, forget it and focus on saturday night.

I don t see a problem with it myself. They re all amateurs so more power to him if he can get a few pound back out of it. My only big fear with Austin is that he will get sent off in a big game. We know he has a short fuse and weve seen in club games it doesn t take much to trigger it. He was lucky not to be sent off for the u21s, another ref would have easily shown a red. He s a marked man now and I can see it coming in a big senior match. I d hate to see him end up like Diarmud Connolly of Dublin get the reputation of a flawed genius. He just gets constantly tormented by opposing players in every game, and inevitably he caves from time to time.

Fred C Dobbs · 09-08-2016 08:55AM

cornerboy wrote: »

Dont want to be critical but I dont like to see an interview about sundays match with Aussie in todays indo. Last sundays game doesnt matter anymore its over, forget it and focus on saturday night.

The best hurler (young or otherwise) in the country is going to be box office material. Think Aussie thrives on the attention ; there's no self pity in his utterances ... he has a winners mentality. I'd say he's relishing the challenge next Saturday.

Fred C Dobbs · 09-08-2016 08:55AM

cornerboy wrote: »

Dont want to be critical but I dont like to see an interview about sundays match with Aussie in todays indo. Last sundays game doesnt matter anymore its over, forget it and focus on saturday night.

The best hurler (young or otherwise) in the country is going to be box office material. Think Aussie thrives on the attention ; there's no self pity in his utterances ... he has a winners mentality. I'd say he's relishing the challenge next Saturday.

Fred C Dobbs · 09-08-2016 08:55AM

cornerboy wrote: »

Dont want to be critical but I dont like to see an interview about sundays match with Aussie in todays indo. Last sundays game doesnt matter anymore its over, forget it and focus on saturday night.

The best hurler (young or otherwise) in the country is going to be box office material. Think Aussie thrives on the attention ; there's no self pity in his utterances ... he has a winners mentality. I'd say he's relishing the challenge next Saturday.

carter10 · 09-08-2016 09:01AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

O Riain wrote: »

For anyone who didn't see the game on the telly. When Moran was going for a goal the ball actually game off a Kilkenny man and but was signalled wide.

Also hogan went over on the ball but Fives was incorrectly penalised for picking the ball off the ground when he didn't.

Small things but when ya have a tight game drawn like that against KK then it's a bit sickening. That's not to mention the hawk-eye score showing the ball mostly on the inside of the post when it had already been given as a point by the umpire.

That's a 3 point swing right there.

Hogan was shouldered in the chest, should have been a free in. Hawkeye was correct, can't understand people complaining that they didn't get a point for a wide. It would be more in Waterford fans way to be asking why they're team referred to negative, defeatist bull**** tactics at the end of the game instead of pushing on and sealing a deserved victory. And maybe asking what was wrong mentally with the team to have so many shocking wides in the last ten minutes. They reverted to type, blaming refs and Hawkeye (blaming Hawkeye for being correct, no less!) is pathetic.

I said yesterday I wished ye the best and if Kilkenny lost hopefully we wouldn't be on making stupid excuses. I also said ye could win if ye played good attacking hurling. I think I was right on that count. To be fair, on this thread almost everyone is accepting that the match was lost by Waterford (definitely Kilkenny were let off the hook today, ye had us bet no question) on the line and in the head. All I can say is I'd love if your players went away blaming the ref, playing the victim. Then they wouldn't have to bother looking at themselves and their heads would be completely out of it for the next day.

I doubt that will be the case though. Ye are right to be proud of your players today, they were immense, Gleeson gave a lesson today. They showed they are as good a team of proper hurlers as good as any in the country when they're let hurl. No reason that they can't have the same sheer workrate next week as well. Kilkenny looked heavy and lethargic in comparison, and again no reason for that to change in a week. But your manager is very slow to learn a lesson. What's working? Direct hurling. Great. Well, we're ahead because of it, now I don't have any faith in my lads to push on, better protect the lead. Shock, horror, Kilkenny take full advantage, and dominate while ye get a rake of wides.

But if ye want to blame the ref, that's great news.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7Tji_JxrzGqd2tiZENZQThtNWc

O Riain · 09-08-2016 09:15AM

carter10 wrote: »
Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

O Riain wrote: »

For anyone who didn't see the game on the telly. When Moran was going for a goal the ball actually game off a Kilkenny man and but was signalled wide.

Also hogan went over on the ball but Fives was incorrectly penalised for picking the ball off the ground when he didn't.

Small things but when ya have a tight game drawn like that against KK then it's a bit sickening. That's not to mention the hawk-eye score showing the ball mostly on the inside of the post when it had already been given as a point by the umpire.

That's a 3 point swing right there.

Hogan was shouldered in the chest, should have been a free in. Hawkeye was correct, can't understand people complaining that they didn't get a point for a wide. It would be more in Waterford fans way to be asking why they're team referred to negative, defeatist bull**** tactics at the end of the game instead of pushing on and sealing a deserved victory. And maybe asking what was wrong mentally with the team to have so many shocking wides in the last ten minutes. They reverted to type, blaming refs and Hawkeye (blaming Hawkeye for being correct, no less!) is pathetic.

I said yesterday I wished ye the best and if Kilkenny lost hopefully we wouldn't be on making stupid excuses. I also said ye could win if ye played good attacking hurling. I think I was right on that count. To be fair, on this thread almost everyone is accepting that the match was lost by Waterford (definitely Kilkenny were let off the hook today, ye had us bet no question) on the line and in the head. All I can say is I'd love if your players went away blaming the ref, playing the victim. Then they wouldn't have to bother looking at themselves and their heads would be completely out of it for the next day.

I doubt that will be the case though. Ye are right to be proud of your players today, they were immense, Gleeson gave a lesson today. They showed they are as good a team of proper hurlers as good as any in the country when they're let hurl. No reason that they can't have the same sheer workrate next week as well. Kilkenny looked heavy and lethargic in comparison, and again no reason for that to change in a week. But your manager is very slow to learn a lesson. What's working? Direct hurling. Great. Well, we're ahead because of it, now I don't have any faith in my lads to push on, better protect the lead. Shock, horror, Kilkenny take full advantage, and dominate while ye get a rake of wides.

But if ye want to blame the ref, that's great news.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7Tji_JxrzGqd2tiZENZQThtNWc

We woz robbed by the ref! - Richie Power

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