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Hostage situation in French church

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Zxclnic


    Bambi wrote: »
    There's numerous references to the americans using these variations. I suppose the thing is..if it puts doubt in the mind of jimmy suicider about his eternal reward then he is less likely to be offering himself up, regardless of what any imam says

    What if it hardens the resolve of Jimmy Suicider, is that a risk worth taking?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Zxclnic


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    Irish Secondary schools teach all world religions. It's a basic theology and sociology course.

    I'm guessing the poster was referring to primary schools.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    [/B]

    Irish Secondary schools teach all world religions. It's a basic theology and sociology course.

    Way too late. It should be taught to kids from the first year in primary. Most urban primary schools now have kids from many religions and none.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭jacksie66


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    Let us never forget that the parasitic bastards of the media will milk any tragedy or other event to sell their airtime or their papers and advertising!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    Sky News at its finest..

    What not to do if you have any sense of professional ethics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    There must be some funeral rites or something , that would to the mind of a jihadist. interrupt ascension to paradise. It's natural to be squeamish about it but you have to remember who you're dealing with and what you want to deter them from doing. Someone mentioned cremation .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    Bambi wrote: »
    There's numerous references to the americans using these variations. I suppose the thing is..if it puts doubt in the mind of jimmy suicider about his eternal reward then he is less likely to be offering himself up, regardless of what any imam says

    Americans dumped bin ladens body in the sea, where its was probably eaten by sharks and scavengers of the ocean.

    Judging by the noticeable drop in suicide bombers since then, I have full confidence that your pig blood theory will work wonders to bring a screeching halt to attacks on the west.

    Terrorist suicide bombers who blow themselves up don't give a flying f*ck what happens to their bodies, post death, as another poster pointed out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    No to religion in schools .Unless it's taught in history class !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No to religion in schools .Unless it's taught in history class !

    Tell that to our school's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    No to religion in schools .Unless it's taught in history class !

    I think it's very important that kids have an understanding about all the major faiths. Religion shapes so much of the world we inhabit and by the looks of things now it's not going anywhere anytime soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    I think it's very important that kids have an understanding about all the major faiths. Religion shapes so much of the world we inhabit and by the looks of things now it's not going anywhere anytime soon.[/

    OK. My view is that those who practice already know , those who don't , only need to understand that some people do. They can see that in the world around them and learn more on their own time. As far as I know they don't teach science in primary . I'd prefer if they taught that instead of more religion . Religion needs to be less of a presence in public life, not more , especially for non believers. Believers don't need lessons .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Americans dumped bin ladens body in the sea, where its was probably eaten by sharks and scavengers of the ocean.

    Judging by the noticeable drop in suicide bombers since then, I have full confidence that your pig blood theory will work wonders to bring a screeching halt to attacks on the west.

    Terrorist suicide bombers who blow themselves up don't give a flying f*ck what happens to their bodies, post death, as another poster pointed out.

    All that tells us is that jihadists don't care if they are thrown into the sea. They do have certain beliefs around ascension to paradise . They apparently can't do it if a woman kills them. I just read about the Russians burying jihadist bombers in pig skin. I don't know if it was a widespread practice , but Russia does still suffer from suicide bombings .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    All that tells us is that jihadists don't care if they are thrown into the sea. They do have certain beliefs around ascension to paradise . They apparently can't do itif a woman kills them. I just read about the Russians burying jihadist bombers in pig skin. I don't know if it was a widespread practice , but Russia does still suffer from suicide bombings .



    If the woman killer story is true and that is all it took to defeat them on the battle field then all the armies who are fighting them would have been made purely of women and ISIS would have been history. Their fighters would've been sh1t scared of going on to the battle field out of fear that they will be killed by a woman.
    If the pig blood story is true then Hollande would've gotten every imam in France to preach this fatwa and there would be no more suicide terrorists.
    These are quite likely urban myths.
    Check snopes.com maybe they have busted it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If the woman killer story is true and that is all it took to defeat them on the battle field then all the armies who are fighting them would have been made purely of women and ISIS would have been history. Their fighters would've been sh1t scared of going on to the battle field out of fear that they will be killed by a woman.

    The most feared units fighting Isis is the Kurdish womens brigades ,
    Isis fighters are terrified of the idea getting killed by them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    Gatling wrote: »
    The most feared units fighting Isis is the Kurdish womens brigades ,
    Isis fighters are terrified of the idea getting killed by them

    Just stating something doesn't make it true.
    Looks like you ignored my previous post.

    I'll post it again.
    If the woman killer story is true and that is all it took to defeat them on the battle field then all the armies who are fighting them would have been made purely of women and ISIS would have been history. Their fighters would've been sh1t scared of going on to the battle field out of fear that they will be killed by a woman.

    This:
    In a week when its barbaric actions saw it top news agendas across the world, it was claimed that the Islamic State was actually scared.

    Of women.

    The Wall Street journal reported that guerrillas linked to the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) had joined other Kurdish fighters, specifically the Peshmerga, in trying to retake Mosul Dam from Isis.

    Among the PKK fighters are hundreds of women, one of whom told the WSJ:

    The jihadists don't like fighting women, because if they're killed by a female, they think they won't go to heaven.

    The claim is, however, almost certainly not true. Isis fighters, in part reflecting the nature of modern warfare, are told they will be martyred if they die in battle, regardless of who killed them.

    "They believe whoever kills them - man or woman - it doesn't matter, [they will still go to heaven]," Isis expert Shiraz Maher, senior fellow at ICSR, King's College London, told i100.

    http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/do-isis-militants-really-hate-fighting-female-soldiers--eyuMLkyU7e


    It will be great for the West to defeat ISIS but this requires intelligent means and not stupidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    If the woman killer story is true and that is all it took to defeat them on the battle field then all the armies who are fighting them would have been made purely of women and ISIS would have been history. Their fighters would've been sh1t scared of going on to the battle field out of fear that they will be killed by a woman.
    If the pig blood story is true then Hollande would've gotten every imam in France to preach this fatwa and there would be no more suicide terrorists.
    These are quite likely urban myths.
    Check snopes.com maybe they have busted it.

    Besides, how do people expect muslims to view the desecration of the dead?

    Can you imagine the reaction of ordinary americans if their soilders bodies were horribly desecrated? I'm sure even some people who were against the intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan might change their minds. At the very least they'd lose sympathy for the people who are doing it. And Imahine how it would affect the american soilders.

    Abusing dead bodies just seems like overkill (no pun intended) to most people. Rather than a tactic to prevent attacks it seems like taking vengeance on the dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Just stating something doesn't make it true.

    No I stated a fact


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    Gatling wrote: »
    No I stated a fact

    :D:D:D:D:D

    Okay seriously.
    Can you back up this fact, with evidence. I am sure you'l have no trouble quoting the relevant Koran verses.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    :D:D:D:D:D

    Okay seriously.
    Can you back up this fact, with evidence. I am sure you'l have no trouble quoting the relevant Koran verses.

    I can't talk on behalf of ISIS fighters, but what he mentioned definitely seems to be a motivation for female peshmerga fighters: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/johanna-higgs/isis-iraqi-kurdistan_b_10555816.html

    " Fariba, one of the fighters from a village near Erbil settled into one of the chairs with her weapon casually leaned up against her and explained why she decided to join the Peshmerger, ‘Isis says that when a man kills him he goes to heaven, when a woman kills him he will go to hell. I have come here to kill Isis.’ "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Just stating something doesn't make it true.
    Looks like you ignored my previous post.

    I'll post it again.

    This:

    It will be great for the West to defeat ISIS but this requires intelligent means and not stupidity.

    There is kinda some truth to women fighting ISIS.
    I don't know about the not going to heaven mullarkey, but they don't like fighting women and the Peshmerga have a fair amount of women (over 500 at least) in the field.

    Think about it if these great ISIs fighters get repelled or beaten by a bunch of women how does that play to their attitudes to women as somehow being inferior and only fit for marrying off after being captured from their men folk.

    Having their asses handed to them by a bunch of women would the equivalent of a Waffen SS unit having their asses handed to them by a bunch of African American and Jewish soldiers.
    Their belief in their superiority takes a dint and anything that does that is good to me.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Walter H Price


    Grayson wrote: »
    Besides, how do people expect muslims to view the desecration of the dead?

    Can you imagine the reaction of ordinary americans if their soilders bodies were horribly desecrated? I'm sure even some people who were against the intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan might change their minds. At the very least they'd lose sympathy for the people who are doing it. And Imahine how it would affect the american soilders.

    Abusing dead bodies just seems like overkill (no pun intended) to most people. Rather than a tactic to prevent attacks it seems like taking vengeance on the dead.

    Think the bigger issue here is that the bodies of Suicide bombers are often obliterated , hard to desecrate a body that's already been blown up to be fair.

    Maybe with the ones that are shot committing terrorist acts or arrested , they should be executed by women and whatever done to their bodies fed to pigs etc whatever ... just to show there is no glory no heaven no 72 virgins, if you kill westerners in our country's your pig poo Mohammed end of story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    Bob24 wrote: »
    I can't talk on behalf of ISIS fighters, but what he mentioned definitely seems to be a motivation for female peshmerga fighters: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/johanna-higgs/isis-iraqi-kurdistan_b_10555816.html

    " Fariba, one of the fighters from a village near Erbil settled into one of the chairs with her weapon casually leaned up against her and explained why she decided to join the Peshmerger, ‘Isis says that when a man kills him he goes to heaven, when a woman kills him he will go to hell. I have come here to kill Isis.’ "

    Exactly.

    Most of the posters who believe that ISIS fear women also believe that vampires fear garlic.

    Shiraz Maher whom I linked to earlier in the independent article is an ISIS analyst and he has refuted that. Vox also has a list of ISIS myths which includes the "ISIS fears women" story.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Daesh is just an Arabic name for ISIS. It's not some sort of kryptonite catchphrase, or an insult to the group. It's their name.
    There was a push some time ago to get everyone to use 'Daesh' as the official name, rather than 'Islamic State', because 'Islamic State' contains the word Islam, and certain people were afraid it would lead to Islam having some negative connotations :rolleyes:

    It's not some kind of government conspiracy or a false flag op, it's just some 2nd gen Arabs using Arabic - further proof that they are disenfranchised and see themselves as Muslims/Arabs first, French last.


    Nice piece from Off Guardian:

    https://off-guardian.org/2016/07/27/dont-mention-gladio/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Grayson wrote: »
    Besides, how do people expect muslims to view the desecration of the dead?

    .

    I'm not psychic but I imagine mixed reactions from all quarters . Do you think Muslims would feel particularly offended on behalf of the dead jihadist because they share a religion ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Grayson wrote: »
    Besides, how do people expect muslims to view the desecration of the dead?

    Can you imagine the reaction of ordinary americans if their soilders bodies were horribly desecrated?

    Abusing dead bodies just seems like overkill

    Horribly desecrated or abused is your perception. Applying a substance or performing a particular rite would not come under those heading . I do understand that it goes against the grain to talk about treating dead people with anything other than respect . Remember why it's being discussed in the first place .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Horribly desecrated or abused is your perception. Applying a substance or performing a particular rite would not come under those heading . I do understand that it goes against the grain to talk about treating dead people with anything other than respect . Remember why it's being discussed in the first place .

    denying them a proper burial does not come under desecration? Are people still seriously discussing this repulsive idea as if it has some merit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    What do they do with the bodies of those who they kill? For eg I hardly think they respect the death rites of their Christian victims in the middle east.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    What do they do with the bodies of those who they kill? For eg I hardly think they respect the death rites of their Christian victims in the middle east.

    is that a justification? should we start indiscriminately killing their civilians? after all, they kill ours.


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