Junior Rugby [Social Rugby] Season 2016/2017

The Lost Sheep · 21-07-2016 5:16pm #1

General discussion thread for all Junior Rugby - be it J1 senior rugby or social level J4/J5/J6 etc!
Pre season is about to begin! If you have any questions about junior rugby or are thinking of joining a local club, here's a good place to get info.

http://oldwesley.ie/junior-festival-returns-after-10-years/
Old Wesley are running, on September 10th, a Festival which will consist of a series of 20 minute matches involving 8 teams at Metro
Division 4 level and below. Old Wesley will field 2 teams and there will be 6 other invited clubs.

Divisions 1-4 are set with fixtures decided. Remaining divisions especially the very social divisions 9/10/11 will be decided later next month as teams know numbers etc

Division 1: Old Wesley 2, UCD 2, Old Belvedere 2, Terenure 2, Lansdowne 2
Clontarf 2, St Marys 2, Blackrock College 2

Division 2: Clontarf 3, St Marys 3, MU Barnhall 2, Naas 2, Lansdowne 3, Seapoint 2, Greystones 2, Dublin University 2

Division 3: Old Belvedere 3, Wanderers 2, Terenure 3, Stillorgan 1, Tullamore 2, Bective Rangers 2, Old Wesley 3, Navan 2

Division 4: Bective Rangers 3, Skerries 2, St Marys 4, Lansdowne 4, UCD 3, Rathdrum 1, Boyne 2, Blackrock College 3

Division 5: Wanderers 3, Naas 3, Terenure 4, Greystones 3, MU Barnhall 3, Old Wesley 4, CYM 1, Clontarf 4

phog · 21-07-2016 6:24pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

General discussion thread for all Junior Rugby - be it J1 senior rugby or social level J4/J5/J6 etc!
Pre season is about to begin! If you have any questions about junior rugby or are thinking of joining a local club, here's a good place to get info.

Such a pity you hadn't the same thoughts on the B&I Cup thread.

The Lost Sheep · 21-07-2016 9:22pm

Some clubs beginning to list pre season start dates
Bective Rangers: Wednesday 3rd August 2016 7pm in Donnybrook...

stephen_n · 22-07-2016 1:08pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

General discussion thread for all Junior Rugby - be it J1 senior rugby or social level J4/J5/J6 etc!
Pre season is about to begin! If you have any questions about junior rugby or are thinking of joining a local club, here's a good place to get info.

http://oldwesley.ie/junior-festival-returns-after-10-years/
Old Wesley are running, on September 10th, a Festival which will
consist of a series of 20 minute matches involving 8 teams at Metro
Division 4 level and below. Old Wesley will field 2 teams and there will
be 6 other invited clubs.

Divisions 1-4 are set with fixtures decided. Remaining divisions especially the very social divisions 9/10/11 will be decided later next month as teams know numbers etc

Division 1: Old Wesley 2, UCD 2, Old Belvedere 2, Terenure 2, Lansdowne 2
Clontarf 2, St Marys 2, Blackrock College 2

Division 2: Clontarf 3, St Marys 3, MU Barnhall 2, Naas 2, Lansdowne 3, Seapoint 2, Greystones 2, Dublin University 2

Division 3: Old Belvedere 3, Wanderers 2, Terenure 3, Stillorgan 1, Tullamore 2, Bective Rangers 2, Old Wesley 3, Navan 2

Division 4: Bective Rangers 3, Skerries 2, St Marys 4, Lansdowne 4, UCD 3, Rathdrum 1, Boyne 2, Blackrock College 3

Division 5: Wanderers 3, Naas 3, Terenure 4, Greystones 3, MU Barnhall 3, Old Wesley 4, CYM 1, Clontarf 4

Naas in Division 5 has clusterf**k written all over it with Friday night games.

The Lost Sheep · 22-07-2016 1:29pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Naas in Division 5 has clusterf**k written all over it with Friday night games.

Surely clubs can change it. Some fixtures in that league are Sundays so its not like they'd be only ones with Sunday games if they moved them.
Up to clubs to talk to Dermot O Mahoney etc in the branch.

stephen_n · 22-07-2016 1:50pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Surely clubs can change it. Some fixtures in that league are Sundays so its not like they'd be only ones with Sunday games if they moved them.
Up to clubs to talk to Dermot O Mahoney etc in the branch.

It's predominantly been a Friday night league for the last two years anyway. Mind you Naas may not have floodlights. I see Barnhall are in there too, that's another pain in the hoop away game. I know it helps with refs but the Fridays cause us to struggle to field as it is.

Tarf1234 · 22-07-2016 2:31pm

Interesting to see the 3 clubs with historically the strongest Junior teams are in Div 1 and 2 already. I had thought it would take longer but always thought it would happen. I'll be interested to see if the Gick or OB can get up.

The Lost Sheep · 22-07-2016 2:47pm

stephen_n wrote: »

It's predominantly been a Friday night league for the last two years anyway. Mind you Naas may not have floodlights. I see Barnhall are in there too, that's another pain in the hoop away game. I know it helps with refs but the Fridays cause us to struggle to field as it is.

Whats the alternative that's workable?
Naas def have floodlights. I know traffics a concern but it just shows differences in the citys compared to elsewhere you call Naas/Barnhall a pain in the hoop to get to when distance wise theyre not far at all when you look at what most players/clubs have to deal with..

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Interesting to see the 3 clubs with historically the strongest Junior teams are in Div 1 and 2 already. I had thought it would take longer but always thought it would happen. I'll be interested to see if the Gick or OB can get up.

I would doubt any more thirds sides will get up to division 2. Tough difficult.

Would Stillorglin ever look to move to the junior leagues and attempt to go senior or are they happy to just play metro rugby playing j1 there with no possibility to going up to the AIL? Anyone know?

Tarf1234 · 22-07-2016 2:59pm

Ye, I'd imagine it will be stillorgan or Bective more likely Bective.

I think they're probably happy where they are. Tullamore is probably the only trip that is a bit of a trek for them. Leinster league would make things far more difficult in terms or commutes etc.

stephen_n · 23-07-2016 7:38am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Whats the alternative that's workable?
Naas def have floodlights. I know traffics a concern but it just shows differences in the citys compared to elsewhere you call Naas/Barnhall a pain in the hoop to get to when distance wise theyre not far at all when you look at what most players/clubs have to deal with

There probably isn't an alternative, or there doesn't seem to be. I assume the issue is getting enough referees. Since we used to manage to play all games from firsts to J7's without having Friday night games. The branch do their best, I'm not complaining about that end of things, just looking at it and going meh!

ArmchairQB · 23-07-2016 11:32am

Always interesting to see clubs ambitions at junior level, some clubs and no coincidence that they are also strong senior clubs, push to play in top league possible. Others only stay in divisions they think they can win and don't want to get to a higher level. Senior clubs in divisions 1a & 1b with 2nd & 3rd teams in Division 4 & below tend to favour on field results rather than improving quality of players. Senior clubs should be encouraging their teams to play in the highest leagues possible.

The Lost Sheep · 23-07-2016 4:29pm

stephen_n wrote: »

There probably isn't an alternative, or there doesn't seem to be. I assume the issue is getting enough referees. Since we used to manage to play all games from firsts to J7's without having Friday night games. The branch do their best, I'm not complaining about that end of things, just looking at it and going meh!

The game has completely changed in every way from the days when clubs could field all teams like the way you describe. Unfortunately those days are lost and wont come back.

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Always interesting to see clubs ambitions at junior level, some clubs and no coincidence that they are also strong senior clubs, push to play in top league possible. Others only stay in divisions they think they can win and don't want to get to a higher level. Senior clubs in divisions 1a & 1b with 2nd & 3rd teams in Division 4 & below tend to favour on field results rather than improving quality of players. Senior clubs should be encouraging their teams to play in the highest leagues possible.

Any clubs in particular stand out?
There is very few 1A/B sides with 3rds below division 4, I think, and the 2 I think that do have their 3rds below division 4 are Naas and DUFC. Of course clubs should be encouraging their teams to play at highest level possible. But only division 1 sides who are quite different to rest of the Leinster sides. 1 is a university side and even with it being an open club, DUFC will not have same player numbers etc as other clubs and then Naas are only leinster division 1 side from outside of Dublin

ArmchairQB · 23-07-2016 4:58pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The game has completely changed in every way from the days when clubs could field all teams like the way you describe. Unfortunately those days are lost and wont come back.

Any clubs in particular stand out?
There is very few 1A/B sides with 3rds below division 4, I think, and the 2 I think that do have their 3rds below division 4 are Naas and DUFC. Of course clubs should be encouraging their teams to play at highest level possible. But only division 1 sides who are quite different to rest of the Leinster sides. 1 is a university side and even with it being an open club, DUFC will not have same player numbers etc as other clubs and then Naas are only leinster division 1 side from outside of Dublin

Looking at it from a neutral point of view with the aim of improving the standard of player and rugby in each club I would have thought that Wanderers, Tullamore & Navan 2nd teams should all be playing at least Division 2 along with Skerries 2nd team. Rathdrum & Boyne playing Division 3 and Naas 3rd team playing at least Division 4 even 3.

The Lost Sheep · 23-07-2016 5:12pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Looking at it from a neutral point of view with the aim of improving the standard of player and rugby in each club I would have thought that Wanderers, Tullamore & Navan 2nd teams should all be playing at least Division 2 along with Skerries 2nd team. Rathdrum & Boyne playing Division 3 and Naas 3rd team playing at least Division 4 even 3.

Yes but the leagues were changed to help this and let teams find their own level. These sides aren't good enough to win promotion to be division 2 or 3. Navan 2nds won 1 game in division 3 last season for example.
All clubs want to progress but that doesn't mean they are good enough.
Tullamore simply wouldn't have depth to have a strong 2nds playing division 2. Theyre a mid to high division 3 side and that's all

Risteard · 24-07-2016 8:48am

What's the situation say if Clontarf 3rds won division 2, I assume they're restricted from going up as they would be in the same division as seconds. In that instance would anyone go up?

The Lost Sheep · 24-07-2016 11:28am

Risteard wrote: »

What's the situation say if Clontarf 3rds won division 2, I assume they're restricted from going up as they would be in the same division as seconds. In that instance would anyone go up?

2nd place gets promoted and if second placed club is also in the higher division then no team is promoted.

LeinsterDub · 25-07-2016 9:41am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Would Stillorglin ever look to move to the junior leagues and attempt to go senior or are they happy to just play metro rugby playing j1 there with no possibility to going up to the AIL? Anyone know?

I'd imagine they couldn't afford to go AIL

The Lost Sheep · 25-07-2016 10:26am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I'd imagine they couldn't afford to go AIL

There's a lot like that but they still play in the qualifying leagues.

Tarf1234 · 25-07-2016 10:31am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I'd imagine they couldn't afford to go AIL

There's a lot like that but they still play in the qualifying leagues.

I would have thought that the qualifying league with great distances to travel and expectations would lead to high costs than just a metro team.

rugbyman80 · 26-07-2016 12:37am

Lads....Can we get a grip. Stillorgan would be a million miles away from getting into the AIL. They wouldnt be anywhere near the teams in division 1A of the Leinster League. A lower level 1B or the top of 2A would be there standard.

rugbyman80 · 26-07-2016 12:38am

Lads....Can we get a grip. Stillorgan would be a million miles away from getting into the AIL. They wouldnt be anywhere near the teams in division 1A of the Leinster League. A lower level 1B or the top of 2A would be their standard.

Tarf1234 · 26-07-2016 8:53am

rugbyman80 wrote: »

Lads....Can we get a grip. Stillorgan would be a million miles away from getting into the AIL. They wouldnt be anywhere near the teams in division 1A of the Leinster League. A lower level 1B or the top of 2A would be their standard.

In fairness I don't think anyone was suggesting they are AIL standard. The question was would they not go into the Leinster League so they would be on that pathway.

The Lost Sheep · 30-07-2016 11:32am

rugbyman80 wrote: »

Lads....Can we get a grip. Stillorgan would be a million miles away from getting into the AIL. They wouldnt be anywhere near the teams in division 1A of the Leinster League. A lower level 1B or the top of 2A would be their standard.

I never said they were close to getting to the AIL just wondered why they are not in the pathway to becoming an AIL club.

The Lost Sheep · 11-08-2016 5:21pm

St Marys back next week. According to their facebook page

All teams train twice a week on Monday's and Wednesday's at 7:30pm. J2/J3 run by Aaron Hudson and J4/J5 by Michael O'Flaherty. Matches for all teams from Friday to Sunday.

Full training resumes on Monday 15th August at 7:30pm. Players welcome night in the club on Saturday 20th August.

None of the more social divisions with fixtures yet. Will be few more weeks for them..

gaius c · 26-08-2016 9:37am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I never said they were close to getting to the AIL just wondered why they are not in the pathway to becoming an AIL club.

There's no reason for them to be. They are happy to play their games locally against other metro teams.
There's other teams in metro who don't field in the LL too.

It would be a serious pain in the hoop if teams from Kildare, Meath, Wicklow and Wexford had to travel into Stillorgan every weekend. It's a ballache to get to from outside Dublin.

The Lost Sheep · 27-08-2016 7:31pm

gaius c wrote: »

There's no reason for them to be. They are happy to play their games locally against other metro teams.
There's other teams in metro who don't field in the LL too.

It would be a serious pain in the hoop if teams from Kildare, Meath, Wicklow and Wexford had to travel into Stillorgan every weekend. It's a ballache to get to from outside Dublin.

There has been many other clubs in the city whove played the qualifying leagues before and just querying why Stillorglin don't.

gaius c · 27-08-2016 8:15pm

They don't want to.

drzac · 05-09-2016 3:10pm

Hi,
Clontarf Div 9 & 11 squad looking for a match this saturday 10th Sept.
Any takers?
thanks

The Lost Sheep · 07-09-2016 3:47pm

Division 6 up now
Guinness 1, Wanderers 4, Trinity 3, Tullamore 3, St Marys 5, Coolmine 3, Old Belvedere 4, MU Barnhall 4

Guy:Incognito · 07-09-2016 5:32pm

Div 7 is out too. We got our fixtures yesterday .

The Lost Sheep · 09-09-2016 11:08am

Division 6
Guinness 1, Wanderers 4, Trinity 3, Tullamore 3, St Marys 5, Coolmine 3, Old Belvedere 4, MU Barnhall 4

division 7
Tallaght 1, UCD 4, Terenure 5, Seapoint 3, Navan 3, Blackrock 4, Old Belvedere 5, DLSP 3

division 9
Parkmore 1, Trinity 4, Old Wesley 5, BGF Ravens 1, Coolmine, Clontarf 5, Bective Rangers 4, A.I.B 1

division 10
Suttonians 3, Stillorgan 2, Old Belvedere 6, MU Barnhall 5, DLSP 4, Terenure 6, Monkstown 3, Malahide

GavMan · 09-09-2016 1:17pm

I noticed on the LR site Div 8 is missing. Has it not been confirmed yet?

blackwhite · 09-09-2016 2:16pm

GavMan wrote: »

I noticed on the LR site Div 8 is missing. Has it not been confirmed yet?

From what I've heard there's no Div 8 this year - the teams that wanted to play in it have been reassigned

gaius c · 13-09-2016 9:30am

It's been suspended. If it behaves better, it will be allowed back next year.

For a variety of reasons there has been a consolidation of numbers in the League and as a result there is one Division less this season. Some of the reasons include a knock on effect from Malahide and Dundalk 2nd XV’s moving out of Division 4 to play in the 2nds League Division 1A in parallel with their 1st XV’s, which they had to do as per the regulations, Kilkenny, Gorey and Wexford Wanderers, who competed in Division 9 & 10 a year ago have been moved into a regional league while one or two teams have also dropped out due to natural wastage.

The nett effect is that Division 8 is being suspended for this season.

It was felt that Divisions 10 & 11, which are inherently associated with being Development Leagues, should maintain their titles. When the juggling of teams was complete Division 8 was the league from where most teams had moved.

A number of clubs made submissions to move teams down the ranks as they had weakened significantly, and where possible that was accommodated. To counteract the departing teams four new teams have entered. There are 8 teams in all Divisions this season with the exception of Division 11 where there are 7 teams.

In total there are 79 teams spread across the ten Divisions this season as against 82 that completed the 2015-16 season.

Risteard · 13-09-2016 9:37am

gaius c wrote: »

It's been suspended. If it behaves better, it will be allowed back next year.

What was the issue last year?

blackwhite · 13-09-2016 9:56am

Risteard wrote: »

What was the issue last year?

He's making a joke.

The problem is there aren't enough teams this year. To keep the development label on Div 10 & 11 they decided to scrap 8 this year to reduce the number of divisions

Risteard · 13-09-2016 10:32am

Ha get it now.

I see Lansdowne won the Old Wesley tournament.

gaius c · 13-09-2016 1:39pm

Risteard wrote: »

What was the issue last year?

It boxed the head off division 7. Allegations of eye gouging as well.

The Lost Sheep · 14-09-2016 7:02pm

Division 11 now up as well.
St Marys 6, Normans 1, Stillorgan 3, Bective Rangers 5, Clontarf 6, Emerald Warriors 1, Clondalkin 3

gaius c · 19-09-2016 4:15pm

Div 10 could be messy this year. Suttonians have withdrawn from LL 2nds 1A and their metro 10 team will be their official seconds team!!!

stephen_n · 19-09-2016 5:34pm

Played a friendly last Saturday, first league match next Friday and we are off again.

shoutman · 19-09-2016 5:41pm

gaius c wrote: »

Div 10 could be messy this year. Suttonians have withdrawn from LL 2nds 1A and their metro 10 team will be their official seconds team!!!

Wow! That's fairly shocking to hear, never like to see a club struggling like Suttonians are, even if they are the local rivals!

I see BFG Ravens (formerly Unidare) have withdrawn from Divison 9 also.

gaius c · 19-09-2016 8:50pm

shoutman wrote: »

Wow! That's fairly shocking to hear, never like to see a club struggling like Suttonians are, even if they are the local rivals!

I see BFG Ravens (formerly Unidare) have withdrawn from Divison 9 also.

Not quite. They've swapped with Stillorgan.

RE Suttonians, the branch are obviously taking a liberal view of the ruling that all LL seconds teams should play in LL seconds and not metro. It's why Malahide and Dundalk had to move from metro.

delta_bravo · 19-09-2016 9:05pm

Are the full fixtures on the leinster site yet I can't find them

The Lost Sheep · 19-09-2016 9:09pm

delta_bravo wrote: »

Are the full fixtures on the leinster site yet I can't find them

All are there. Fixtures/results => latest results => club/school fixtures in drop down then metro league and pick the divisions you want the fixtures for

The Lost Sheep · 23-09-2016 4:04pm

Leagues starting tonight...

Risteard · 23-09-2016 4:58pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Leagues starting tonight...

Some fixtures last week no?

The Lost Sheep · 23-09-2016 7:44pm

Risteard wrote: »

Some fixtures last week no?

Meant the more social divisions. Only the j1, divisions 1-3, started last week...

stephen_n · 26-09-2016 2:03pm

Wesley beat Greystones 15-13 in Div 5, a game of two halves with the wind. Greystones were 13-0 at halftime. Good match.

gaius c · 27-09-2016 9:06am

Marys division 4 team appears to be gone and the division reduced to 7 teams. Not surprising looking at their results the last two years.

GavMan · 27-09-2016 1:27pm

gaius c wrote: »

Marys division 4 team appears to be gone and the division reduced to 7 teams. Not surprising looking at their results the last two years.

Belvo also pulled out of Div 7. Monkstown conceded in Div10. Not a good sign to concede in week1.

Anyone know why the DSLP Nure Div7 game was called off?

Junior Rugby [Social Rugby] Season 2016/2017

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